Hal 9000

Amen, brother. 😃

Yeah, I will not be altering his death in my edit, though I appreciate the view that he should have lived.

If someone finds a convincing, natural way to pull it off, which I’m not convinced is really possible, maybe it could be included in the Rey Nobody version. But would we have to assume he left Exegol separate from Rey, avoided the resistance celebration and met up with her on Tatooine later?

Of it he is at the celebration are we to assume everyone was like “hey even Supreme Leader Kylo Ren is here, woo!”?

Thanks, I think it looks pretty good. I gave it a bluish green hue to blend in with the surrounding scene, but I’ll see how it looks once I apply skenera’s LUT to the whole film which I can’t do until after exporting from FCP7. (Yes, still using that…)

I should really stop by the off topic section more often. I just haven’t hardly done so since it was split into three.

I was raised Baptist and sort of built up a fortress of self-imposed fundamentalism as a youngster. Young earth creation, literalism, etc. But for me I was academic about it, like down into the nuts and bolts. I thought about it, a lot. And diligently worked to work out the kinks, fill in the holes, fortifying it. For me the texts of scripture and my supposed system derived from them was the base and other areas of academia, like science, were slave to it. Bend the presuppositions, and you have a warped but functional perspective, unassailable against any more facts.

After a while it reached a tipping point of no return, though it was still a long process of defeat that had to play out. For me it started when I re-investigated my young earth views with a decidedly critical eye. I set out to re-evaluate it under the lens of scripture, but got more than I bargained for. It became clear that the only way to be consistent is to be a flat-earther, which is a bridge way too far. Another monkey wrench was how to regard Neanderthals. In a young earth view, they’re just people, sons of Adam, and we’re a strong point compared to an old earth (but literal Adam and Eve) view.

This began a pursuit for answers that slowly, painfully unraveled everything. My fortress was based in scripture, and my assumptions about it. And those were shown not to be what I’d supposed. There’s no magic, no obviously supernatural predictions that were unambiguously fulfilled, and most prophecy was handled very creatively. The Bible stopped behaving itself and left me with no special truths to cling to about the deepest parts of existence.

For me the final piece holding back a collapse was one tell-all question, which had always been my hill to die on no matter what: if one had a time machine and a video camera, what would be committed to videotape if it were pointed at Jesus’ grave the night before Easter. Though the means of verifying an objective answer are obviously impossible, there must be a correct answer in principle. Even if allllll the other instances of correspondence between my understanding of the Bible’s description of history and reality as learned by other means breaks down, even if the Exodus was a myth, even if Jesus were a fully human being who was imperfect, this question of the literal resurrection was the absolute final thing to go.

And I just let it go. And I’ve been so much better off for it. I’ve gotten a taste for liberal thought, mostly eastern. But I still return to my Christian ‘mask of God’ and am seeing how it has truth far deeper than the literal. But you have to destroy the literal to get there.

I love the scene between Luke and Yoda in TLJ. I’ve been there.

Two more things:

Burning homestead is the best musical choice for the added ghosts, as heard in most of jonh’s mockups, so that’s what I’m gonna go with.

And, would anyone like to add a subtle double rainbow to the first real shot of the Lars homestead? It was an idea from a while back that just felt right to the group and I supposed could be seen as a way to touch on Leia’s childhood home also, since there is a double rainbow ribbon thing as the ship approaches the city on Alderaan in ROTS.

With moving the lines to the first Palpatine scene, it’s just a little unfortunate that he mouths an ‘L’ sound while saying “me.” I don’t know whether this would be easy, but if someone wanted to digitally close his mouth there’s plenty of room in the shot to have the line conclude before we see his face.

It’s not strictly necessary but, goodness, I guess it’s worth mentioning given what all you’ve been able to muster so far!

Did you pull the shot from the YouTube video itself?

Glad you posted that, I hadn’t known about or remembered that. Yeah, skenera is awesome!

I figure that can be done at the end, but I’d welcome a set of LUTs if any are made.

No, I’m not planning to shift Leia’s death.

Hopefully Ben’s ghost can be usable and good, but of course we’ll see.

And that’s not a bad musical arrangement either.

SilverWook said:

Hal 9000 said:

I loved seeing that in the theater. I called out, “It looks like shit!” 😀

o_O

I meant because they didn’t spruce it up, but left it authentically 1977 CGI.

Hmm, while that would bypass what made the music desirable (the interplay between the Force/Luke’s Theme and Rey’s Theme), I could definitely try that and see how it plays.

And I could try moving up the credits audio, or push back the iris, whichever is easier.

Here’s a test of the ending, with pretty much everything except for a ghost for Ben.

https://vimeo.com/424989868

Unfortunately the music used comes in right on the heel of a bombastic conclusion to the Resistance theme, so it’s a shame it can’t be a bit more teasing and gradual as it comes in like the original scene’s music.

It’s still synced to the original, so it’s be easy to ditch in favor of the original.

That’s an interesting idea to actually have Kylo retrieve the Wayfinder from the Jedi Temple in a fan edit.

I will try to be honest with myself and you all in deciding whether to use it or Mustafar. I like the sound of Mustafar better, so I don’t relish the thought of turning down something awesome…

But, again, if not mine, other edits will certainly be better off for it.

The time is not yet right, but of course!

“My” take came from DominicCobb, FWIW.

Fantastic!

Thanks, I like the change. It helps add just a moment to breathe.

I have to step into a Platonic realm just to view the new movies? That’s just crazy if you ask me. It’s a trope of an abused animal.

Hard to say. I don’t think it’s at all necessary, but if the final product is good and I can pick and choose what to include, culling two or three lines to give them could be fun.

Here’s that audio if you’d like to try it. I’ve included my final mix of the Kylo scene, the original Kylo scene, and the Rey scene the dialogue comes from to begin with.

The two Kylo scene audios are both synced to begin at the same point, though they differ once the change occurs and end at different arbitrary points.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1GOTD7vJB8OvCGaa1X1uXVUesuf6KFfPW

Like with anything, I’d gratefully consider anything, using it only if I really do feel it’s a better way to go.

Usually I try to have audio taken from elsewhere sound as close as possible to what it is there to replace. Adding an effect only to added dialogue is a bold move.

Doesn’t matter if it feels like it was there all along, but the savvy audience member may mistake your effort as a failure to tame audio culled from elsewhere.

This project is great. Not gonna upset LOE for me personally, because I’ve got a lot invested in it, but truly a worthy continuation.

axlanian said:

RogueLeader said:

Wow, those work better than I expected!

It would be cool if we added some voice effect to the line, “We will be one” as if we’re hearing voices of the past Sith collectively speaking through him. Same for when he says, “as all the Sith live in me.” And maybe that could continue once he drains their energy and reforms.

✋ I’d be happy to volunteer for experimenting with this idea

If it can be a dead ringer for the effect in ROTS, that’d be an interesting way to telegraph some significance to it. I guess in important moments, and/or by choice, the collective Sith consciousness can have an augmented voice.

One unfortunate real-world concern I have as someone who has lots of experience trying to have something correspond seamlessly to the source audio, it is slightly risky to add that effect only to dialogue that wasn’t there originally, as you’d be doing about the opposite of what would normally be desirable. Maybe that’s not the important thing to be mindful of, but I can’t help it.

Let me post the stems of the audio as I’ve got it, and the stems of the two scenes as they were. (I had to add the center channel to the left and right channels for the Kylo scene because the two scenes were formatted differently. For most of that scene, Palpatine’s voice is clearer and louder in the left and right channels than the center. (Probably won’t be until tomorrow.)