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We’re gonna see if that line can be made to sound that way without sounding like a YouTube Poop.

EddieDean said:

Suckle at my media teat, hungry friends! Let the milk of edited Star Wars nourish your growing forms!

Movies Remastered said:

Damn, 4 new pages!! Anyone wanna paraphrase what I’ve missed?

That clip from sherlockpotter sounds great.

We all tore our hair out about how the dyad makes little sense and didn’t really decide on anything. Meanwhile, poppasketti posted his version of a clean plate for the puppet show.

JEDIT: Just a random thought. I really appreciate that jonh’s addition of the ghosts gives us some sort of reason why not to expect Palpatine to just return… again. Because the Jedi ghosts took him DOWN with their ghostly powers, tackling him to prevent him slipping away from true death. Or whatever.

Cancel your plans and watch the new clone wars epsssssss

sherlockpotter will solve this or it’ll just remain poop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo4H-u3UVhY&ab_channel=FilmJoy

Hmm, interesting. That quote suggests that they essentially equate Snoke with Palpatine. (And I get that Snoke wasn’t intended to be a meat puppet, but still, I think it’s reasonable for a moviegoing audience to essentially view them as functionally the same given the opening to TROS.)

I think I’m resolved on this now: TFA and TLJ won’t be altered further about this point, but it’d be nifty to augment Kylo’s line to suggest they became a dyad. This (sort of) explains why Palpatine was surprised by this without negating any Snoke mind-bridging or destiny that was already at work prior.

I don’t think adding that to TFA would really do anything but pile on a little more confusion.

Thanks for the discussion, it’s good to get into the details here in this phase.

And sherlockpotter I’ll look forward to what you can do with that line. 😃

Yeah, I agree with that.

Yeah and removing Snoke’s line begs the question of how he could have anticipated it. It’d be trading one problem for another.

Do we all just need a break? lol

I’ll have to think about that some more. In the before times I could go for a walk and let that and other things stew. I feel like a Turing machine all pent up and ready to do but the electricity is intermittent.

In other words, I wish I had more time to think about this project, let alone actually work on it.

Yeah… and even then, it would still seem dumb for Palpatine to just be like, “Oh, a dyad, eh? Didn’t realize that until now but it turns out that’s the most insanely useful thing I could possible have happen here.”

I guess leaving Snoke’s line but implying they’ve become a dyad since then would make it the least amount of dumb possible, but we’ll see what happens! Thanks for recapping that for me.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I’ve already done it (although I’m sure you could do it even better)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikD6D9-OU1g

I wonder if it might be good to swap the shots of Kylo and Rey. Let Kylo react to “a weakness in my apprentice.”

But yeah remind me… why was I talked about of this? Because it seems to solve a problem here. lol omg man these days

In this moment I can’t remember exactly what was said that made me feel like it was good to leave Snoke’s TLJ line alone about bridging their minds.
Man, I am starting to feel like a demented figurehead or maybe a poisoned Theoden figure, lol. I just don’t have the headspace these days to track these things, then get to place where it’s “resolved” and then promptly forget about it.

To me, though, having Kylo tell Rey they have become a dyad makes the most intuitive sense, elegantly solving the problem. However, the TLJ Snoke scene is totally coherent without that one line. He just played on their personal weaknesses and sort of used their Force connection without causing it. I guess you could wonder how he knew to count on it or whatever, but man… idk

“She’s just beginning to test her powers. The longer she [I forgot] the more dangerous she becomes.”

No, I’m not sure of that.

I don’t want to remove the dyad, but I’d prefer to change the line to “we’ve become a dyad” if it can sound seamless. Which I doubt. So if not it’ll just be left as is.

Wow, poppasketti, that looks amazing!

Sherlockpotter, your mock-up of that line isn’t too bad, but I don’t think we’ve got the raw material for stitching it together. It’s all right, though.

And to answer the question posed while I was typing, I don’t think that added line is a problem given the mask. I don’t think I’d ever have noticed anything if it wasn’t in the spotlight as an added line. I love that poppasketti augmented it with consonants from real Kylo dialogue.

Just thinking out loud here. The only problem I have with the dyad this is that without any explanation I am left to assume it’s basically what we’ve seen and heard about Kylo Ren and Rey’s connection from the previous two movies.

“There’s been an awakening… the dark side, and the light.”

“Darkness rises, and light to meet it. I warned my young apprentice that as he grew stronger his equal in the light wound rise.”

And especially given that we’re effectively told that for all practical purposes Snoke really does equal Palpatine, it seems baffling that the former is totally unfazed by this but for Palpatine it is an unforeseen (and hugely lucky) surprise.

It’s like “well yeah they’re a dyad. Snoke’s been saying that since the 2014 Thanksgiving TFA teaser trailer.” It’d be different if perhaps he reacted with “wow since dyads are so rare I didn’t know they could do THIS! AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA”

It’s just so silly! Other than that single, dumb moment it’d be easy to fix. Just lop off part of Kylo’s sentence. “My mother was the daughter of Vader, your father was the son of the Emperor. [What Palpatine doesn’t know is] we’re a dyad in the Force, Rey. Two that are one.”

How would it go to just lop off the only other mention of it?
“Stand together, die together!” (Gonna kill these fools) “Ack. The life force of your bond… [A dyad in the Force]. A power like life itself, unseen for generations.”

It’d be a little destructive, but ya wish it could work this way. Now I understand why they employ the story group full time, to spin this stuff to make sense.

Perhaps, if poppasketti feels up to trying it out!

It’s not a huge deal, though.

Yeah, I don’t think changing the dyad line is going to work. Neither instance of Kylo Ren (masked) saying “become” fit the sentence.

I agree with RogueLeader.

To me it would help give a reason (or reason-adjacent concept) why Palpatine seems surprised by something like that. The only thing that would stand out is Kylo saying “What girl?” in TFA but that’s pretty minor and could just be that he sensed her or whatever.

Hard to say if it’ll sound good but I’d be happy to try it out. May not be tonight though if I have to sleep on the couch with the sick widdle boy again.