I don’t plan on altering the ‘noble’ retcon of Rey’s parents. I don’t remember how that shaping up for the Rey Nobody version, but not for the primary release version.
I learned “bathos” today. I also really like “ret(con)trospect” from a few pages back.
Send to me too? Sounds interesting!
Yes, please listen to Eddie about that.
Interesting point though; I guess the three lessons in TLJ (including deleted scene) aren’t the same sort of straightforward lessons that TROS Luke gives.
Is that line, the one about “your coming together” nowhere in the existing novelization?
I don’t mean to shut down discussion but I will not cut the lines about fear. I find them meaningful and not at odds with the story so far. (Not that this should impact our decision making, but I’ve referred to these lines in conversations with people about parts of themselves they ‘exile away’ due to fear of what they might do or unleash.)
I have a hard time imagining the lines cohering in order to actually work in practice, but I like the idea of Luke saying “lesson three” in a gentler voice than in the TLJ deleted scene right before “confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi”.
And I don’t mind the idea of a slightly purple tinged sunrise, but only if it looks good. I’ll see what Nev thinks and does.
Tagging on “your spirit, your heart” after “because you’re a Palpatine” doesn’t work with the footage available. But that’s okay, I still don’t think it would’ve been needed. So we can put that to rest.
Well, DJ turns right around and calls him “big F”.
3PO: You were a spice runner?
Poe: You were a worthless pain in the ass? We could do this all night!
Eh, I’m happy just removing the asinine statement to the audience before it happens that it will be temporary.
You’d have to remove 3PO saying R2 is receiving a message from Master Luke. Unless you remove the first part of his line and add a syllable to read, “He (or this fellow or something) says he is receiving a message from a ‘Master Luke’.”
I really like the DOTF idea of having R2, who famously dodged a memory wipe in Ep3, manually recounting their history to him. But with what we have to work with, I don’t want to remove him getting them restored.
And yeah, I guess the Ochi ship thing is as silly as it sounds. I guess in the flashbacks it looks like Rey’s parents are in a hurry, looking over their shoulders and having to say goodbye quickly. Not just because they’re being directed by JJ Abrams, but I guess because Ochi was about to catch up with them.
It’s dumb, sure, but let’s not worry about this particular point for Ascendant. It’s not a plot hole, it’s just kinda-dumb thing # 61.
Can’t wait to see it!
Just watched Maul’s Return. As dumb as it is to conjure up Maul from the dead, it was pretty engaging. I guess that snake was a dumbass though when a guy who pretty plausibly claims to be Maul’s brother shows up. He still tries to feed him to Maul (same species) and is surprised to find him still alive. He deserved to be killed.
^ Lol, my thoughts exactly, Poppasketti! Snooker is a talented artist. I hope there’s not a lot of redundant work being done with it though. I know poppasketti and MR both spent many hours on background plates independently, and now two people saying they’ll work on puppets. From a sheer end-result POV it’s great but I don’t want to see people spend hours on something needlessly. That said, it’s exciting to see what will come of the puppet work!
Sherlock, I still think the purple should be made much more subtle, perhaps only along the edge of the sky or something. Idk; I trust what you and Nev arrive at that is met with consensus approval.
Rey calling the saber the “family saber” would be welcome without reservation. The “birth of her son” thing also, as that is less of a tip-off about the end of the film and makes good sense. I don’t want to change the “fear” lines. Luke was afraid indeed in TLJ.
“It didn’t scare me enough then. It does now.”
Ochi’s gosh-dang ship… Since I have a few minutes let me do a dive and see what I can decipher from canon because that really doesn’t make a lot of sense when you think about it. If it turns out to be a good idea to change the ship’s appearance in TFA, I don’t doubt we can do that pretty effectively. But let me see about it first.
Yoda’s poop is green.
And then that guy sacrificed his life to get us out of a jam and no one gave a shit. Continued to badmouth and be annoyed at him even after that.
Even if it were executed perfectly, I agree that fear is better for the scene and the film than shame.
I can only imagine asking a vulnerable counselee “what are you most ashamed of?” Watching the clip, I braced myself what sort of awkward shit Rey was going to answer with. “Well, this one time when I was 13 and totally alone with myself like always…”
Also, Nev, you’re the man. I think splitting the difference and darkening Luke some but not as much will be the ticket. Going from early morning to sunrise is the best choice for the film we have. If there were a more organic, non-further-pace-quickening way to cut away and imply further time passing, that’d be great but this still… shows some time passing and adds thematically.
I don’t know, since you’ll be sort of tracing around Luke would it be fairly easy to de-blue him while you’re at it? I ask because I don’t know.
A bunny rabbit pokes its head out of Mace Windu’s stump.
Yes!
Evening to night to morning may work in novel form, but I would say that in film you kinda have to be careful with that kind of thing or else viewers will be able to tell that time is passing way too quickly.
I think Nev’s latest mockup is much better than the first one. She starts in a dark place both figuratively and literally, and then the sun(s) rises as Luke raises the ship. But that’s just my opinion.
I like the idea of the metaphorical/physical “dark place” and things progressively getting lighter as she comes to terms with reality. It’s like poetry.
I feel bad popping in here with something so terse but I’m doing my best to keep up: endorsed.
Oh, boy, what an R&D effort!
Well, I think it’d be pretty abrupt to cut the last shot of the hut scene. Cutting to another establishing shot of the island might work, but would still feel abrupt. And I think the implication would still be that she went straight to the TIE. It might have to be a weird movie convention thing that the night passes through their conversation.
I know, right? I should be getting ready to start a small business but this is so much more inviting. Lol
Yeah, I don’t see us going that way for this project though.
For the Ach-To scene, could Luke perhaps be de-blued and allowed to be somewhat darkened to blend in better? I’m talking out of my ass though; I don’t know what goes into that work. But with feedback cycling through I know it’ll get perfect.
Sorry, Nev!
After giving it some thought after my debate with JJB… I propose that the ship we see in Rey’s Force vision in TFA (yes, TFA) should be changed so it wouldn’t be Ochi’s ship, also remove Rey’s familiarity with Ochi’s ship which MR describes.
One teeny consideration would be that Finn has a ‘connect the dots’ moment about that. He heard Rey tell him she recognizes it as Ochi’s ship, and then later he tells Poe what he learned from DO about Ochi’s true mission.
But yeah, the Ochi’s ship thing doesn’t make a lot of sense. Did they drop Rey off and immediately get abducted themselves? In TFA it sure looks like she is screaming at the family car. I guess she really just saw her parents put into some random ship and taking off?
A lot to dip into here while taking a short break from work!
I agree, further discussion of broader issues of Rey’s overall arc or parents is best moved to the TROS Redux thread. I don’t like the decisions made on these two points by the filmmakers, but this project doesn’t seek to radically alter them. (And the Rey Nobody version only technically; her arc overall remains the same even without the ‘Rey Palpatine’ angle.)
Y’know, Dominic, those two ideas could potentially be dynamite. “I will earn your family’s saber” would be amazing, and “birth of her son” does have a nice double-meaning irony to it. Huh. If anyone can execute those I’d say they’d be welcome inclusions.
Years of YouTube Poop lead me to avoid sentence-mixing for these things, so I don’t want to overdo it!
I didn’t try it because I think it’s more powerful to imply what sort of things are more important than ‘blood.’ I could do that and just see how it plays. Maybe tonight, if I end up with the chance!