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#1492075
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RELEASED - S04E05 DELIVERANCE

  • RELEASE VERSION.
  • Our fifth episode of season four. (Note, this is a slight shift in ordering - I’ve now shifted this to after Ahsoka’s Fall.)
  • Comprising the original episode The Lawless.
  • Running 24 minutes.
  • DOWNLOAD LINK is in the tracker spreadsheet, PM me for access.
  • Note: It’s recommended that you download this before watching, rather than streaming it directly from Google Drive.

This is the excellent conclusion to the original Mauldalore four parter, only lightly touched.

Noteworthy changes:

  • The episode is titled ‘Deliverance’, because many get what’s coming to them.
  • The crawl just refreshes us on the Mauldalore situation.
  • I removed a brief scene of Palpatine acting suspicious, becuase I don’t like this implication at this point in the chronology.
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#1492020
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The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE] + bonus Quinlan Vos episode by g00b!
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That’s completely awesome to hear Rogue, I love hearing stuff like this. Your Dad sounds great.

I did want to mention that I think I saw a rogue frame during the scene where Dooku hires the bounty hunters. You may have already noticed that and saving it for your next polish export.

Which episode/rough time was this?

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#1492004
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RogueLeader said:
Yes, the additional Qui-Gon bits totally help increase his presence, and it adds to the sense that he is guiding them through this.

Awesome!

Could you just push that line “Trust in the Force” to the shot of Obi-Wan walking with the Daughter? I think I recall that line not being totally necessary for the previous scene, but it benefits Obi-Wan’s lack of questioning.

I could do! I could move it later, so the conversation goes:
Obi-Wan: “I don’t understand.”
Daughter: “When you reach the altar, it will give you what you need.”
Qui-Gon: “Trust in the force.”
This way, it helps justify Obi-Wan essentially being given a useless response by Daughter, though it doesn’t solve the issue at hand.

I think “Take only what you take with you” line does work, but it might be worth playing with alternatives. Maybe cobble together Anakin saying something like, “What’s there?”

I like this, I’ll give that a crack.

Didn’t notice the secret line! Nice touch, I’m glad I came to a similar conclusion.

Oh, another suggestion! I wonder if you could squeeze in Ahsoka saying, “Master!” when Anakin wakes up.

Yes, this is a good shout, I’ll try to do that.

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#1491993
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The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE] + bonus Quinlan Vos episode by g00b!
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CaptainFaraday said:

I’ve caught up on this thread now, and I’m so excited to watch your Mortis episode. It’s my favourite episode of TCW, and it honestly sounds like you’ve significantly improved it! I’ve been holding off watching TCWR until it was all completed and I had time to watch it, but maybe now is the time to start slowly watching through them. I’m pretty excited.

Thanks, Faraday! I really hope you enjoy it. If I remember right, you were one of the strong voices in support of me keeping this episode back when I announced plans to remove it, so thank you very much for your encouragement!

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#1491988
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RogueLeader said:

Eddie, what you’ve done with this episode is brilliant. Watching it I couldn’t even remember what had been cut. It doesn’t necessarily feel like anything is missing.

Thanks so much! I’m really stoked that you enjoyed it. I was really hoping it would work for you guys.

First, some suggestions…

I’ll look into those.

  • I can probably extend the opening out of hyperspace, I’m sure I can find the right audio.
  • Likewise I can probably do a little more with the introduction to Daughter/Obi-Wan going to the altar. I deliberately put Qui-Gon’s “Trust in the force” late in the prior scene as if it’s slightly hanging over this one, but I don’t think that quite lands. I’ll see what I can source.
  • I’ll also think about a clean introduction for Daughter in her conversation with Son.
  • I’m not sure about changing lightsaber colours. I always found “Red=Dark” too on the nose, it’s not part of Star Wars’ original language. The death star laser was green, TIE fighter lasers were green, X-Wing lasers were red, force lightning was blue. It was only Vader’s lightsaber that was red originally, and later other Sith. Even in more modern content it’s not always used - the Nightsisters’ magics are green, for example. So I don’t feel like we always need to use that shorthand. (For the same reason, I wish Son didn’t use red lightning - in fact I’d be more inclined to change that to blue.) I also feel like Ahsoka’s not explicitly Sith here, so much as ‘corrupted by the dark’, which is a subtly different distinction. And I don’t have a problem with Son’s tower being green, for the same reason. That said, I also don’t know how to palette shift a single moving component, so I would be very interested to learn how to do that.
  • I agree that the resurrection-to-awakening transition is a little too quick. I’ll see if I can let it breathe a little more.

I also was confused about how exactly you used the fireplace eyes shot of Ahsoka. Could you explain that a little more? I may have just missed it.

This relates to Ahsoka’s vision of her future self. I moved an extreme close-up shot of Ahsoka with fire in her eyes to match the dialogue where future-Ahsoka says “There’s a wildness to you little one. Seeds of the darkside planted by your master.” It’s subtle but cute.

I’m still trying to figure out the secret Qui-Gon line you’re referring to! I thought it might be “control your fear” before he sees his mother, but you mentioned that so I guess it isn’t it. Also, did you add something to that voice? Because at first it almost sounded like the Father. Which would raise some interesting questions. Is this a test from Qui-Gon, or from the Father, and Qui-Gon is simply guiding Anakin through the Father’s test? Or, is this all something Qui-Gon has put together to help them through what’s to come? Or, Qui-Gon just guided them to this place (a place he may have once visited himself) and let the Force take it from there? I may have just misheard the voice thing, but I like the mystery of it all.

Secret answer:

So you’ve kind of come round to the same curious implication via an unintended path! The secret line I’ve added is very subtle - at the very end, when Father says “You are the chosen one”, I had Qui-Gon deliver exactly the same line at the same time, so you’re actually hearing both voices. As if when Father accepts it, Qui-Gon’s getting his confirmation too. Is Qui-Gon the Father? Was Father Qui-Gon’s test made manifest? Is Qui-Gon puppeting this entire scenario? Or is he simply witnessing this as Father does? (As an aside, rather than having Father represent balance, as he more explicitly does in the original, I quite like implying here that he’s simply ‘The Force’, and his children are his aspects - the light side of the force, etc. Then his metaphorical death (which more literally happens when Vader kills Palpatine) is later followed by a movie which explicitly states “The Force (re)Awakens”.)

I don’t think this is what you were referencing, but before Anakin enters the Son’s lair, do you have Qui-Gon say, “Take only what you take with you.”? Kind of awkwardly worded but I think it works. Since to me, Qui-Gon’s not talking about what he’s physically carrying, but what he’s emotionally carrying. And this could imply that the darkness within him is what has corrupted Ahsoka, and not the Son. BUT, if the Son is simply a manifestation of Anakin’s own darkness anyway, it’s one in the same.

Yes, that’s the line. I had “-only what you take with you”, so had to use that line’s “take” twice to make a full sentence. I’d prefer a “bring”. (It maybe could become “Trust only what you take with you”?? Would tie in with the earlier line “Anakin will not be easy to deceive.”) It’s definitely the weakest of the added Qui-Gon lines, but your interpretation is what I was going for. I liked one interpretation that “what you take with you” includes the darkness within Ahsoka, since that comes from Anakin’s influence.

Speaking of which, I’m not sure how you interpreted the dagger metaphor, but I took it like this:

The dagger is a metaphor for self-sacrifice. I don’t think Obi-Wan understands this until he sees the Daughter jump in the way to save her father, and then sacrifice the rest of her life force to save Ahsoka. To me, this foreshadows Obi-Wan eventually sacrificing himself to not only save Luke, but transfer “hope” from himself to Luke. I think this is touched on with the “There is no hope” and “There’s always hope!” lines.

That’s absolutely valid! I think there are a lot of options here. For me-

The dagger is Obi-Wan training Anakin as Qui-Gon would have wanted. If Obi-Wan had done that, Ahsoka wouldn’t have inherited Anakin’s darkness (he first wants to use the dagger to “cut her free”). Then at the point where he throws it to Anakin (attempts to give Anakin the training he needs to overcome his darkness), his darkness (Ahsoka in this scenario, perhaps implying Anakin’s persistent attachment issues) catches it and hands it to the Son, representing Anakin’s full corruption. From therein, it represents Obi-Wan’s failiure and Anakin’s Vader persona - it kills the light, and then the balance, so that Anakin (himself, without the blade, redeemed from the dark) can finally kill the dark. (In the real-world scenario, Ahsoka ultimately managed to escape influencing Anakin to the dark, but his attachment to Padmé was the alternate attachment which still led him astray.)

I do wish there was a way to make it clearer that Obi-Wan is getting something from [the dagger] moment. Like, a close up of him observing what’s happening would be nice, but the only sort of close up is when he is shielding his face from the light. Like when the screen goes white, hear Obi-Wan say, “I… understand”, but that might be too on the nose.

That would be nice, but I think it’s best if our characters don’t fully understand what they’ve seen yet. Obi-Wan still needs to go through his failure and find inner peace before he is able to truly commune with Qui-Gon again. And the characters will still ultimately act out much of what they have seen today - it’s only Ahsoka who manages to sever herself from this implied fate. For example, I deliberately placed the most ‘explanatory’ Qui-Gon lines over Anakin sleeping/waking, so they can be remembered or forgotten by him at the viewer’s discretion.

That’s what I love about what you’ve done with this episode. These interpretations were arguably already there, but now they aren’t bogged down by all the other stuff with them trying to get off the planet and what not.

And I think the question of “Balance” benefits the most from what you’ve done with this episode. With the way it ends, there is clear analogy being made to the morality play the Mortis gods depict, and what Anakin eventually does to bring “balance” as George laid it out.

It’s funny, because I think this edit simultaneously simplifies the message, but also, through vagueness, increases the mystery. I could go on more about what I got from this episode but I’ll stop my long post for now. Great job, Eddie!

Exactly! Many of the metaphors were absolutely as written by George/Dave/Christian Taylor, but muddied by a lack of focus and an unnecessary need to hand the viewer too much. It should have been an episode that had people questioning it for years on forums afterwards, arguing about the interpretation of this or that line or action.

(Though, it is kind of fun trying to work out the “true” interpretation when the real answer is “I cobbled some of this together from nonsense”!)

One question though - how did you find the additional Qui-Gon lines? Ultimately a value-add?

Thanks so much for your analysis!

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#1491876
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The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE] + bonus Quinlan Vos episode by g00b!
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RELEASED - S04E02 - The Living Force (V2.0)

  • RELEASE VERSION.
  • Our second episode of season four.
  • Comprising the original episodes Overlords, Altar of Mortis, and Ghosts of Mortis
  • Running 31 minutes.
  • DOWNLOAD LINK is in the tracker spreadsheet, PM me for access.
  • Note: It’s recommended that you download this before watching, rather than streaming it directly from Google Drive.

This is a radical edit of the Mortis trilogy.

I recommend that you watch this episode without reading the following description at all. It is better experienced completely fresh, free from expectation.

I had a few major issues with the original story that I wanted to completely change. I felt that the arc was way too explicit about what the Mortis Gods were - real people with real powers that could threaten the Galaxy - whilst also having them be the most on-the-nose, blunt, heavy-handed metaphors for the Force. You can’t have it both ways, because the material conflict is cheapened if the spiritual/metaphorical world can have this level of influence.

Similarly, the planet they’re on seemed to struggle with the same dichotomy: It’s both a real planet in real space and a force nexus with shifting geography and seasons, and it’s inside a space pyramid, and the things that happen there can affect the Galaxy, and they ride around the magical planet on mundane speeder bikes. Again, pick a lane.

I also objected to some major sequences. Having Anakin demonstrate that he’s the literal balance by overpowering the literal lightside and literal darkside was many steps too far for me, and showing Anakin (and the audience) his future (including the destruction of Alderaan and the Vader mask) was both again way too overt, and in the story quite worthless as he literally gets that memory taken away. Likewise, the plot of the Son actually wanting to escape makes uncomfortable implications to the canon, and goes nowhere.

Anyway, I have sought to remedy these things aggressively. If we have to choose what the Mortis Gods are, then like other visions in the canon, they are tests, trials, messages, visions, metaphors, lessons, dream-speak from the Force. Mortis cannot be a real space - it is a dreamscape or vision quest within a force nexus, like the Dagobah cave.

But let’s talk about what’s good in the original episodes! There are some great visions, conversations with ghosts, and mystical nonsense. They all stay. The arc’s most important addition to the canon is Ahsoka’s final interaction with the Daughter, since in future media (including the Mandalorian) she’s sometimes accompanied by Morai.

That element, of Ahsoka and Daughter, drove the shape of the rest of the content and conclusion. It requires that we see the conflict between the Family and the others, so I retained all of the major beats of that conflict.

The major change required to make all of the above work, which affected almost every scene and conversation, was to turn the entirety of the plot into essentially an extended, shared, Dagobah cave vision sequence. The Mortis Gods have been stripped of almost all agency - they are now metaphors made manifest within the dreamscape, like Luke in Vader’s mask from ESB. They exist as guides and trials - until the third act conflict, which empowers them, making them mirrors of our main characters and the forces that surround them. They essentially then grow into performers of a morality play, showing our characters what their actions will cause on the Galactic stage if allowed to play out. The story then, at least, has a full dreamlike narrative - even if not a literal, perfectly logical one.

Oh, and having Qui-Gon’s ghost appear in this arc gave me a lot I could play up - skip the next section if you want more suprises.

Noteworthy changes:

  • Regarding placement, this episode feels like it belongs late in the series, at the time of mystery and darkness. Placed here, with the Ahsoka content, it leads very nicely into the next Ahsoka-focused episode (Ahsoka’s Fall, which will also hopefully be made more meaningful with my plans for the following Scipio arc.)
  • The episode is titled ‘The Living Force’, for the Qui-Gon connection and because it’s a great pun. It’s also a gentle jab at how ham-fisted and clumsy the original arc was, which I can’t resist.
  • The opening crawl reminds us of the Chosen One prophecy (which I’m not a fan of, but this episode is all about that so we might as well lean in), and Qui-Gon’s position as an outsider Jedi and supporter of Anakin. We then recontextualise the original distress signal as explicitly Qui-Gon’s, because I’m heavily playing up his involvement.
  • Speaking of which, Qui-Gon is all over this. I got extremely lucky with a bunch of lines from a vision of child Anakin and Qui-Gon from the Tartakovsky miniseries (which I’m not otherwise using in my edit of this show or that one). The lines fit perfectly in a good number of places, and I’ve used them to have Qui-Gon more explicitly involved in the plot, perhaps as its instigator. There’s also a secret Qui-Gon line which I’d be interested to know if anyone spots, with a fun bonus implication.
  • References to the planet as a real place have been minimised, to keep it dreamlike. Through the scenes I’ve chosen to cut, there’s now no time spent flying, crashing, or repairing the ship, or riding around on speeder bikes, to also keep it dreamlike.
  • Dialogue implying that the Mortis Gods have their own agency have been minimised (until they start to reflect our characters), to also also keep them dreamlike. They almost never talk amongst themselves when our main characters aren’t there.
  • Main characters notice the weirdness but question it a lot less, also like a dream.
  • Mortis Gods give our main characters far more ambiguous explanations for things. I made certain that there’s a valid metaphorical interpretation for every line of Mortis God dialogue - so like with David Lynch, everything “makes sense” whether the audience understands it or not.
  • Before coming to the planet, Anakin has a dream of meeting the Son, to cement him and his conflict with the Dark as the central character and conflict of this story (and because that scene has explicitly dreamlike VFX).
  • They are taken to the ‘planet’ via white light instead of seeing the space diamond.
  • Reordered some of the visions, mainly for flow and a little extra tension. Anakin’s mother isn’t the Son, that’s left ambiguous (like Han in TROS), though I use some Qui-Gon dialogue to imply it’s an important test/message.
  • I removed the scene of Son-gremlin biting Ahsoka to turn her dark - instead she goes dark after the warning from her future self in her vision, and I used a gorgeous shot of her with fire in her eyes to help sell this transition.
  • Using the scene where Daughter and Son in beast forms grab Obi-Wan and Ahsoka, we bypass some unwanted content to get Obi-Wan and Daughter to the dagger (which has a valid metaphor that works for how it’s wielded in this episode if you look closely!) and get Ahsoka and Son to the top of Son’s tower for Anakin’s trial.
  • I used the scene of Qui-Gon (in ghost form) talking to Anakin to guide him to Son’s tower, instead of to the well of the dark side.
  • I quite heavily recut the conflict between Anakin/Ahsoka and Daughter/Son to imply that D/S are empowered by A/A’s conflict. Now, as each of the ‘real’ characters act, their mirror characters act in a similar way, with growing intensity.
  • We transition from Anakin using Daughter’s life force on Ahsoka into Anakin waking up at Father’s temple. (Father’s dialogue helps this work just fine.) I’ve had to trim a little of the emotional response to Ahsoka’s resurrection out of necessity, but hey, it’s all a dream now so we don’t need to linger.
  • Removed: Anakin isn’t challenged by Father to choose light versus dark (his other actions during this episode prove he’s the Chosen One). He’s not expected to remain on Mortis. The main characters don’t leave, Ahsoka doesn’t get captured, and they don’t return and crash-land then have to repair the ship. Son doesn’t plot to kill Father, and Father doesn’t mourn Daughter for long (they’re not real people!) Son doesn’t show Anakin his future nor does Anakin turn dark before having his memory erased. Son doesn’t want to leave Mortis.
  • I hope you like it when the screen fades to white and then a character wakes up confused, because the original did that twice and I’ve added two more!

Anyway, this was an absolute blast to produce. I really disliked the original episode but I think I’ve managed to make something I really enjoy, which hits all of the core beats in a completely new way that feels like it fits a lot better with the canon. I hope you all enjoy it too!

Onward to another great Maul episode, where shit goes DOWN.

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#1491625
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The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE] + bonus Quinlan Vos episode by g00b!
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CMMAP said:

EddieDean said:

Here’s another little clip from the episode Mortis: Oops! All dream-speak!

I laughed hard at the rhym 😄 Well done.

Right?! And it’s a good metaphor too. Is he talking about tonight on his weird planet, or in the galaxy as a whole? I’ve kept a lot of dialogue that has dual meanings like that.

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#1491624
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RogueLeader said:

Eddie, are music and dialogue pretty separate in the audio tracks? I’m guessing they must be if you’re able to rearrange dialogue fairly well. I’m curious if this would make restoring also feasible (you may have done this already in past episodes and I’ve forgotten/missed it).

Yep, aside from a couple of earlier episodes it’s all nice and separate. Often with echoes there’s residual voice in the other channels, but it’s rare enough.

Rescoring is totally feasible. I’ve done it lightly in a couple of places. Doing it in a major way is something I considered, though it would triple the time it takes me to complete each episode. It’s definitely something I’d consider when I’m all done, or if someone else wanted to experiment I’d be interested.

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#1491607
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The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE] + bonus Quinlan Vos episode by g00b!
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Good progress on Mortis today!

It all feels good when executed as planned in my previous big post - removing explanations allows it to flow naturally with its own dreamlike logic even without being too clear about what’s going on. While light and dark characters remain clear, the father appears more of a passive guide who resides in a way station than a metaphor for balance.

  • I’ve changed more dialogue than I was expecting, to decent effect I feel. Most visions and interactions with the Family are changed to some degree, and I think their conversations are nice and meaningful without being explicit.
  • I’ve reordered the early set of visions. Now, Qui-Gon warns Obi-Wan that Anakin needs to find the balance before he encounters Father (and gets sent to bed). And then, Ahsoka meets Ahsoka, waking up fearing for Anakin, before we return to Anakin’s encounter with his mother. It just flows a bit more nicely than the originals.
  • I’ve used Anakin’s meeting with Qui-Gon later, to lead Anakin to the ‘dark place’ where he’ll fight dark Ahsoka.
  • I’ve not used the scene of Ahsoka being bitten by the Son to become dark, instead relying on her scene with her future self where she’s warned of Anakin’s dark influence. I moved a lovely shot of fire burning in Ahsoka’s eyes during the dialogue where future Ahsoka warns her of the dark within. I think that’ll carry us into dark Ahsoka just fine.

I just need to work on the couple of ending fights now, then I’ll do a pass of un-used dialogue to see if any’s worth salvaging, then it’s just a thorough audio transitions test and finalisation. I’d like to get this right, but I hope to have this finished this week. I’m excited to share it!

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#1491566
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The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE] + bonus Quinlan Vos episode by g00b!
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Here’s another little clip from the episode Mortis: Oops! All dream-speak!

I wanted to remove the Father’s references to real geography (“nowhere to go”) and replace them with something far more metaphorical, but which still transitioned into him sending Anakin to bed. The following Anakin-Father scene is WAY too explicit with the Father talking about how real they are, so is going to be cut entirely, but some of its dialogue, chopped up and reordered, made a nice segue into Anakin’s bedtime, with more dreamlike logic to it.

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#1491283
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The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE] + bonus Quinlan Vos episode by g00b!
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Here’s a clip of the new opening to the Mortis episode.

The audio’s not finished yet. The purpose of doing it this way is threefold:

  • To cement Anakin’s fate and experiences here as the central focus of the episode
  • To layer dreams on dreams early on, to remove all sense of what’s real
  • To exclude the pyramid, to remove all sense of geography and real space

(And yep, I’ll fix that messy match cut as Ahsoka walks down the hallway)

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#1491256
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The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE] + bonus Quinlan Vos episode by g00b!
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I’m making progress on the editing for Mortis now.

I’ve just learned that the dagger, in the original version, does have metaphor assigned to it! Its altar is reminiscent of the Ring of Fire from the Wagner opera ‘Siegfried’, which Siegfried passes through to reach the valkyrie Brunnhilde, “who shall work the deed that redeems the world.” Our dagger, therefore, represents Obi-Wan’s ability to redeem Anakin, and his failure to wield it properly in this metaphor-world represents his future failure to prevent Anakin’s fall and the events that follow.

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#1490619
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(The Mandalorian+BoBF) The Way of Mandalore | A Legends Movie Saga (Final Update in Progress: 5/6 Done)
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I was really hoping to see the Boba stuff merged chronologically with the Mando stuff, so this sounds great! I’d thought a little about doing something like this (but still as a TV show), but wasn’t sure where to place Boba’s flashbacks. With movies though, you don’t have that problem, and putting them before a “ships in the night” situation via Fennec for your episode 2 seems like a very elegant approach. For episode 5, making BOBF have the Mando content run more concurrently will be really helpful too, so best of luck with that! I wouldn’t worry too much about leaving it as a long movie, so long as the whole is coherent! But there’re probably a few whole plotlines you can cut if you need.

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#1490494
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Obi-Wan Kenobi Redux Ideas Thread
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NFBisms, that was gorgeous - I wonder how many more opportunities to use this kind of direction throughout might be possible?

And Rogue, as ever, I agree with that approach very much. I was a big fan of Reva’s arc and its conclusion, but I agree with the rest - the most powerful character moments should be the axis around which the plot’s logic must flow.

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#1489772
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
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doubleofive said:

…you can’t just add information that’s not there. I don’t care how artificial your intelligence.

You kind of can. You can add detail or colour depth- just not necessarily the detail that was originally there. And depending on how well trained the AI is, it can get increasingly accurate about the detail it adds.

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#1489579
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised - concept trailers released (WIP)
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I think it’s a difference between having an apprentice (which makes you their master whatever your rank) and being a Master of the Jedi Order, or a Council-level Master, which is a whole other formal thing.

Either way, definitely each to his own, but when canon bends to create new content, the user has a choice of whether to accept the bend in order to enjoy the new content or not.

I’m happy that Vader’s Luke’s father, because that gives me good stories, even though that was a bend of canon not intended during ANH. I’m happy Leia is Luke’s sister, because that gives me good stories, even though that was a bend of canon not conceived until ROTJ. I’m happy that Ahsoka is Anakin’s Padawan, because she’s become one of my favourite characters, even though that was a bend of canon when it was created.

It’s a negotiation between you and the writers: We’ve got a good idea, but you’re going to have to accept this new interpretation of what you may have understood before. And sometimes that means that earlier content loses some value (the Vader suprise, the Yoda reveal), but you have to decide for yourself if the new stuff is worth the bend. For me, new stuff adds way more than it removes, so I’ll take that deal almost every time.

But adding new stuff by bending the rules has been part of Star Wars since the very first movie after the original.

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#1489538
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I’ve just had a look at the scene from ROTS about Qui-Gon, and it actually works fine if Obi-Wan’s already somewhat aware, because the way he delivers the line ‘Qui-Gon!’ feels as if he’s receiving confirmation of something he already suspected. Yoda confirms he’s ‘returned from the netherworld’ but then his focus is on teaching Obi-Wan to commune with him. So as long as it’s not completely explicit that Qui-Gon’s behind things in Clone Wars, it works.

A couple of other thoughts: I might try to more dramatically intersplice the scene of Anakin/OWK/Ahsoka fighting with Daughter/Son/Father, to have the metaphor-people’s actions happen with corresponding actions from the real people. In this scenario, Ahsoka is paired to Son, Obi-Wan is paired to Daughter, and Anakin is paired to Father, so ideally I’d do something like showing Son attack Daughter as Ahsoka attacks Obi-Wan, and vice versa, and have Father intervene when Anakin makes some move.

I also think the better placement for Anakin talking to Qui-Gon is later, after Obi-Wan’s had his Qui-Gon conversation, since the latter duo have the stronger bond, and this way Qui-Gon can also be warning Anakin that he’s heading toward the darkness of the Ahsoka fight (whereas in the original placement he’s heading toward balance).

Just to manage expectations, this episode will take a little while! The reordering of scenes should be no trouble, but I’ve got to do a lot of digging through voice lines, and if I want to extend Father’s conversation at the end and make something out of it, that scene could take a lot of iteration to not feel choppy. I’ve got a busy work week this week, but am more free next week.

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#1489536
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Westry said:

I’m liking what I’ve watched so far. I’m curious which episode you are most proud of?

Tricky question!

My favourites are always those where creative thinking or working has resulted in something I feel is materially better than the original.

S01E01 The New Padawan, whilst far from the most enjoyable episode to watch, is hugely technically complex behind the scenes, and probably the largest ‘quality gain’ compared to the original material, so I’m proud of the achievement there even if the new episode isn’t particularly good. S01E02 Malevolence is similar - not great by any measure, but wildly less painful than the original for me.

I was very pleased with S03E01 The Politics of War, for the new narrative I was able to create, and S02E03 Corruption on Mandalore for similar reasons. I feel like I was able to really elevate those arcs and let the good in them really shine.

S01E06 Resistance on Ryloth, and S02E02 Massacre/Retribution (not quite polished to final yet) I feel are good combination work.

I also liked the smoothing I did in S02E04 Like Father, Like Clone (the Boba Fett arc), S02E07 Monsters (the return of Maul arc), and S03E03 Dissent on Umbara.

I feel like Mortis is going to be very satisfying for me personally, since it feels like this narrative is going to work, and eliminate all of the major issues I had with the original arc, which I didn’t think was possible.

There’re other episodes I might enjoy watching more than these, but those are the ones I’m most proud of.

I’m also broadly very pleased with the reordering, and the work I’ve done to present the episodes more ‘confidently’ than the originals. It feels to me like the whole show tells a coherent and developing story, broken nicely into focused seasons, that’s digestible.

Thanks for asking!

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OK, I’ve done another Mortis rewatch (in reverse this time), and I think something’s coming together. It kind of works as a vision of the future of the battle for Anakin’s soul and how dark/light/balance swing as he acts. It also shows Obi-Wan’s failure to control Anakin’s darkness, and Ahsoka’s success in eluding his poisonous influence.

I think the main metaphor-story works as follows:

  • This is a place of tests. Temptation is close here. Light, dark, and balance are personified.
  • Various wanderings and cryptic visions. Qui-Gon is involved.
  • Noble Obi-Wan, beginning to follow Qui-Gon’s more balanced footsteps, is granted a dream dagger, perhaps representing his role as master and fulcrum of their fates.
  • Ahsoka’s vision tells her that Anakin’s darkness will poison her to the dark as well unless she leaves him - but then in this world she becomes that vision of her dark potential self (like Luke in Vader’s helmet in the Dagobah cave).
  • Anakin faces Ahsoka. She’s displaying all of her worse impulses and resentments. They fight. Obi-Wan joins, but does not use his dagger to save her, representing his failiure to train Anakin (and thus Ahsoka) above their worse impulses.
  • Their conflict empowers the metaphor-beings, who fight until Father throws them into the same arena as our characters. (This is the only time we’ll see them appear to have real agency, but I want it to feel like a reaction to what our characters are doing, not independent of it.)
  • The dark leaves Ahsoka, but also kills her. (Good enough metaphor for her upcoming fall.)
  • Obi-Wan hesitates to use his dream-dagger to kill the Son. He fails to defeat the darkness. (Works nicely with his future character arc.)
  • Darkness tries to kill balance, but light tries to save balance, and dies in the process. (It’s not about defeating what we hate, it’s about saving what we love, plus ironically darkness has made things imbalanced anyway. This also works as a metaphor for Anakin’s turn, how he tries to grow in both dark and light under Palpatine, but kills his light instead, becoming Vader.)
  • Anakin takes the last of Daughter’s life force to save Ahsoka. He finishes off the light because of his connection to another. (Good enough metaphor.)
  • With Daughter (light) now dead, Son (dark) is now more powerful.
  • Balance tries to entreat Anakin to recognise his role in all of this.
  • To defeat darkness, balance kills itself. Anakin then kils darkness (as he eventually will at the end of his journey).
  • Dream ends.

Beyond those mentioned in my previous post, I think we should (and can) drop a few subplots:

  • We don’t need the test where Father makes Anakin choose Obi-Wan or Ahsoka, to which he forces both the lightside and darkside to bow to him. Firstly it’s too on the nose, secondly it’s not how his temptation plays out, and thirdly it muddles the Chosen One prophecy by implying that the father wants him to stay and embody the literal balance from Mortis. The better moment here is the conclusion of the second episode, where Anakin can’t let Ahsoka go, and takes the last life from the light side to preserve her. That’s a better metaphor for how his arc plays out.
  • We don’t need the visions of the future at all, actually. They don’t really go anywhere. He gets the vision of his future, accepts the darkside in order to avoid that future, threatens Obi-Wan, goes to threaten Ahsoka but she eludes him and rescues Obi-Wan, nearly lets the Son escape, but then the Son disappears and the Father removes that memory. We’re back where we started, with the only real value for the viewer being ‘Anakin’s been tempted by the darkside, and it looks like he’ll do bad things in future’, which this episode’s already doing all over the place. But the temptation here also isn’t how his future arc plays out. Plus it contains a LOT of un-dreamlike mundane travel, and removing this and the above means we actually have no ship or speeder bikes. I could MAYBE put this content in, near the end, but I think it’d be better without.
  • We don’t need Son trying to kill Father, since Father doesn’t appear weak until he’s actually fatally stabbed later. All we should preserve of their story is them as metaphors.

Instead, I think we could play it out as follows:

  • In the crawl, find some reason to get them there that includes Qui-Gon’s guidance (and use more Qui-Gon VO throughout).
  • Using a scene from episode 2, in a dream (its VFX are more dreamlike), Anakin sees himself, and then the Son emerges from the other himself, and threatens him. (This is a good first scene, since it implies the Son is more closely related to the darkness within Anakin, than a character in his own right.)
  • Anakin wakes with a start on the ship. Cut that into the original start of the first episode, but remove the diamond, just have white light wash over the ship.
  • The party wake up on the planet. Trim a lot of dialogue to not have them question the mundane stuff (like the ship) too much, keep them focused on the weird. They walk outside.
  • At the point where Anakin originally reacts to Daughter’s voice (but Obi-Wan and Ahsoka don’t hear it), use Qui-Gon’s voice instead - “He is the chosen one”. THEN, when Daughter appears, it’s with her asking “Is he the one?” We’re now implying some link between Qui-Gon and what’s going on here.
  • Have Daughter guide them down the cliff path until they get separated. Daughter walks off, leaving Anakin walking alone, and Obi-Wan and Ahsoka together.
  • Obi-Wan and Ahsoka find their ship gone, and then Son appears and taunts them. (Now, because of the inclusion of the original dream scene, he’s taunted all three. The darkside is present here.) He flies away, and they seek shelter.
  • Using a scene from episode 3, Anakin (alone) encounters Qui-Gon, who gives him cryptic guidance. Now Qui-Gon is clearly involved.
  • Anakin makes it to Father’s monastery. I’ll steal one of his lines from ep3 to replace part of his explanation of what he is: “I am an old fool who believed he could control the future.” No idea what that means, but it’s weird in a good way. They talk about Anakin’s destiny, which is one of the few threads I can do something with. Anakin is invited to stay for the night.
  • In a cave, Qui-Gon appears to Obi-Wan. They talk about Anakin. This is all clearly about Anakin, rather than the others.
  • Ahsoka receives a vision of her future self warning that there’s darkness in Anakin that will corrupt her if she stays with him - I could use THIS as all the explanation we need for why she’s darkside later??
  • Anakin wakes in the temple and encouters Shmi, where he talks about his guilt. She’s not explicitly the Son, it’s left mysterious. We DON’T then have Anakin threaten the Father, because that dialogue is all way too explicit.
  • In the morning, Ahsoka and Obi-Wan go wandering and talk about more weirdness, then Obi-Wan is grabbed by Daughter, and Ahsoka is grabbed by Son. I’ll use this to skip over the end of episode one and into episode two. Now we don’t need to have Ahsoka captured as they try to escape, nor Obi-Wan guided by Daughter again.
  • I COULD keep Ahsoka being bitten by the Son to explain why she goes dark here, but I think leaving it based on her earlier vision might be better as it’d be less explicitly because of the Son being a real person.
  • Daughter takes Obi-Wan to the dagger. I’ll probably add more Qui-Gon voice here.
  • Anakin scales a tower (I don’t think I’ll bother explaining why he’s there), and finds dark Ahsoka there.
  • NOTE: I COULD precede the previous scene with the one of Qui-Gon guiding Anakin, because he also has lines about ‘it’s very darkside up ahead’ (originally referencing the fire pit where Anakin has the vision). But I think it’s better off early?
  • Anakin and Ahsoka fight. Obi-Wan shows up and joins the fight. He considers using the dagger to free Ahsoka.
  • With less dialogue, so it’s implied they’re reacting to the chaos around them, Daughter and Son come into conflict. I’ll only show this briefly, before Father forces them into the arena where the others are fighting.
  • Ahsoka takes the dagger and hands it to Son, who kills her with a tap to the forehead. (The darkside doesn’t need Ahsoka, just power, or whatever.) Anakin is angry but can’t hurt the Son.
  • Son tries to kill Father, Daughter intervenes and gets stabbed. Son flees in remorse (fine).
  • The planet goes unbalanced, but Anakin uses dying Daughter to save Ahsoka. Minor wrap-up to these scenes? Might just fade to white.
  • The three plus Father appear in the monastery of balance. (Father even says “I have brought you here…” to help with this weird transition.)
  • I might extend the above scene by just cutting snippets out of other interesting things the Father says to Anakin throughout the episodes, ignoring geography altogether. Might as well get weird with it if I can make it seem like it has a point.
  • Son appears, and they all attack him. Father takes the dagger and uses it to kill himself. (Something something balance).
  • But Anakin uses the distraction to properly kill Son. (This works as a metaphor for the very future of Anakin. The dark was the last to fall, as Vader turns to the light to destroy Palpatine, but until The Force Awakens again, the power of light, dark, and balance, is now quieted.)
  • In his final words, Father says cryptic stuff about Anakin. The planet shatters and stuff.
  • In a flash, the trio awaken on the ship in space, and mysteriously reconnect with Rex.

I think this is a thing, guys!