EddieDean

Ah, nice, that sounds delightful!

Sorry to ask you to repeat yourself - I dug back through the history of this thread but couldn’t find a clear answer - which of your plans did you end up going for for your new Books 5 and 6? What’re the rough plot beats of both? If I remember correctly you’re pulling the BoBF content into Book 6, making Book 5 the start of Mando season 3?

Raditz, I’ve just gone over yours too. I do really like Thunderbolts coming early, as you have it. I might think about the kind of minor edits which might enable some of the better placements.

Yeah, I’d have liked to keep him too, but that plotline’s awful. I tried to keep his fight with Bane, but there wasnt anything else to connect it to. In the end I just had to pay him homage in one of the opening crawls.

I’ve come back to this again (why?) with a bit of a tightening now we know a lot more. I’m still aiming for eight movies/shows per phase, just because it looks nice in Plex and seems to pace seasons nicely. The eighth film in a phase should be a big one, and the fourth ideally is also fairly big/important, for good pacing of peaks. My focus is really on the core Marvel MCU as those blocks of eight, with stuff like Netflix Defenders, non-MCU Spidey and X-Men, and What if?, kind of living outside this.

The priority is still “Get plotlines which take characters off the board in earlier, and get plotlines which set up more stuff in later” because I think it’s best for cognitive load and flow to have the fewest dangling threads and new characters doing nothing in the background at a time.

But the main changes now are slightly more adherence to the original release order, mostly because as nice as it would be to move stuff like Brave New World and Thunderbolts earlier for closeness to their prequel sources, they require so much stuff to shift. This also helps keep the most content which directly refers to the Snap as early as possible so you feel its effects. There are still a couple of key exceptions to this - most notably Eternals.

One other thing I’ve tried to do is at least keep most related plots as close together as possible, so payoff is close, or multi-movie/show arcs (like Fisk) at least popping up once per phase.

I’ve also decided to move Loki Season One to right after Endgame, because while it’s a plot ‘opener’, it does follow most immediately from Endgame and it permits the moving of some other content earlier too.

But here’s where I’m at right now:

PHASE ONE: TESSERACT - As in original post.
PHASE TWO: ESCALATION - As in original post.
PHASE THREE: DISASSEMBLED - As in original post.

PHASE FOUR: AFTERMATH

• Loki S1 - Immediate consequence of Endgame, sets up unstable Kang-oriented multiverse.
• Spider-Man Far From Home - Aftermath of Tony’s death. Light mention of multiverse.
• Thor: Love and Thunder - Guardians and Thor. Takes Thor off the table.
• Falcon and Winter Soldier - Aftermath of Cap leaving this time period. Now we’ve dealt with the big three. Light touch for Wakanda, which we won’t return to for a while.
• Hawkeye - Aftermath for Hawkeye and Nat’s Death. Reintroduces Yelena.
• Guardians Holiday Special - Christmassy after Hawkeye.
• Ant-Man and Wasp: Quantumania - Aftermath for Ant-family.
• Guardians vol 3 - Conclusion for the Guardians, which deserves coming early.

By this point, we’ve taken a lot off the table and most characters aren’t exactly back in ‘active service’. But we also haven’t had a major global threat.

PHASE FIVE: MULTIVERSE

• Loki S2 - Deals with Kang, sets up a stable multiverse. This is where we can now get weird with it.
• Wandavision - Aftermath for Wanda and Vision (who are more ‘outsider’ Avengers). Bohner as a sort-of Multiverse reference. Takes them off the board for a while. Introduces Monica.
• Shang-Chi - First new main character, but also aftermath for Hulk, Wong, and Captain Marvel (our final ‘outsider’ Avengers) showing they’re mostly off the board. Final evidence that the Avengers aren’t really a thing any more.
• Spider-Man: No Way Home - The multiverse comes to 616. This one starts immediately after the previous Spidey, but then the legal squabbles could take around a year offscreen. Plus we’re not seeing Spidey again for a while so it’s good to pace him out - though this nicely takes him off the board.
• Echo - exactly eight movies/shows after Hawkeye, continuing that thread. Light impact, but good location for it.
• Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness - We travel the Multiverse. Takes Strange and Wanda off the board for now. X-Men featured.
• Ms. Marvel Second new main character, big references back to classic Avengers. Directly into-
• The Marvels First multiversal collision. Payoff for Fury, Monica, Captain Marvel, and Ms. Marvel. Nice overlap of cosmic and multiversal threads, and leaves Monica in an X-Men universe and has Ms. Marvel planning to gather the Young Avengers/Champions who’ve been slowly introduced.

Now we’ve had a full taste of Multiverse, given attention to all our main characters, and started to give attention to the new and what’s coming. Still no major global impact.

PHASE SIX: NEW WORLD ORDER

• Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - We see why T’Challa was off the board so long (RIP), and introduce Namor and Riri, and the new state of Wakanda which’ll be relevant Doomsday/Secret Wars.
• Eternals - Placed way later than release (I justify this in-universe as the Tiamat activation being related to a huge baby boom post-blip) because originally it had a huge global impact that remained unacknowledged. Many new characters.
• She-Hulk - Returns to Hulk and Abomination eight movies/shows after their light touch in Shang-Chi. Introduces She-Hulk, and an easter egg mentions Eternals.
• Captain America: Brave New World - Continues the Hulk revival, explicitly acknowledges Eternals, and positions new Cap back at the forefront of the response to global events.
• Daredevil: Born Again - eight movies/shows after Echo, continuing that thread, and firmly reestablishing Daredevil and Punisher after a slow reintroduction after Netflix.
• Agatha All Along - Twelve movies/shows after Agatha’s introduction, and eight after the last Wanda/Billy/Tommy story.
• Ironheart - Following Wakanda Forever, introducing a new very major character and reigniting the Iron Man legacy.
• Thunderbolts - Would have been nice to have earlier but it’s so dependent on other stuff. Takes a lot of C-listers and elevates them to a B-list teamup, and finally deals with the world’s lack of a true Avengers team. Setup for what’s to come.

And now we’ve got all the elements in play to set up Fantastic Four/Spider-Man 4/Defenders/Champions/Doomsday/Secret Wars, with the recent focus mainly being on the new characters.

REMAINDER

• Deadpool and Wolverine - The first movie of Phase Seven, really gives us the first proper collision with the X-Men universe and returns us to Loki’s Void, kicking off further Multiverse focus.
• Werewolf by Night and Moon Knight don’t impact the main story at all, and can end up a little closer to the now-rumoured Marvel Knights arc.
• Secret Invasion - can just be forgotten until it ever gets acknowledged, frankly, and doesn’t need to be before Captain Marvel.

I don’t plan to 😃

Just a note to say I’m rather busy right now so haven’t been able to make much progress on this. I think NFB is particularly busy too. If anyone’s game, feel free to go ahead and produce these edits (and take full credit, naturally) - they’re fairly straightforward stitchings without cutting anything.

Luke rebuilding his Saber for ROTJ is a big one.

I don’t know if that’s quite cinema quality, but it’s far better than I was expecting it to be!

I’d definitely be down for that, Broom.

I’d certainly take a copy of that audio thanks guys!

That one’s not a trim I’d make, I’m afraid. I’m still pro-bridging-content in as many cases as possible. “All of Star Wars is better than any of Star Wars” remains my mantra - no one show, not even Andor, should trump the franchise continuity.

Yep, it’s all included. My s03e09 covers the first two Saw Gerrera episodes, and the s03e10 covers the second two.

knights2023 said:

Just Watched the first movie of season 2. it flows brilliantly. I don’t think anything needs to changed. Though i did notice something strange. When the rebels are crawling through the jungle at around the 52 min mark a tie fighter engine can now be heard. this was not in the original version and seems like a strange addition. The Empire would not be patrolling yavin

I’ll check this.

Fath0m said:

Would love link to this !

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First movie is fully uploaded, and movie two just finished rendering.

The second movie, from episodes S02E04-S02E06 runs to 02h23m41s. Like the previous one I’m calling this a draft version but I don’t think there’s anything to fix.

This one doesn’t have any rearranging - NFB found elegant ways to smooth out the audio over the gaps. The only slight negative about this edit is you lose the instance of the radio noise over the Andor logo in episode S02E05 that carries the audience through into the episode - but it’s no great loss at all.

Season two is now in progress.

The first movie is rendering now, coming out at 02h11m22s. That’s episodes S02E01-S02E03, with some sensible reordering designed and executed by NFBisms at the transition points. He’s slid the scene of Cassian in space backwards by a few scenes - so now it’s not immediately following him flying to space, and also not working as an episode opener (cool but now unnecessary), giving us more time away from Andor after he does leave Yavin, and also now backing directly into his radio call with Kleya. It works better than the original this way.

I’ll get that uploaded ASAP - would anyone like a “preview” of it? (I’m pretty certain this will also be the final version of this movie.)

Onwards to movie six, from episodes S02E04-S02E06!

That’s essentially the plan, yeah. NFB said he could help on this one too- we’ll probably end up with a mashup of Hal’s plus NFB’s audio with a few tweaks.

Faelin said:

EddieDean said:

• I might also release two additional versions of two of my movies, for age appropriateness in different directions. The first, for adults, would be the “fuck the empire” version of the last movie of season one. The second, for children and those for whom it would be a step too far, is a version of the first movie of season two which removes any references to the attempted assault on Bix. I don’t want to deny the horrors or reality of sexual assault or its genuine association with authoritarian regimes, but I can understand people not wanting to have to face that in their Star Wars and would like to give them the option.

I like the idea of a version that removes the SA related scenes, but not as a children’s edit, but as an edit that is accessible to people who might find such content to be distressing.
An actual “children’s” edit might be something that makes Andor flow in with Rebels more closely in tone and style, perhaps revoicing mon mothma’s speech to be that as seen in rebels.

This latter idea might be, however something better suited for a different project.

Agreed in principle- Andor’s not ideal for kids either way. Definitely the primary audience would be adults wanting to avoid potentially uncomfortable content. That said, my daughter’s nine, and I reckon she could just about enjoy Andor, but I definitely wouldn’t want that scene in for her.

And yeah, changing Andor to suit kids completely is a far different project, and would probably cut a load, which isn’t really what I’m trying to achieve.

Agreed on trimming “little sister”, I thought that too. Baze and Chirrut were only lightly developed characters in what was an ensemble movie, but as a continuation of Andor they’re arguably even more minor, and the implication that this relationship has any meat to it is more distracting than cute.

I’d keep the Vader content though, Andor’s now transitioning towards the Original Trilogy so more Tarkin and Vader I think is important at this point for continuity flow.

I also wonder if it’s sacrilege or not to merge some of Andor and Rogue One? I think it would likely put people off, because it’d make this edit only compatible with itself, and I don’t think these would necessarily add value, but still, I’ll put it here for consideration.

I’m thinking around areas like:

• Introducing Krennic/Jyn earlier. There might be a place where the Rogue One opening scenes of Krennic hiring Galen, and Jyn fleeing until her discovery by Saw Gerrera, could be placed as a flashback bridged by present day Krennic and Saw scenes. That’d leave the flashback of Jyn as a child on Coruscant in her home with Galen and Krennic to work as the dream-flashback in Rogue One to remind us that this is the same character, and bring us back to the present. But likely, this idea wouldn’t work as it’d leave us multiple movies before returning to Jyn.
• Introducing Bodhi just a little earlier. Perhaps in the final arc of Andor, when we’re talking about Saw definitely being on Jedha, having Bodhi captured by Saw’s group, and then interrogated by Saw, in that episode. But again, probably not a value add.
• Shifting the shot of Bix and baby Andor to the very end of Rogue One, just pre-credits, as that final spark of continued hope.
• Maybe a couple of other scenes from the Andor finale into Rogue One, the ones that lead into the Tivix plotline.

…but I’m not super excited about any of these ideas, as I say, they’re just here to be considered.

I agree with those calling to reinstate the Andor/Tivik scene.

I’d also argue the following:

• I think it’s now worth reinstating Cassian’s instructions from Draven to kill Galen Erso. As you argued originally, it was to keep the audience in Jyn’s perspective and related to her line on trust. But in retrospect now we’re coming from the Andor show, I think its inclusion adds more value, by adding more tension to their mission earlier, given that the Andor we know is off to do something perfectly reasonable given the context but that will put him in conflict with our newly introduced focal/vital character.
• I’d remove the scene of Jyn climbing up out of the records vault and having to dodge a slicing door that’s for some reason on a weird open-shut timer. I don’t think it adds any legitimate threat, and only comes off as a bit goofy tonally.

ildiem, I like your suggestions, thanks! Messenger is great. Genocide is… maybe too spoilery to be a title? Perhaps ‘Flashpoint’?

I think I’ll most likely call Rogue One simply “Andor - S03E01 - Rogue One”, and name the project “Rogue One: The Andor Movie Omnibus Finale”, for the clearest possible communication of wot it iz.

What an incredible series. I just watched the full second half, followed immediately by Rogue One. Excellent to the last.

The plan:

• Season two is an easy fix. Some extremely light restructuring at the break points will be all that is sufficient. The only thing I thought might be slightly tricky is I think between episodes 8 and 9, which both had Cassian at his Ghorman plaza window but with slightly different tones, and between episodes 11 and 12, which both featured the assault on the safe house but also a lowering of tonal energy in the episode break. But I’m sure there’s an answer.
• I’ll put a bit more work into Rogue One. I’d like to use NFBism’s idea of Rogue One’s music over the most Andor-compliant version of the movie. That’ll probably be Hal’s version (no Bor Gullet, yes most franchise links) plus the Rings of Kafrene, with NFB’s Andor music, potentially with further polish and new music from Andor season two, depending on how much he’s up for that.
• I think it’s probably not sacrilege to make small changes to Rogue One, unlike how it would have been for Andor. I might take this just a little further, and make a few more tweaks to keep Rogue One as movie #9 of Andor Omnibus. One of these would be slightly making Jyn less of the main character. This would be extremely light touch, but I’m thinking of scenes where Jyn arrives on Andor and kind of immediately becomes the Rogue One leader - I don’t think Cassian should say “I volunteer” when he’s comfortable just outright disobeying rebel command and leading a team. I really don’t want to take anything away from Jyn’s character here - I really enjoyed how she actually comes off as a bit overzealous and undercautious compared to Andor’s more cautious combatants, which can now be justified as her being trained by Saw - but I just want to keep the tone a little more consistent and respect as much as possible of Andor’s new characterisation from the Andor show.
• I might also release two additional versions of two of my movies, for age appropriateness in different directions. The first, for adults, would be the “fuck the empire” version of the last movie of season one. The second, for children and those for whom it would be a step too far, is a version of the first movie of season two which removes any references to the attempted assault on Bix. I don’t want to deny the horrors or reality of sexual assault or its genuine association with authoritarian regimes, but I can understand people not wanting to have to face that in their Star Wars and would like to give them the option.

Yeah, Rings of Kafrene is essential bridging content now.