EddieDean

I’ll do everything in time. I’m just going to focus on what keeps me most motivated.

Good to be back!

I think that consensus feels right, I’ll steer clear of the movie in that case, so people can pick and choose. The four episodes for the Siege of Mandalore tell a story in two or three parts, so I think I’ll go three just because it fits nicely around both the newbie and veteran viewing of Revenge of the Sith. And it just lets me focus on the quality of the stories themselves (not that I’ll make any changes to those episodes beyond cutting them together, since they’re already perfect).

There’re already lots of supercuts to suit any taste.

RELEASED - S03E07 - Slaves of Zygerria (V2.0)

• RELEASE VERSION.
• Our seventh episode of season three. (Note: This release nudges the three following episodes which I’d already produced up by one, check the spreadsheet for clarity.)
• Comprising the original episodes Slaves of the Republic and Escape from Kadavo
• Running XX minutes.
• DOWNLOAD LINK is in the tracker spreadsheet, PM me for access.
• Note: It’s recommended that you download this before watching, rather than streaming it directly from Google Drive.

This is the second two episodes of the Kadavo slavery arc, which fits into a gap I had in season three. It’s basically a good two-parter that’s not top tier but is a perfectly good all-rounder, with our core four characters all getting good development, bonus Plo Koon, a good enough slavery plot, good use of Dooku, and decent action.

I ignore the first episode of the original arc entirely- too much time wasted fighting droids, defusing bombs, and fighting creatures, and Obi-Wan’s near-subjugation isn’t as good as the real emotional battering he takes in the third episode, so isn’t necessary. As much as that episode’s fine, it’s not a popular one, so I don’t think it’ll even be worth the inclusion as a bonus episode. (Correct me if you disagree!)

Noteworthy changes:

• The episode is titled ‘Slaves of Zygerria’ because that’s cool enough. (I was going to call it ‘Slaves of Kadavo’ until I realised that Kadavo is actually a different planet in the story only seen in the final third.)
• The opening crawl bypasses the excluded first episode, giving the context for Zygerria, the implied interest of the Separatists, the missing colonists, and the spies that’ll be mentioned right at the start of this episode. I didn’t emphasise the Togruta because their relevance as Ahsoka’s species isn’t a major feature of the episode.
• One minor dialogue trim to cut a reference to the excluded first episode.
• A clean transition between the two episodes I used here, skipping us over some dialogue that’s redundant when the content is now back-to-back.

So, very little new here, but a decent episode for easing me back in to editing after a break! It technically completes season three, though the rest of season three is still only at v1.0 standard (which is fine, just a little less refined.) I also noticed that it’s the first actual new episode I’ve released in a year (almost to the day), since I shifted my focus then to polishing the existing content. I’ll try now to keep up with both new content and polish.

Onward to the first of season four and the return of Maul.

As the next episode renders, I’ve been thinking a little about structuring the finale of the show.

I think there’re three options here:

1. You prefer to watch a RotS/Siege of Mandalore combination fanedit, such as Delpheas’. In this case, you do that (and there’s no work I need to do to enable that, hooray).
2. You prefer to keep RotS as a complete un-interrupted movie, or want to watch your own preferred RotS fanedit. In this case, I need to simply cut the Siege of Mandalore episodes into the TCW:R style, with appropriate breakpoints to fit around RotS.
3. You’d prefer it if RotS was broken into episodes of TCW:R that could intercut neatly with Siege of Mandalore, roughly chronologically, but with sensible lengths of episode, and without merging animation and live action in a single episode. In this case, I need to produce a small number of RotS episodes (in the TCW:R ‘branding’) that break at the appropriate points.

I think, for the Siege of Mandalore content, that there are three main chunks of content:

1. The first episode, and beginning of the second, until Maul escapes. This part references that the Chancellor has been captured, leading nicely into a time gap that the beginning of RotS can fit into.
2. The fight with Maul and his capture, from the second episode. This part references that Anakin has been asked to spy on the Chancellor, and Obi-Wan’s about to go to Utapau, giving you a good 50-minute chunk of RotS to fit in before.
3. The third and fourth episodes. They begin with the ‘Plot to destroy the Jedi’ conversation from the movie, so should happen after that. They reference a lot of scenes from RotS - including Anakin’s fall and Order 66. For this reason it’s probably sensible to play them AFTER RotS concludes.

On that last point though, you COULD possibly have RotS’ Plot to Destroy the Jedi, Anakin’s fall, and Order 66, up until Obi-Wan returns from Utapau, and THEN cut to the conclusion of Siege of Mandalore (with the ship crashing on the ice planet), and THEN have a final episode of RotS with Obi-Wan and Anakin on Utapau and all the wrap-up. That might hit a bit harder, so I’m interested in thoughts on that. The issue with that would be that you’d then want to have the two epilogue scenes from Siege of Mandalore (Ahsoka and Rex digging graves, then Vader finding her lightsaber) at the end of the live-action conclusion to the movie. And doing it that way would mess with the people who prefer to just watch the animated episodes as one, wrapped around RotS - I’d have to make two versions of the final episodes.

I think, probably, that cutting RotS into episodes might be the wrong way to go, because that way I have to choose an edit to use for RotS, which won’t satisfy everyone. If I simply cut Siege of Mandalore into three episodes, then the first episode comes before RotS, and the third comes after RotS, and the second one can go either before or after depending on how the viewer wants to play it. (It’s probably best after for a first-time viewer, but before for someone who knows the movie).

Interested in thoughts here.

I’m still a big fan of modifying her interaction with that woman at the end using TFA dialogue:
“Who are you?”
“None of your business, that’s who!”
–cut to credits–

I’m not quite sure how I feel about the idea, accounting for the likelihood of upcoming media potentially laying more retroactive groundwork for Palpatine’s return, but as the execution goes I think this is great, and resource-efficient.

You might want to complete the idea by having Palpatine’s false image morphing back into Snoke at the moment of his death too.

In your absence, AlaskanSandman, we did a bit of a deep dive into TPM over here. You might want to check it out in case there’s anything there of interest to you for your edit!

I’ll eventually do everything except the very worst episodes- in my spreadsheet you can see all of the extra ones I’ll do (their episode numbers are blue-on-black or yellow-on-black).

I’ve reviewed Citadel a few times and it just falls flat for me every time. I know it’s got Anakin/Tarkin, and Echo dies, but it’s a lot of inconsequential travel for extremely light character work.

That said, do try to convince me! If there’s something I’m missing- some great element I can focus an edit around- I’m all ears.

Since so many people mention it, I could do that episode early, maybe just a really light touch merging of the three episodes plus the conventions of TCW:R. Just cos y’all are cuties.

Alright, I’m back on the job! As per my previous post, I want to get some brand new episodes complete before I return to polish.

First up is the Kadavo slavery arc, which fits into a gap I had in season three. If you ignore the first episode of the arc altogether, it’s basically a good two-parter that’s not top tier but is a perfectly good all-rounder, with our core four characters all getting good development, bonus Plo Koon, a good enough slavery plot, good use of Dooku, and decent action.

You could easily start with the second episode, which I will do.

The first episode is quite worthless- too much time wasted fighting droids, defusing bombs, and fighting creatures, and Obi-Wan’s near-subjugation isn’t as good as the real emotional battering he takes in the third episode, so isn’t necessary.

There are three scenes that I could have included from episode one: Dooku capturing the togruta, Anakin’s posse finding them missing, and the Jedi Council giving Anakin’s posse the mission to rescue the togruta from slavers. But I think they’d only slow us down when the crawl can get us there quicker, and this way our energy stays higher for what’ll be a fairly long episode anyway.

As for the two remaining episodes, they barely need any work. A little merge between them, and the removal of a couple of shots (not even scenes) should do for us.

In the crawl, I might choose to reflect on the fact that the clones could be interpreted as Republic slaves, but only in a light way, since it’s not a heavy plot thread in the show.

This episode could have been bumped into season four, if I was going to include Citadel, but I really don’t think that arc is valuable even in spite of Tarkin’s presence and Echo’s (super throwaway) death.

That said, this episode does have similarities to my following two-part finale, the Onderon arc. The aesthetics, themes of rising up against oppression, and prime ministers betraying their monarchs all appear in both. So I might move this just a tad earlier if there’s room.

Anyway, it’s going to be an easy edit this one. Then it’s on to the first of season four and the return of Maul.

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Sorry for the lack of post or anything. I am alive and well and I am still working to get this finished. That being said, there were definite set backs and things to still get over but things in life have returned to normal enough to get back to this.
I suffered a computer crash during the pandemic that I didn’t have the available funds to worry about at the time. I eventually got a workable computer but not a good computer, just something I could go online with. Not anything that could do any real work though. I eventually was able to buy the parts to start building a better computer that was more than fast enough to handle everything I was doing. I still need to get some extra storage space in the next week or two, but after that I should be able to get back to work. The biggest thing to see still is if my old hard drive is still accessible as a slave to retrieve my old work files so I don’t have to start from scratch again. If I do have to its not the worse thing in the world for me as at least the work flow should go much faster than before. Im pretty sure the hard drive should be ok though.
I apologize for the absence but needed to focus my time and energy elsewhere during the pandemic and couldn’t justify getting a suped up computer at the time. I hope everyone else is doing good and I appreciate those who have shown interest in my edits. Soon as I can get some new content posted I absolutely will.

Your fanedit sounds great but could you go one step beyond if possible do two major things with this update the cgi with modern cgi and if possible update the lightsabers to look the way they do in the sequel trilogy because I think the effect is perfected in the sequel films it’s too bad the original trilogy lightsabers can’t be updated in that way. 😦

Somethings I will be trying to update as much as possible. As far as the Lightsabers, I am updating somethings to look more similar while one thing for sure, I am not. I am trying to add as much light cast from the sabers as I can, but as the old scenes were not filmed with an actual light up saber prop, there is only so much you can do in post. As for what im not changing to match, is the core of the saber. I don’t like the way it looks in Mandalorian when they swing the saber. This is more accurate to how a lit object being swung would look, I just don’t like it. I like the intense white core from the Og and prequel films that leaves a white streak when swung.

The only reason I asked about updating the cgi is things unreal engine 5 etc. really blew my mind and also the fan film vader when Vader goes to Naboo outside the palace of naboo looked better than it did in both ep 1 and 2. so yeah that made me sad lucas didn’t make the prequels later than he did in someways.

Yea I’ve seen some great stuff between Blender and the Unreal Engine but I don’t want to oversell myself just yet with no time or experience with them at the moment. I certainly would like to and I picked up the other stuff rather quick but we’ll see 😃

I hope you will be able to know use one or both of them one day for the prequels because it would be such a huge improvement for them this is what I also wish could be done for the good original trilogy cgi scenes. like cloud city the good parts of mos esley being expanded the Death Star assault using the original cuts song for jabba’s palace but just updating sly snootles and the return of the Jedi victory celebration keep the trash monster blinking I think it wasn’t a bad addition and remove the rest. maybe keep the Ewoks blinking I don’t know how I feel about that change.

I wouldn’t ask another editor to pick it up because it’s such a huge undertaking, but you’re right that we’re nearing consumer-available photorealism - especially of environments - with Unreal 5. Some of the environments they use in The Volume for filming the live-action TV shows use Unreal 5. I’d always swing in this direction, but maybe in the next breather when the dust settles on the current movies and TV shows, we should collectively try to deep dive and upskill in some of the new technologies. Unreal and Blender are free until you start making money off them, which is an awesome model for us editors.

I’m suprised that there appears to be such momentum behind editing Kenobi, because I’ve found it near flawless so far. Perhaps that’s just a lack of imagination!

I definitely agree with a couple of tweaks mentioned here though - both regarding editing. The Leia capture definitely felt like she got away far too easily and for far too long, so I’m all for a quick sneaky sack on the head. And like others here, seeing Obi-Wan escape from Vader screen right, but then re-emerge in the next shot screen right, did make it look like he realised he forgot his keys and needed to dash back to grab them off the kitchen table.

And with all respect to Hal as ever, I feel like it’s worth revisiting the discussion about the Padmé’s survival canon conflict. The Obi-Wan show might do some work to reconcile Padmé dying in childbirth with Leia’s memories of her - perhaps Leia mentions that she dreams of her “as if she’s still with me” or something. But if that doesn’t happen, and the conflict remains, then I think it’s worth establishing which side of the conflicting information carries the most ‘canonical’ weight, and which must yield. And if that’s the case, then I think we can safely argue that Padmé’s death in childbirth is the more canonical, having been explicitly shown in a movie, and referenced here. Back when the conflict only existed between two films, it made sense to yield to the cultural weight of the original trilogy, but now, no new media is going to imply she survived, and more yet may continue to reference her death. I don’t think it’d be wise for us to be beholden to the idea of her survival, and to be encouraged to remove all new and future references to her death. Rather, I’d propose that the logical option here would be to simply remove the conflicting line from ROTJ, in spite of the cultural weight of the original trilogy. Pluck that rock out of the stream and allow the water to continue to flow in the direction it appears to be naturally going.

That’s a stunning idea.

This’d be a VFX solution, but what if Starkiller just obliterated most of what looked like almost the entire Republic fleet, rather than anything to do with a planet? That way you preserve all the political infrastructure, but leave the Resistance as the only real military throughout the films, before the Republic military recovers in time for the sequels.

This would also explain why it’s a civilian fleet that’s needed at the climax of TROS.

As I think we all know, JJ originally wanted to destroy Coruscant, but was told not to, presumably for exactly this reason, so that everything that preceded his movie wasn’t just casually undone.

What would make the right ‘trilogy’ for the Rey Nobody version?

Both Nev’s TFA Starlight and Poppa’s TLJ Rekindled leant into the Palpatine angle, adding hints and forward references, but that makes them less suitable to precede a TROS Nobody finale.

Probably TFA Legendary, but I’m less familiar with TLJ edits.

Oooh, very interesting!

Just a couple of thoughts “from the outisde” now, Nev:

In the “one-shot Kyber cannon” scene, I feel like my line needs to be just a fraction earlier, for better lipsync.

(Though I’ll also definitely record new and alternate lines once we’ve compiled a list.)

In the “senate has voted” scene, I think my voice needs to be pulled a little deeper, to better match your “kyber cannon” line tweaks. I’m a little high-pitched by nature and the deeper voice better suits that actor’s face, I reckon.

Also, I’m just wondering if there’s any other reading that might best lipsync to the delivered line.

The original is “The Jakku village was wiped out”, and the most clear lip movements there are “aa-oo-ee-ws-wap”. The letters ‘w’ and ‘p’ have similar movements to ‘m’, ‘n’, ‘b’, and ‘t’, and some of the vowels are similar, so maybe for the part where he’s on screen, the best fit would be “A senate transmission”. (Try voicing it yourself over the muted clip, it matches well.)

“General? A senate transmission. They’ve voted to mobilize the fleet, but are hours from launch.” -perhaps?

Or “General? A senate transmission. The Republic fleet is mobilising, but is still hours away from launch.”?

Just realised I have a perfect tagline quote for this edit: “Your focus determines your reality.”

Anyway, just a minor update for you all: I’m just wrapping up some of the key things I was needing to get done in my life during my downtime from this project. I’ll be back to editing full time in about two months, I think. It was a much-needed pause, and I thank you all for accommodating it.

I’ve been thinking about where in the project to first focus my energy - and I think my appetite right now is to get cracking with all-new episodes rather than polishing existing ones. I’ll continue with the polish, but I’d like to drop a few more brand new episodes on the scene first before finding more of a balance there. That feels the most motivating to me, which I think is a sensible priority!

Cad Bane has a lot of good lines you could probably use, from both Clone Wars and Bad Batch, though Temuera doesn’t voice Boba in either show.

Interestingly, their main rivalry (as referenced in Book of Boba Fett) isn’t (yet?) seen on screen properly. It was originally intended to appear in an unfinished episode of Clone Wars (some of which does exist voiced in rough form, I think?), but they didn’t complete the episode. It may be that those ideas get revisited for a forthcoming episode of Bad Batch.

I mean, I’m totally open to redo any line if Nev or the community prefer.

The reason I liked “kyber” is mainly because it makes Starkiller’s link to Ilum that much closer, and it’s a nice tie to Rogue One and other recent canon that makes kyber more of a thing.

Going down the headcanon rabbit hole, you could even use the modern idea about lightsaber (kyber) crystal ‘bleeding’ to explain why the beam is red rather than the Death Star’s green (which could then take you even further down the rabbit hole of asking how powerful a Sith you’d need to ‘bleed’ a planet of kyber).

Plus, I think having it described as something unfamiliar and distinct helps it flow nicely with Snap’s next line about not knowing what to call it.

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No, no, I think there’s an argument to be made for bringing the Originals in line with modern aesthetic standard of the other two trilogies for consistency. Nobody on this forum is gonna advocate erasing the original cuts, so where’s the harm in it?

I fall on this side too. I think there’ll always be a place for both- the originals as untouched as possible, out of respect for the immense effort that went into their release; and that which brings the aesthetic to par with more modern movies.

It is really nice. It could also be something that fits during the Mortis arc as part of the vision sequence there.

It’s no trouble at all to keep recording lines! I already plan to redo what we have while looping the video so I can give lots of attempt at perfect lipsync. It’s no trouble, and alternate lines or emphasis suggestions are welcome!

There’re lots of good online tutorials to make ‘Star Wars Droid Sounds’. Generally you get a human voice first, then apply whatever modifiers distort it. If you had someone doing simple “yayyy” or “awww” sounds that they think fit D-O, then you could play with a few distortion options until we found the voice.

Admiral Ackbar, then?

I haven’t had the time to record the new lines yet, but taking Sherlock’s idea, what if we even name-check Admiral Raddus in TFA?

“General, the Senate has voted to approve reinforcements. Admiral Raddus is mobilising the fleet.”