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Post: #241395
Topic: Poll: Do You Think the OUT will be Released Again in '07?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241395/action/topic#241395
Time: 5-Sep-2006 12:22 PM

Originally posted by: Sluggo
^^True. I think the OUT's will be available again, the only difference is this is the only time we will be able to buy them as single movies. I also am sure we won't be seeing the '77 version of Star Wars again (if it is the actual version, which doesn't look likely), it will be "A New Hope" from now on if it is released as an OUT disc in the future.

Yeah, and I really do wonder if that is part of the ploy too with the whole "Limited" thing. "Well this cleaned up, anamorphic version of the OUT doesn't have the original crawl so it's not technically the theatrical version like the 09/12 release was..."

And at the time of this post, the votes are overwhelmingly going to "No". Interesting...

Post: #241388
Topic: Poll: Do You Think the OUT will be Released Again in '07?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241388/action/topic#241388
Time: 5-Sep-2006 11:00 AM

I think this whole "bonus material" crap is a test, and the way Lynne Hale's response is so carefully worded ("The 1993 Laserdisc masters represented the best source for providing the original versions as DVD bonus material"), leads me to believe that they will have new transfers done of the OOT as non-bonus material .

VERY good point, Mielr, and I too get the impression that one probably should read between the lines with his statement.

Post: #241385
Topic: So, this is how the DVDs are going to look...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241385/action/topic#241385
Time: 5-Sep-2006 10:45 AM

Originally posted by: Mentasm
Bloody hell, Fox really didn't want me to open those DVDs! I don't know about anyone else, but the security stickers on mine were really tacky, and left loads of residue on the cases. I just spent ages using sticky tape to get it off a piece at a time. I'm in work at the moment so the only copy of PowerDVD I have is some useless cut-down Dell version, but first impressions of the transfers are not good. I'll see how they stack up when I get home.

Looking forward to hearing what you have to say then...

Post: #241292
Topic: Poll: Do You Think the OUT will be Released Again in '07?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241292/action/topic#241292
Time: 4-Sep-2006 10:24 PM

I'm not worried about the sound really, and 2.0 is fine with me. What does bother me *somewhat* is the whole not being anamorphic thing...

Post: #241207
Topic: Poll: Do You Think the OUT will be Released Again in '07?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241207/action/topic#241207
Time: 4-Sep-2006 4:49 PM

Oh and one more thing: someone I know recently said to me that they thought for sure this will be it for the OUT. When I asked why they thought that, they said, "Because it says it is a limited release. Just like the 'Faces' set, what they said was it for the OUT for a long, long time." I told them that "Limited" is just a play on words and this doesn't mean a thing. If they release the OUT again they could easily say that what was limtied about 09/12 was A) the packaging B) the fact that it was bundled with the SEs C) that they could be purchased seperately. If they wanted to be really, really dirty they could say that it was as close to the original as they could get because it wasn't anamorphic, 5.1 sound, cleaned up picture, etc.

I really put nothing past that man/his company anymore and I take everything they say with a grain of salt. After being told the '04 DVDs were SW (and keep in mind I was expecting the '97 SEs and was fairly okay with that) but then learning of even MORE changes, I lost what little hope I had left...

Post: #241202
Topic: Poll: Do You Think the OUT will be Released Again in '07?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241202/action/topic#241202
Time: 4-Sep-2006 4:38 PM

I'll put my $.02 in:

One part of me thinks he will add the OUT in the '07 box set (IF there is even one; I am starting to have my doubts about that, though) but it will be the exact same thing in the 09/12 release. I really don't see Lucas dumping the money into something he supposedly wishes wasn't even around anymore. On the eve of the next format taking off and replacing DVDs, I think IF they decide to do a better OUT releases it will be for the next format. But the part that really sucks is it took how many YEARS to get these on DVD, so how many more will we need to wait?!?

Also, I really think Lucas and company are a little shocked at just how good some of the fan edits are. To me this is evident with the menus they are using and how close they look to some of the fan edit's menus. I could really hear Lucas saying, "If they want this to be anamorphic, someone will do it, but I'm not going to waste my time..."

But then another part of me looks at the last few years and I see the '04 SE release, the '05 SE release, and now in '06 the SEs are released AGAIN! What is to stop them from doing the same exact thing next year and years to come with the OUTs? I HIGHLY doubt the marketing whore Lucas is will let something as momentous as the 30th anniv. pass on by with nothing. Plus, Lucas is releasing a sub-par product on 09/12 IMO and it is STILL selling well so I am sure he will take notice to this and the fact that if he does a better OUT release, it will sell.

I don't know what to think anymore, and that's what bugs me...

EDIT: And I am wondering if this OUT was even Lucas' idea in the first place, and if people in his company actually talked him into it. If this is the case then it clearly shows dissention in the ranks, and maybe they will be able to push for a proper OUT release.

Post: #241175
Topic: Poll: Do You Think the OUT will be Released Again in '07?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241175/action/topic#241175
Time: 4-Sep-2006 3:10 PM

Just trying to get a feeling of the general consensus here...

Post: #241008
Topic: So, this is how the DVDs are going to look...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241008/action/topic#241008
Time: 3-Sep-2006 10:35 PM

Yep, another typical Lucas release where very little makes any sense. I am seriously wondering if they outsource all of their work to hermits who have no clue what SW is LOL. i.e. still putting EP IV on the bonus disc...Luke's blue light saber on the ROTJ inside cover art...

As more time passes, the "Bonus Disc" label on the OUT discs affects me less and less. In fact it sort of makes it more special, as a bonus is always something good.

Post: #240891
Topic: So, this is how the DVDs are going to look...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240891/action/topic#240891
Time: 3-Sep-2006 2:11 PM

Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Dude, they're soft subtitles. The exact position can differ from player to player.

Dude, I didn't know the difference so hence why I asked for clarification. Not everyone on these boards is an expert in home theatre technology...

Post: #240884
Topic: So, this is how the DVDs are going to look...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240884/action/topic#240884
Time: 3-Sep-2006 12:06 PM

Originally posted by: Harlock415

Originally posted by: ESHBG

Back on topic, the only time i don't zoom in on letterboxed material is if it does, indeed cut off so much of the subtitles that they are unreadable. (on the starwars laserdiscs, it cuts off the bottom portion of the letters, but enough is visible that you can still read it, even if you don't have the lines memorized by now...)

Hmm, I didn't even think about that one. I am wondering if they will put the subtitles in the actual picture (you know, exactly where the "original theatrical version" would have them *ahem*) or down in the black like they did with many of the versions.

Can somebody who's seen the DVDs confirm for me where the subtitles are located?

They are soft subtitles, so they are not directly on the film. So for me when I zoomed in the pic to fill my screen, I lose the subs for the alien languages. Even with the XY scaling of my Momitsu.

Of course, the subtitles for the LD were hard subbed. So I guess the masters did not have subtitles burned into them.

Thanks, Harlock415! So just to clarify: the subtitles are in the letter box's lower black part?

Post: #240875
Topic: So, this is how the DVDs are going to look...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240875/action/topic#240875
Time: 3-Sep-2006 10:39 AM

Post: #240794
Topic: Episode V: What Has Changed?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240794/action/topic#240794
Time: 3-Sep-2006 12:31 AM

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I know, I just don't get it?!? SOME of the "improvements" are actually improvements. But many look so much worse to me and they should've just left it alone. Who the heck did they get to do the work?!? It seems like they screwed up a lot more than they fixed...

Post: #240792
Topic: Selectable crawl on new DVD? Or just the old one?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240792/action/topic#240792
Time: 3-Sep-2006 12:26 AM

Originally posted by: boris

Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"On the subject of the crawl, no it is not selectable, and why should it be?"

The fact that you have to ask such a question goes a long way towards pointing out that these are not the boards for you, not that this much wasn't obvious to everyone else here.

It's advertised as including the "1977 Theatrical Edition". I think they're just avoiding a slippery-slope... if they put on a selctable crawl, why not selectable technical glitch fixes as well? Why not selectable special edition changes? ...

Agreed.

Post: #240683
Topic: So, this is how the DVDs are going to look...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240683/action/topic#240683
Time: 2-Sep-2006 2:18 PM

Originally posted by: bactaOT
It is weird how the softer image does feel more like Star Wars than the 04 DVD?

Yeah, totally. IMO the digital crap LFL uses makes everything seem a little too real, too sharp and very, very cold. It's almost as if your brain can't process it and automatically labels it as "fake", so a sense of warmth is lost. That is exactly why I hate too much CGI in movies. PT = a good example of too much. LOTR = close to the perfect blend IMO.

Post: #240678
Topic: 2006 OT DVD: Poll: So What are You Going to Do?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240678/action/topic#240678
Time: 2-Sep-2006 1:15 PM

I must say that I have noticed that since the screen shots came in, the "Buying them" percentage shot way up.

Post: #240606
Topic: So, this is how the DVDs are going to look...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240606/action/topic#240606
Time: 2-Sep-2006 1:20 AM

Not bad at all! Yep, I am definitely buying these...

Post: #240538
Topic: Selectable crawl on new DVD? Or just the old one?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240538/action/topic#240538
Time: 1-Sep-2006 8:36 PM

You guys got it all wrong: the R was capitalized because that was Lucas' original vision.

Post: #240245
Topic: Selectable crawl on new DVD? Or just the old one?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240245/action/topic#240245
Time: 31-Aug-2006 11:37 PM

Originally posted by: Mielr
If this is indicative of what we'll be getting on the DVD, then they definitely didn't just remove the "a new hope" header. Notice the formatting of the text- it's completely different. "DEATH STAR" is on one line in the '77 version, on TWO lines in the '04 version:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c229/queen1970/5.jpg

Yeah, and what is funny to me about all of that is it makes way more sense for "DEATH STAR" to be on the same line than "planet"; IMO the formatting was way better the first time around.

So yeah, EVERYTHING should've just been left alone LOL

Post: #240220
Topic: Selectable crawl on new DVD? Or just the old one?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240220/action/topic#240220
Time: 31-Aug-2006 10:11 PM

I think it is the ACTUAL '77 crawl. Check this out for further proof.

Post: #240162
Topic: Price Wars
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240162/action/topic#240162
Time: 31-Aug-2006 7:28 PM

Not better, but about $20.00 each is not bad. Star Wars' shop is selling all 3 for $59.99.

Post: #240106
Topic: Selectable crawl on new DVD? Or just the old one?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240106/action/topic#240106
Time: 31-Aug-2006 4:44 PM

Alright, I'll take a stab at this:

ESB - Top is Official, bottom is EditDroid

Star Wars - Top is Official, bottom is EditDroid.

They are pretty close, though, and it was very hard for me to tell! And whichever version it may be, I actually think the bottom ESB one looks better.

Is EditDroid's anamorphic?

Post: #240030
Topic: NO OOT Box Set?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240030/action/topic#240030
Time: 31-Aug-2006 3:12 PM

$90, so an extra $30 for just the tin? Hardly worth it IMO. And I say "just" because you can get all 3 movies directly from starwars.com for $59.99 right now or Amazon.com for $53.61 (just to name a few).

Post: #239972
Topic: Selectable crawl on new DVD? Or just the old one?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/239972/action/topic#239972
Time: 31-Aug-2006 12:17 PM

I get even more excited with each screen shot, and the picture quality looks great (again, please keep in mind I am comparing it with what I thought it was going to be). I am now about 90% towards buying the 09/12 DVDs now.

The '04 pics do look sharp, but man, that blue-ish tint has got to go! I don't own those DVDs and never really saw them so this is all news to me...

LOL @ the purple asteroid! I too am wondering how all of these mistakes got through...missing music, light sabers that are the wrong color...wtf?!? Which brings me to:

Is it still really all that surprising that these OUT DVDs are not anamorphic? If a company can release its masterpieces on DVD with so many obvious mistakes yet still stand behind them, than it is no longer surprising to me in the least. Also, I HIGHLY doubt we will ever see these mistakes corrected (or if we do, it will be years from now). Rather, I think the company will explain away these problems via artisitc vision, "Oh that was the saber's crystals changing colors with the Force...", etc.

Post: #239952
Topic: So, this is how the DVDs are going to look...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/239952/action/topic#239952
Time: 31-Aug-2006 10:47 AM

Originally posted by: StarWarsIsUs
I'm not pissed they aren't anamorphic.

At least GL didn't give us a DVD version of the full-screen pan-and-scan OT. And you guys thought it couldn't be any worse. Believe me ... it COULD BE.

You know, that is very true and I never even thought of that *shudder*

Post: #239951
Topic: Sending the SEs back
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/239951/action/topic#239951
Time: 31-Aug-2006 10:25 AM

Originally posted by: skye_solo
I'm not quite sure yet. I'm in this thread to see which address other people might be sending to. I wasn't planning on buying the movies at all for a while, but then I came to the conclusion after much pondering of the history and facts of the last decade, and decided Lucas has proven that he can't be trusted, so I'm buying them after all and sending him back the SEs.
I TOTALLY agree re: Lucas not being trusted! I think we will see the OUT again, but it won't be for quite some time and on the next popular format....I've waited long enough! I'll take non-anamorphic widesceen DVD over nothing anyday. My Faces WS VHS are not worn out yet but getting there, and I'd like to preserve them as best as I can.

Originally posted by: darkhelmet
Originally posted by: Darth Editous
Maybe we could send all our SE discs to one of the more artistic forum members, who could make them into a sculpture of Han firing first

LOL!

You know, I was so pissed off at Lucas for all of this, but, you know, I wonder if sending the SEs back to Lucas would really accomplish our goal. I mean, if all we really want is the OUT on DVD, is insulting his preference for the SEs really going to accomplish anything but make us his enemies? Just thinking out loud.

Nah, never mind. He threw the gauntlet down when he made that idiotic statement for that MTV.com article about how this release of the SEs w/the OUT as mere bonus material would PROVE "...whether they really wanted the original or whether they wanted the improved [sic] versions".

Well if the screen shots in the other thread are any indication, I think Lucas' plan backfired. I imagine the reviews will say something like, 'Other than the fact that these are not anamorphic, the picture quality is fine and more than suitable if you are looking to watch the OUT once again...". Those who didn't buy and are waiting for the reviews will probably do so then. This will push the sales up...and Lucas will see first hand that people want the OUT.

Guys, the more I ponder this the more I really think sending them back is a bad, bad idea and won't accomplish a thing. Instead, donate them to a charity or something and take a picture of it (or better yet, get some of your friends together to do the same and see if the local media will do a story about it; send the transcripts to George). Write a short letter to Lucas telling him why you got rid of it and WHY (the most important part) you felt the need to buy the SW movies yet again. This will prove to George that:

1. You bought the set strictly for the OUT.
2. You are a classy bunch of people, and taking a bad situation and making it good.

Yes, there is the argument of, "Well you are giving George what he wants and making the SE version more widespread." But you are GIVING it away so he didn't make a dime off what could've been another sale. If 1000 people do that, that is 1000 SE discs he didn't sell!