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#241764
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Poll: Do You Think the OUT will be Released Again in '07?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241764/action/topic#241764
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So just so I have this straight (I've never seen it) "Empire of Dreams" shows the original crawl and the shots of the OUT throughout appear to be anamorphic? I just watched a video of the opening crawl from EOD and I noticed one distinct difference btwn. that and the video I just saw of the 09/12 release: the EOD letteirng is more of an orange color, and 09/12 is very much yellow compared to that. This would indicate to me that there was some cleaning/touch up/whatever done to the footage shown on EOD.

Yeah, I feel that something is in the works for the OUT for sure...

And does anyone else sort of feel like Lucas is the Emperor, and there are people in his company that are the Rebels, leaking footage to us in various ways to give us a heads up that there is something planned...a code of sorts...

"Many LFL employees died to give us this cleaned up, anamorphic OUT..."

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#241758
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241758/action/topic#241758
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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
Originally posted by: lordjedi
I only remember doing a doubletake because it was the 77 poster art and not the crap gold or silver box I was use to seeing.

You've just described the three disc boxset that eliminates the bonus disc.

Again, until the 12th, the titles have never been available individually from Fox or Lucasfilm.

Neil

I love how you say this with such confidence, like you know for an absolute fact that this is the case.

Oh well, I guess we will ust have to agree to disagree on this one, Neil.
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#241747
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241747/action/topic#241747
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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
You're all mistaken and or delusional. I'm going to file this discussion along with the ones about "A New Hope" being there in 1977 and 1979, Biggs being in some prints of Star Wars and Luke throwing the hook twice.

Neil

LOL nice try, Neil. Numerous people from all over the U.S. have SEEN the movies sitting on the shevles (and in my case, actually picked them up to look at the backs b/c I never purchased the '04 boxed set so I had no clue [other than pics] of what the individual DVDs looked like) of these big stores with our own eyes but we are "delusional". The next time I am in one of these big stores and I see them sitting on the shelf, I will take a picture for you, okay? lordjedi, Obi Jeewhyen, please feel free to do the same.

Although I imagine, Neil, you'll find some way to write that off too. "See, you are all 'delusional' so you all must've formed a plan to place the DVDs there yourselves and then take a picture of it...".

I must say that I am surprised that you would be shocked at the fact that Lucas is feeding us BS and/or bending the truth. After the countless examples over the years of doing just that, why is this all so hard to believe?!?
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#241738
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So, this is how the DVDs are going to look...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241738/action/topic#241738
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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
Originally posted by: ESHBG
Gee, I am so shocked that LFL is bending the truth yet again.

They're not. You're both wrong. What you're buying at Amazon is from a dealer who is breaking the boxset apart. Fox and Lucasfilm never issued the films individually.

Neil

But what about Circuit City, Best Buy, etc., Neil? Those obviosuly aren't from dealers who broke the boxset apart because they are IN THE ACTUAL STORE. I would imagine a retailer of that size would need permission from LFL to do such things.

Again, I really think this is simply a case of Lucas allowing them to be released individually right out of the gate, and hence the reason for the words used in the official response.
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#241724
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241724/action/topic#241724
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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
From the official e-mail sent out from Lucasfilm...

We hoped that releasing those “original” movies on a bonus disc would be a way to have some additional fun with the debut of the movies as individual DVDs.


Neil

Well apparently they lied, as I was able to buy them individually since '05, lordjedi can buy them at his Best Buy, and anyone can get them off of Amazon.com. Again, maybe it was up to the individual retailers and this is simply the first time LFL is doing a world-wide individual release right out of the gate.

Gee, I am so shocked that LFL is bending the truth yet again.
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#241714
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241714/action/topic#241714
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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
The DVDs were never available separately before. That's part of the big deal about this release.

Neil

Well they sure were here in this part of the US (PA). I saw them in Circuit City, Best Buy, etc., etc. In fact, it was even advertised a few times in local sale ads when they first did this. I don't know where lordjedi lives but he just saw them a few months ago too.

This is just proving my point yet again, though: all of these releases and zero fuss and not even a blip! zero fuss and no blip = zero sales...IMO Lucas is getting desperate. His cash cow isn't that important anymore because he has screwed up soooo many times, and I think his company is finally talking some sense into him...it's only a matter of time!
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#241700
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241700/action/topic#241700
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Originally posted by: gltaylor74
Originally posted by: ESHBG
My response in another thread, but since I brought it up here too I will share my results:

--Okay, I found a non-anamorphic, letterbox DVD (and it was a 2001 Fox release too, imagine that *yawn*). The movie was shot in 2.35:1 so it was a great comparison. In my component mode, it keeps it letterboxed and it does NOT scale it any bigger to fill more of the screen. But since I have a DVD/VCR combo I could actually switch to the AV mode and still play/watch the DVD, and in that mode I can select the "Zoom" options to fill more of the screen. Quite honestly, I didn't really notice much difference in picture quality and I was satisfied with viewing the movie in that mode.

So yeah, I am still on the fence about getting the 09/12 DVDs but feeling *slightly* better about it all. I still don't know what is going through Lucas'/LFL's head, though. Maybe they figure with the technology out there today they can take the easy route, as most (all?) widescreen TVs, DVD players, etc., have a zoom feature. No excuse, though, no excuse...--


You may want to check out an older player, the Panasonic RP91. The RP91 can take letterbox material and "scale" it to 16x9 format. This allows you to keep your display in it's widescreen, or Full, mode. The Full mode is used with anamphoric material. The panny of course doesn't make the letterbox true anamphoric, but it does a good job and the big thing is keeping the display in Full mode where you don't get geometry distortion. They can probably get got pretty cheap now days. It is component only at 480p, no upscalling or anything.

Thanks for the info!

Re: the SEs, I still can't help but think maybe we all are missing the big picture and the opposite of what we think is true. My point:

1. '04 SEs are released on DVD in a box set including a 4th bonus disc. MANY fans are upset about the obvious video/audio screw ups and even more changes to the films. I know more people that DIDN'T buy them vs. did (myself included) or have since sold them.

3. Early '05, the DVDs can be purchased seperately. If the boxed sets sold as well as Lucas wanted, this wouldn't have been necessary until much, much later.

3. They are repackaged and resold in late '05, just in time for the Christmas season; but this barely made a blip on the radar and didn't sell very well at all.

4. 09/12/06 SEs are released AGAIN, this time A) they can be purchased seperately (again) with no boxed set and B) they inlcude the OUT. Inlcuding the OUT is guaranteed to bump sales up, moving the SE stock.

So that is 3 years in a row now they had to use different methods to try to sell the SEs! Of course the argument is there, "Well they are just milking the cash cow for all it's worth," and this may very well be true. But I say the proof is in the pudding so to speak, and a company that sells a solid product will not have to result to crappy repackaging, sub-par "bonus discs", etc., to push its stock. Let's take LOTR for example. They are re-releasing the DVDs this year BUT they come with really nice packaging, both versions of the films, more bonus footage, etc., etc. It is obvious to me they aren't selling to get rid of stock, they are selling a brand new, well thought out product!

So yeah, maybe we got this whole thing all wrong and are looking at it skewed. The SEs are the ones that aren't selling well, so now they need to use the OUT to sell them! Imagine the iorny in this folks! Plus, this method will now expose an entire group of people to the OUT that may have never seen it before. Some may actually say, "Hey, this version makes way more sense!", actually prefer that version and ask for that on future releases..

I firmly believe with each passing day and more thought that this is all blowing up in Lucas' face.

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#241640
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241640/action/topic#241640
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Dot crawl is a whole 'nother beast.

"I hope and pray that the X0 version doesn't have it in its crawl..."

Sorry...

BTW, excellent post from TF.n:

Um, are people so naive to think that this is done out of anything other than profit-reasons? The reasons for this release were very clearly explained to us by various representatives of Lucasfilm. To sum up the points of the history of this release, per the marketing department of Lucasfilm:

-the initial idea was to release the 2004 OT-SE yet again, but this time the draw would be that you could buy them individually
-probably because they realised that nobody in their right mind would buy this--and encouraged by the failure of the 2005 re-release--Jim Ward thought it best to present to Lucas the concept of finally releasing the OOT, as it is something that Ward had been wanting to release on DVD for some time; the profits lost to LD bootlegs was also a strong selling point in their pitch
-inevitably, a new transfer was not done and Ward was forced to salvage the 1993 laserdisk tapes, undoubtedly implying that Lucas agreed that they should take back the profit lost to bootleggers but refused to spend a dime on the new product; the laserdisk master would inevitably nullify the bootleg market since it is equivalent to an "Official bootleg" and so this was deemed acceptable for release
-because the quality of the OOT was so poor, the sales tactic was inevitably shifted to the OOT as "bonus" feature; Steve Sansweet then reported something to the effect that this release was not for the die hard fans but for those who don't care about which version they own

so to sum it up: this release started as yet another way to sell the same product, and the OOT was initially attached to give extra marketing leverage and eliminate lost profit due to bootlegs. It is also not for die hards but for those who "dont care about which version they get" (who assumingly don't really care for the OOT and already have the OT-SE from 2004 and 2005--which actually makes this entire release quite illogical). So no, it was never about "caring" about "fans" about customer satisfaction, or anything like that--it was about money. Thats all it is. Lucas doesn't actually care about OOT fans. If anything, you should honestly thank Jim Ward for this because it was he who spearheaded this release and "had been begging Lucas for years" to release it--but Lucas inevitably trumped him and forced him to release a 1993 laserdisk transfer.

That is an excellent post! Just goes to show that some people in Lucas' camp are getting sick of his antics. Maybe, just maybe, they will be able to put the pressure on him even more and a proper restoration will happen....some day....


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#241627
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241627/action/topic#241627
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My response in another thread, but since I brought it up here too I will share my results:

--Okay, I found a non-anamorphic, letterbox DVD (and it was a 2001 Fox release too, imagine that *yawn*). The movie was shot in 2.35:1 so it was a great comparison. In my component mode, it keeps it letterboxed and it does NOT scale it any bigger to fill more of the screen. But since I have a DVD/VCR combo I could actually switch to the AV mode and still play/watch the DVD, and in that mode I can select the "Zoom" options to fill more of the screen. Quite honestly, I didn't really notice much difference in picture quality and I was satisfied with viewing the movie in that mode.

So yeah, I am still on the fence about getting the 09/12 DVDs but feeling *slightly* better about it all. I still don't know what is going through Lucas'/LFL's head, though. Maybe they figure with the technology out there today they can take the easy route, as most (all?) widescreen TVs, DVD players, etc., have a zoom feature. No excuse, though, no excuse...--
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#241626
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Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241626/action/topic#241626
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Thanks again, Laserman!

Okay, I found a non-anamorphic, letterbox DVD (and it was a 2001 Fox release too, imagine that *yawn*). The movie was shot in 2.35:1 so it was a great comparison. In my component mode, it keeps it letterboxed and it does NOT scale it any bigger to fill more of the screen. But since I have a DVD/VCR combo I could actually switch to the AV mode and still play/watch the DVD, and in that mode I can select the "Zoom" options to fill more of the screen. Quite honestly, I didn't really notice much difference in picture quality and I was satisfied with viewing the movie in that mode.

So yeah, I am still on the fence about getting the 09/12 DVDs but feeling *slightly* better about it all. I still don't know what is going through Lucas'/LFL's head, though. Maybe they figure with the technology out there today they can take the easy route, as most (all?) widescreen TVs, DVD players, etc., have a zoom feature. No excuse, though, no excuse...

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#241610
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Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241610/action/topic#241610
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Originally posted by: Laserman
ESHBG - It depends what you mean by does it make the picture clearer.
If you have a widescreen TV then the picture will almost definately look better if you create an anamorphic version 'offline' and play that back on your widescreen TV.

The reason is that you can scale a picture well or poorly, or anywhere in between. A widescreen set has to scale a letterbox image to display it properly. This means it has to do it in realtime so it uses a (usually cheap) chipset to do that. The result is usually not that great.
If you use software to make an anamorphic version first, then you can use really good scaling algorithms that would be too complex to do in real time. This means that instead of the image being poorly scaled by the TV, you send it the already (properly) scaled image and so get a better picture.

This is why a lot of people with high end TVs, projectors etc. buy a lumagen, terranex or other high quality 'outboard scaler' because it does a much better job of scaling the input to the display's native resolution and Aspect Ratio than the TV itself is capable of.

If however you were watching in letterbox mode on a standard TV, then an anamorphic version created from the letterbox version may look about the same or actually worse - unless the original letterbox version was overly soft and gained some improvement from any other video processing you did to it during the conversion to anamorphic.

But in absolute terms straight scaling an image from letterbox to anamorphic doesn't automagically add in any lost detail, so doesn't make the picture clearer - but if you need to watch it on a widescreen TV then the image will almost certainly be clearer than watching the letterbox original, unless you use an equally as awful scaling algorithm as the one in your TV.

Thanks a lot for the info, Laserman, it is a HUGE help! Here is something I just said in another thread:

---Well this adds one more monkey wrench into things for me and now I have to see what will happen: I just found out that I CANNOT zoom in on my picture with my TV due to my setup. I just checked the manual and it clearly states that the only settings that can be used when the DVD player is hooked up via component (which mine is) are "Wide" and "4:3" (in addition to those options I have "Panorama", "Zoom1" and "Zoom2"; I was planning on using "Zoom1" to fill the screen more if need be).

Now I am DYING to see what happens when I pop these DVDs in! It seems rather silly for me to not use my component setup just to watch SW, zoom in and get an even crappier picture...

FYI I have a Samsung DLP (16X9 of course) and a DVD player that lets you choose a 16X9 option, so maybe this won't be that big of a deal...maybe my DVD and/or TV will scale the picture as best it can?!?---

So what happens then? Will my TV and/or DVD player scale the letterboxed image to fill more of the screen or will it keep it the same, with rather large black bars on the top/bottom (vs. anamorphic)? I guess I'll just have to wait and see...

Man, I sure wish this release was anamorphic! Then I wouldn't have to worry about any of this crap!
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#241595
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241595/action/topic#241595
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Thanks for the info, MeBeJedi!

Well this adds one more moneky wrench into things for me and now I have to see what will happen: I just found out that I CANNOT zoom in on my picture with my TV due to my setup. I just checked the manual and it clearly states that the only settings that can be used when the DVD player is hooked up via component (which mine is) are "Wide" and "4:3" (in addition to those options I have "Panorama", "Zoom1" and "Zoom2"; I was planning on using "Zoom1" to fill the screen more if need be).

Now I am DYING to see what happens when I pop these DVDs in! It seems rather silly for me to not use my component setup just to watch SW, zoom in and get an even crappier picture...

FYI I have a Samsung DLP (16X9 of course) and a DVD player that lets you choose a 16X9 option, so maybe this won't be that big of a deal...maybe my DVD and/or TV will scale the picture as best it can?!?

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#241579
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Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241579/action/topic#241579
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Originally posted by: Laserman
Well, the problem is going to be that because it will be on DVD for the US anyway it falls under the draconian copy protection legislation.

For other countries where maing your own backup is legal, then it may be worth it if you have a widescreen TV that doesn't have a good scaler built in.

Then you could do it for free using avisynth/virtualdub. You could just do a resize and perhaps a limitedsharpen

Question: Would this actually make the picture sharper, or does it just make the picture you already have anamorphic and nothing more? I guess my question is does anamorphic in itself make a picture better, or do you have to make the picture better first and the term anamorphic simply means the act of filling a widscreen TV with as much info as it can?

(I sure hope I made sense LOL).
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#241566
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241566/action/topic#241566
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Originally posted by: AgenKolar
Originally posted by: ESHBGwhy exactly are you sorry?


I was sorta hoping that the bonus discs were going to be noticeably inferiour to the fan edits, which would then hopefully force Luca($h)s into making a proper anamorphically restored OOT set.

Oh, I see!

Mielr: Yeah, exactly, it looks like it was run through a projector. Why would it appear this way on a DVD, though? Did they actually run it through a projector to put it on DVD?!? LOL
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#241561
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Info Wanted: Anyone Planning on making Anamorphic versions using 2006 OUT DVDs?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241561/action/topic#241561
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Disclaimer: total novice here to the technology, so hence all of the questions!

Or is it not even worth it? If it is and you do plan on doing it, will having the 09/12 OUT DVD actually make things any easier? What software will you be using to do it? When can we expect to see the anamorphic version? Anyone get the discs early and already started?

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#241547
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241547/action/topic#241547
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AgenKolar, why exactly are you sorry?

Originally posted by: Mentasm
I can't access MF.com from work either. Anyway, the clips I uploaded over there are in xVid format and look better than they probably are in the real world. One thing that you can't see from the Star Wars clips is the telecine wobble, which is quite distracting. There's a lot of grain, and many, many film artefacts. On the plus side, the colours are less cartoonish than the 2004 releases and the audio isn't screwed. The sequels do look better than SW does, which is to be expected. Try these links.

Opening Crawl
Han Shoots Greedo
The Chimplady Emperor
Hayden Christensen No More!

I am at home and able to see them at MF.com, and man, is that wobble DISTRACTING!!! Why the heck would they leave it like that?!?

Uh oh, I just watched the ESB and ROTJ clips there too and there is a slight wobble on them also (though no where near as great as the SW opening crawl). And you are right, Mentasm, there is A LOT of noticeable grain (FYI I am viewing them on my 17" LCD monitor), so I can only imagine how noticeable it will be on my WS TV...

The jury is still out for me and I will probably need to do what I suggested in another thread: rent them first and watch them on my TV before I make my decision.



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#241510
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Poll: Do You Think the OUT will be Released Again in '07?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241510/action/topic#241510
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Originally posted by: AJ
I have been thinking a lot lately. I have the set all pre-orded on amazon.com and all but am thinking about canceling. Why? Because if the OOT is just released again in the 30th ann. set next year I will be very mad, and I will be getting that set irregardless because I know they are going to be fixing up some other things as well. So what I am going to do, and what I suggest others do, is to hold off on this release, (unless you know you would never get the 30th ann. set) and next year when the 30th ann. set comes out, and if it has the OOT as part of it, in any capacity, then you've saved money. If it doesn't happen to have it, you will still be able to buy it as used off of amazon or ebay. Used things on amazon are normally very cheap, and not even always used.

But if this does turn out to be truly limited, then used items will end up being pretty expensive by then.

I readily admit that I keep going back and forth...one day I am about 90% for buying it, another day I am 90% for NOT buying it because I do feel something better is probably in the works. If the OUT got this far (which is really leaps and bounds when you stop and think about how against it Lucas appears to be), odds are it is going to get farther. Movie studios and companies are not doing the business they once did, and with Lucas being as greedy as he is and needing the $ to fund future projects, I HIGHLY doubt he is going to let any possible money maker slide by...

I think I am going to wait until all the reviews are in and then rent them so I can see how they look on my 16X9 TV. But ask me again tomorrow and I will probably tell you I am getting them regardless LOL
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#241416
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Poll: Do You Think the OUT will be Released Again in '07?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241416/action/topic#241416
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Originally posted by: Ozkeeper
Just a quick suggestion for you for next time when you make a poll, if what you are looking for is a semi-accurate result.

Make the poll balanced. Don't give one side variations of the same answer, or your results will be skewed.

There is one No option, and two Yes options. You asked a simple question, then split the Yes vote with specifics.

Actually, I wanted to see how many people thought we would get the same version, a cleaned up version or none at all, and hence why my poll asks those specific questions.

Thanks a lot for the input, though!
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#241411
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Poll: Do You Think the OUT will be Released Again in '07?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241411/action/topic#241411
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Originally posted by: THX
from Lynne Hale, Lucasfilm Publicity
We want you to be aware that we have no plans – now or in the future – to restore the earlier versions.
That's pretty unequivocal.

True, but my counter to that is:

1. LFL is a big company, and one hand typically does not know what the other is doing.

2. We have heard COUNTLESS times that we would never see the OUT again, yet here it is.

3. What exactly constitutes a restoration? Does simply making it anamorphic count, or releasing it on the next medium, or... count? Maybe he is simply saying that there are no tenative plans to clean it up and remove garbage mattes, clean up the picture, fix the special effects that are off, etc.?

I woudn't take anything said from anyone at that company as gospel...
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#241404
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/241404/action/topic#241404
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I checked out a few of the reviews on Amazon.com for SW EPIV and here are two that stood out:


I happened upon the new DVD at a retailer who put it out too soon.

The 1st disc is the exact same disc that came with the trilogy box set released in 2004, so nothing to report there.

The 2nd disc is the reason anyone is buying: to see the original version of the film that won over the world in 1977, before an insecure George went back and mucked it all up with visions of CG bouncing in his head.

THE NEGATIVE: It is not an animorphic transfer, and the print on this disc did not benefit from any of the restoration performed in the mid 1990s. You'll see film-grain, some edge-aliasing, specs of dust, and a scratch or two. The audio is in plain old Dolby 2.0.

THE POSITIVE: Dinosaurs are not roaming the streets of Tatooine. Greedo never shoots. One of the aliens in the catina has glowing eyes.Alderaan and the Death Star don't look like Saturn while they are exploding. Jabba and Boba Fett will have to wait a film or two to make their appearance. And the John Williams' amazing score during the Death Star battle, which was drowned out in the new mix for the Special Edition DVD, is right back where its supposed to be.

In other words, everything you loved about Star Wars is back even if it doesn't look and sound as good as it could, it is still a damn fine presentation, and I for one will not bother watching the Special Edition version again.

************

I just finished watching the original version DVD's of the first STAR WARS film (and about half of EMPIRE), and I have to say that it looks better then any of the bootlegs that I've collected over the years of the original cut of STAR WARS, but unfortunately, it still doesn't hold a tea cup to the picture quality of the newly remastered mess of a revisionist version that Lucas keeps trying to shove down our throats (coincidence, I think not...)

The picture, for the original version, has a slight, but almost ever present, veil of grain to it (probably the result of trying to up convert the Laserdisc masters, that is supposedly the source being used, to the DVD format) as well, the colour balance is tilted slightly to the red spectrum, making people look like they have bad sunburns at times.

Also, STAR WARS and EMPIRE original version disc's cover art seem to have been conceived by a different person then that of JEDI, because you get these crappy art montages for STAR WARS and EMPIRE, but for JEDI, they use an alternate poster art, which is what they should have done with all of the discs, seeing as the original poster art is saved for the newer recut version discs (which is the same tired disc that Lucas has been trying to cram down our throats for years now, ever since his newer trilogy made it necessary to go back to the original films, and change things to reflect his newer version of events from the past... Confused yet?)

Is it worth the money to buy these new discs, well that depends on just what kind of STAR WARS fan you are, if you can stomach the changes to the films that Lucas has made, and already own the first incarnate of the DVD's, then probably not, but if you're tired of bootlegs with questionable picture quality, and can get past the grainy picture of the new, original version DVD's, then it's a no brainer...


They both still gave it 4 stars, though LOL