In other words, kindly remove those links, NoobDude.
EDIT: Argh, too late, but you got the message anyway ;)
dvdmike said:
CatBus said:
team_negative1 said:
It's not clothing. Not a release date (Still way too soon for that). Not another print. Not more screenshots. It's from an idea one of the original member of the group had.
Team Negative1
If it's Star Wars cut & timed to match the Dark Side of the Moon, we're all going to be very disappointed.
speak for yourself
Okay, fine. But Funky Cold Medina would be way better.
team_negative1 said:
It's not clothing. Not a release date (Still way too soon for that). Not another print. Not more screenshots. It's from an idea one of the original member of the group had.
Team Negative1
If it's Star Wars cut & timed to match the Dark Side of the Moon, we're all going to be very disappointed.
JayArgonaut said:
It's irritating alone for repeating the wildly inaccurate claim that the Jar Jar Binks character is offensive to Caribbean people. My parents and extended family are from the Caribbean and none of them sound even remotely close to Ahmed Best providing the voice talent for an alien species...
To be fair:
Racist stereotypes often have very little resemblance to the people they portray, so the "extended family" test is not a good one. For example, could I say that certain historical European imagery can't possibly be anti-Semitic because real Jews don't actually have horns on their heads? Same difference, when you're dealing with racism, the real world need not apply.
So you have to have some prior knowledge of racist imagery before you can truly say something resembles it or not. And frankly I'm not very briefed on racist depictions of Caribbean people, so while this is the Internet and all, I don't feel qualified to offer an opinion on that.
Heh, no. IIRC, Team Blu's DVDv3 and Bluv1 went NTSC,NTSC,PAL. Bluv2 will be NTSC,NTSC,NTSC.
Isn't this fun? But in the long term, NTSC seems to be the way to go.
IIRC:
Harmy's 1.x series used frames from NTSC,NTSC,PAL (in trilogy order)
Harmy's existing 2.x series accidentally used frames from PAL,PAL, but after discovering this, he did not release "fixed" versions because the difference was so unnoticeable in the first two films.
I believe all of his future releases of all films will use frames from the NTSC GOUT.
Bingowings said:
It's hard to get character growth and plot development without what is being called universe shrinkage.
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I really would be more wary of a set of films that went out of their way to avoid obvious connections with the prior films than worrying about universe shrinkage.
You make some very good points, and I think the main problem is that the term "universe shrinkage" is an objective-sounding term used to mask more subjective criticisms like "ridiculous coincidence that doesn't add anything to the story or character development" and "adding more depth to a story or character that I'm already sick to death of". I apologize for my part in waving the term around needlessly.
To me, it's quite likely that this PT character is a needless tie-in, tied to the prequels only for the sake of giving the prequels a nod, much like "young Greedo" was in the PT. This is independent of his value as a character, which may be significant with or without the tie-in (could some other previously-unknown character have pranced and frolicked just as effectively as young Greedo? Definitely). It's also certain that I'm sick to death of any story or character that was introduced in the prequels and don't want to see any more of that. That's a much more subjective and honest assessment than just throwing around the term universe shrinkage, so thanks Bingo for correcting me on this.
Arnie.d said:
So at most there is 2 frames difference. That's something like 80ms, right? Is that like even visible?
Depends who you talk to, what the audio in question is, and if the audio leads or follows the video.
In my experience, with the sync differences in Star Wars, 2 frames is right at the edge of perceptible, 1 frame isn't noticeable. With 2 frames, I only notice on dialogue that's spoken by someone who speaks quickly and moves their mouth a lot (i.e. Harrison Ford), not on any other dialogue, sound effects, or music. Since the 2-frame difference in ESB is after Solo's already frozen, I don't see it. The 2-frame difference in Jedi, on the other hand, I can. YMMV of course.
dan76 said:
It won't have any impact if it was just a character who was mentioned in previous films.
My vote - Boba Fett. Just you watch...
It would be quite the troll if our leaker called the character "from the Prequels" but it turns out it's a character who first appeared in the OT, but then also appeared in the prequels. While that may be preferable to an actual PT character, it'd still be taking Universe-shrinkage to sillier and sillier levels.
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Tobar said:
CatBus said:
Well sure, but the PT tie-in is unnecessary to accomplish this. Why not have Max Von Sydow play some entirely new character, instead of an elderly, decrepit Boss Nass? The fact that there's so much distance between the ST and the PT is an "all clear" signal to the writers that the trainwrecks of the past can be ignored altogether. Instead there's more of this "unified saga though unnecessary cameos" BS we get from the Special Editions. It would be unified enough just by not too explicitly contradicting anything from the previous films.
I think that bullet point was just written weirdly. I don't think Von Sydow is supposed to be a character that we know from the PT. Just that he was around at that time. But if he is, my votes on Kitster! =P
I dunno, man. While the rest of everything could work out fine, I can see no way to interpret this that doesn't end up neck-deep in suck.
The contention is that he is an existing character from the prequel films, and the revelation of his identity will shock viewers.
Presumably, his identity would be already known enough to viewers to shock them when it's revealed. So either it's a presumed-dead-but-actually-not PT character, or a presumed-irrelevant-but-actually-not PT character, but the only guarantee is that, if this is the case, disappointment will overwhelm any shock felt.
AntcuFaalb said:
CatBus said:
But instead we get bitter half-robot Sebulba collecting Jedi scrap off eBay. Great.
Among other things I'm an archivist, collector, and nostalgia whore, so I'm pretty excited to see a representation of someone like myself in the ST. I think this is an excellent tip-of-the-hat to the "original" Star Wars fans and it's what I'm looking forward to the most.
Well sure, but the PT tie-in is unnecessary to accomplish this. Why not have Max Von Sydow play some entirely new character, instead of an elderly, decrepit Boss Nass? The fact that there's so much distance between the ST and the PT is an "all clear" signal to the writers that the trainwrecks of the past can be ignored altogether. Instead there's more of this "unified saga though unnecessary cameos" BS we get from the Special Editions. It would be unified enough just by not too explicitly contradicting anything from the previous films.
AntcuFaalb said:
If the following is true, then I'm really fucking excited despite what I've said in the past. http://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/2nyd64/rumor_potential_4chan_episode_vii_leak_possible/
Still not excited. While there's always the possibility for a good film to be strung between all of the plot points mentioned, that's far from certain. And frankly the revelation that something from the PT is even acknowledged in the ST shows a lack of judgment that could show up elsewhere--I mean, it's four movies later, decades have passed, and all the PT characters and plotlines could very well be left for dead, without even implying an insult to the fans of those movies. But instead we get bitter half-robot Sebulba collecting Jedi scrap off eBay. Great.
DuracellEnergizer said:
I still hate that godforsaken lightsaber to the deepest inner core of my soul, though.
Would you still feel that way if it was exactly the same, but mauve or chartreuse?
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Summary of changes?
danny_boy said:
I would have to disagree with the definition of the special edition as constituting a fan edit.
Harmy did not work on the original production of star wars in 1976....by all accounts....he was not even born!
Lucas,Muren,Hart(who cut the negative on ESB and ROTJ) and Burrt were all involved in making those original flicks......and yeah they vandalized them in 1994-1997.....but they are not "fan editors".
You don't think they're fans of their own movies? That's harsh ;)
Well, actually, Lucas has recently said things that sound like he's no longer a fan of these films, but I think it's fair to assume he was once a fan of them.
Just kidding, mostly. I was pointing out that it's a matter of semantics, which means there's plenty of room for alternate interpretations. It's perfectly reasonable to say fan edits exclude edits done by the original production crew, I just don't buy into that.
I think putting the word "fan" in front of "fan edits" is often used as a way to marginalize/demean the quality of the work, when I feel we have plenty of examples of fan edits with notably better technical execution and fidelity to the spirit of the originals than edits done by the studios. And also because I don't think any particular post-release edit is any more legitimate than another. Neither the Special Editions nor Revisited are The Real Thing (although one of them is trying to pass itself off as such)--in my mind, who created them is irrelevant to that basic fact. For that reason, I do rather intentionally lump all post-release edits into the same bucket, for better or worse.
70mm please 70mm please 70mm please oh please.
danny_boy said:
When I ask Conheim if there’s a Honus Wagner card of film prints, he names the British Star Wars, processed in Technicolor. It doesn’t fade, he says. “They were still using that process in England up to 1977 or so. Those are really sought after, because even the original negative has faded.” A Technicolor print of Vertigo is also valuable. “I saw one sell for $10,000 two or three years ago.I’ve never seen a Star Wars British version for sale. I know two people who have them. One guy is so freaked out it’s going to be a disappointment he’s never opened the box it came in. I’ve been standing in front of the box with him many times, he’s like, ‘I’ll get there.'”
Yes, we're very lucky to have so many members with access to these prints. We already knew that, but it's good to hear you say it, even if using someone else's words (and, FWIW, the prices have gone up since your quote).
It's definitely a semantics thing. I consider Harmy's to be a fan restoration, which is a subset of fan edit in my book. I also consider the Special Editions to be a fan edit, just one that's neither as enjoyable nor as well done as Harmy's.
My favorite part is:
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Because it shows the original post had imperfections, perhaps ones that made it difficult to read, that were found and fixed.
I'm surprised anyone who's been here this long could have missed out on these developments, but I guess if you're actively avoiding fan preservations, you'd miss a lot of what's going on here. FWIW, every claim of IB print ownership has been quite thoroughly backed up already, although the legal gray area of print ownership does mean it's not trumpeted loudly enough for everyone on the planet to hear. Feel free to keep pretending it's not true if that suits your fancy.
Thanks, I've made such "probably inaudible" improvements myself, so I understand the itch to fix such things. I'd appreciate the PM whenever you have the time.
EDIT: Nevermind, even with my tragic Internet connection, I was able to snag the updated files.