CatBus

schorman13 said:

Ok, as I was checking a few things out with some of the mixes for Jedi, I found a couple of errors with the Audition files for the 1993 mix and the 1993 Commentary track.  Since it seems the NTSC versions are more appropriate now anyway, I've updated the torrent and have reposted.  All of the LD rips are identical and should check out with the new torrent, if you've started downloading already.

So wait a sec... are the 93 NTSC syncs in the new torrent the same as the PM'd ones or different?

Thanks again--this is a completionist's dream. Well, my sort of completionist, at least...

You can always PM the links.  I think posting the links is discouraged.

You wouldn't be able to knock off NTSC-synced ROTJ mixes for someone who's not deeply familiar with Audition, would you? Best 83 and 93 is what I'm looking for.  I'm sure I can manage if it's not something you can do (as if you haven't already done plenty for us!)

Listening to the synced tracks, so far so good.  In fact I'm pretty sure I'm going to toss out my own syncs of the ROTJ stereo mixes in favor of yours.  Also planning to give the SW 85 and 93 mixes a listen, and the ESB 93 mix, will likely have more feedback later.

Also, FWIW, future preservations of ROTJ are switching frame references from PAL to NTSC (yeah I know, don't blame me).  Which means your ROTJ tracks sync just fine with everything right now, but they'll need modifications for DeEdv2 and Team Blu, etc.  No big deal--I actually made some quick and dirty NTSC-synced versions from your PAL versions for just this purpose--but I wanted to give some warning.

Hello new user titl... er, nevermind.

In spite of my own personal ambivalence about this, and the fact that IANAL, I should point out that all public performances, even nonprofit performances, should first get permission from the copyright owner, etc etc.

I'm assuming Surf Warrior got all required permissions in advance (probably for the Special Editions, but that's likely good enough), and so his fundraiser was entirely kosher, but I didn't want anyone reading the above and thinking you could just show the DeEd at a public event without going through the proper channels.

The Spleen is back up, seed before it goes down again! ;)

I think my new role here is to provide Frink with new titles... which is actually fine by me.

I'm insinuating that Frink doesn't limit his offtopic posts to sanctioned offtopic forum*, but I've been known to be oblique.

* But with threads like Harmy's, who needs offtopic?

TV's Frink said:

Says the guy with a sense of humor who never uses it in off topic. :(

Says the guy who's annexed the rest of the forum under the flag of the Grand Duchy of Offtopic.

TV's Frink said:

CatBus said:

Hal 9000 said:

TV's Frink said:

I think we need a parroty thread in off topic.

 May the cracker be with you.

Agreed, the ST could really use a cameo by Sheriff J. W. Pepper.

 I guess I need to start that thread so you guys understand it has nothing to do with parrots.

It will by the time we're through with it. BRAWK!

Hal 9000 said:

TV's Frink said:

I think we need a parroty thread in off topic.

 May the cracker be with you.

Agreed, the ST could really use a cameo by Sheriff J. W. Pepper.

m_s0 said:

CatBus said:

Maybe he's hoping George will bid on it so that he can burn it.

Nah, he's way too busy ensuring Disney gets Ep VII right to bother with this sort of stuff.

He's got a fever, and the only prescription is more Jar-Jar!

Maybe he's hoping George will bid on it so that he can burn it.

Edited my post while you were posting.  You're probably right, we'll get a 4K SE release, so we can have just a little insult with our injury.  Doesn't figure into an OOT release at all, although it would maybe be a better source for our restorations.

darklordoftech said:

CatBus said: they ALREADY have "Star Wars" HD masters, no new scans needed.  They can milk that 2011 release via streaming/broadcast licensing indefinitely at no additional cost (I think they recognize that further physical media releases are not really going to go very far, but they probably attribute that to "our brave new streaming world" and not "our version of Star Wars blows").  To them, these 2011 films are Star Wars.  Why re-scan what you already have?

Are you aware that they already rescanned in 4K?

AFAICT that was already in the pipe before Disney came along.  Disney has done nothing, and could very well do nothing with that scan too. But you're right--they could pay to keep that project going since it's partly done, and then they'd have a 4K SE master for relatively cheap, which I don't think is very helpful in the whole OOT release department, but maybe it's give us some better raw materials for restorations.  Small favors I suppose.

Wazzles said:

CatBus said:

...and the only thing tipping the balance in favor of an OOT release is treating historically important films with respect, which Disney hasn't thus far indicated is much of a factor to them.

That's with their own properties, though, and even when they change them, it's mostly the same thing. There are no dramatic story differences of added effects, just digital color and animation. I see no reason for them to restore Star Wars in the same way, since it would be more expensive than just doing an IP scan and a conservative dash of DNR.

Oh, I agree they won't add further changes on the scale of what Lucas has done, because if nothing else there's no ego to feed.  But the fact is, they can get a Special Edition Blu-ray for a lot cheaper than they can get an OOT Blu-ray.  If the people in charge don't give a damn about film history, they ALREADY have "Star Wars" HD masters, no new scans needed.  They can milk that 2011 release via streaming/broadcast licensing indefinitely at no additional cost (I think they recognize that further physical media releases are not really going to go very far, but they probably attribute that to "our brave new streaming world" and not "our version of Star Wars blows").  To them, these 2011 films are Star Wars.  Why re-scan what you already have?

darklordoftech said:

RicOlie_2 said:

...The average person doesn't even know about the SE, never mind care about the controversy...

It's not a matter of what the average person thinks (most people don't remember the prequels and those that do think that "Sith" is Palpatine's race and call Anakin "Luke"), but rather it's a matter of if there are enought fans to make a difference in the sales and whether or not the average person has any desire to re-buy the blu-rays.

I have to agree with RicOlie_2 and others on this. As far as fans of the OOT go, there may be quite a few of them today, but there's fewer every year.  By the time Disney gets around to even considering an OOT Blu-ray release, the math behind such an undertaking may not actually add up (even if it does today), and the only thing tipping the balance in favor of an OOT release is treating historically important films with respect, which Disney hasn't thus far indicated is much of a factor to them.  I'd put the odds at less than 50/50 now and dropping every year it continues to not happen (until the copyrights expire and then the odds suddenly jump to 100%, assuming the sun hasn't gone nova by then).

I should note that I'm a pessimist by nature and I am occasionally pleasantly surprised.  However, if I thought there were decent odds on a respectful Star Wars release within my lifetime, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing, so there's a benefit in pessimism.

Also, the odds vary depending on what you'd call an OOT release.  The odds are best on a release with the 1993 audio, and 1981 crawl, so even under my most pollyanna happy daydreams, we still need to hold onto those Laserdisc audio rips and 1977 crawl/flyovers for reconstructions.

unamochilla2 said:

How was the GOUT advertised back in 2006? Was it advertised as being the theatrical version of the films or the 2004 films with the theatrical versions taking the back seat?

I don't know about everywhere else, but around here (Pacific Northwest, USA) it was advertised as having the theatrical versions, period.  You wouldn't necessarily even know it also had the Special Editions included, which added, I believe, to the shock and disappointment people felt when the "theatrical versions" turned out to be lackluster bonus material rather than the main feature.

That said, I think that's due to the marketing people not necessarily getting the memo that the theatrical versions were to be treated like something you found on the bottom or your shoe.  They saw something truly unique and marketable about this particular release of the Special Editions, and they marketed the hell out of that aspect, to the degree that you'd be forgiven for thinking there was nothing else in the release.

Wow, 91GB! If you're looking for ways to break this up, you could do per-movie, or break it down further by per-mix-date.

Looking forward to hearing that digital theatrical Jedi mix (and many others, I'm sure)!

Don't minimize it.  Using "autist" as a derogatory term was simply outside the realm of basic civility.  While this doesn't excuse threats of bodily harm, it was the first punch, as it were.  The mods have spoken.  Chill, move on.

Although to be honest, A-words in general do seem to be a trigger for Easterhay.  I recall he also threw a complete wobbly when I used the word "astute" to compliment his son once.  True story.

pyrocles said:

According to Encyclopedia.com, citing "Women in World History: A Biographical Encyclopedia," Leigh Brackett's name is pronounced "Lee BRACK-it."

Thanks much, that's the one I was least certain about, at least in terms of getting close enough not to raise the ire of someone who knew the correct pronunciation.

I'll peek through encyclopedia.com and see if I can find others not mentioned elsewhere.

IIRC the issue people care about most with the theatrical Blu-rays is slightly lower detail that the EE's, but I'm not sure it's at all clear that projection prints like these would provide noticeably more detail--perhaps even less.  People certainly complain plenty about the colors on FOTR:EE, but I'm not sure these would provide any more help for correcting that than the existing home video transfers (EE DVD or theatrical BD).

In a perfect world with infinite time and money, I'd say go for it, but I'm inclined to say we should save our time and money for other projects where film prints fill a more pressing need.  I'm sure there will be differing opinions ;)

PM sent--sorry it's such a big download for two SRT files.  Thank you for the compliment, though!