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#1458517
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Query: anyone done a The Empire Strikes Back Super 8 HD Recreation? (with release info)
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Ah, thank you very much Adywan, I was considering shots 2 & 3 from your link to be the same shot. Good source info though, it looks like you chose the right ones based on that. But now I’m doubly confused about why they thought it wasn’t clear where our heroes were with respect to one another. Nevertheless, I’m glad they did it, because I prefer the 35mm ending.

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#1458369
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Query: anyone done a The Empire Strikes Back Super 8 HD Recreation? (with release info)
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The 8mm digest is unique audio, not found on the 70mm mix (morgands1’s in-theater recording confirms this). However, it may have some of the alternate video present on the 70mm prints. I think Puggo Edition actually has the missing radar dish on the Falcon that people report on the 70mm prints, and maybe others? Not sure, but I didn’t see this on your vimeo link. I also don’t know which ending it would have, although I suspect it’d have to be the 70mm ending, similar to what you have in your vimeo clip. You could use the morgands1 audio here to maybe get something that flows better, but the quality would drop, so maybe not.

Yes, I love that alternate Leia line because her lips actually match the dialogue for a change!

EDIT: I’m also not sure you’re clipping the right bits for the 70mm ending. What you’re clipping matches what adywan did, but I’m not sure adywan got it right either (but I could be wrong too). There’s three shots:

  1. Rear of fleet, not showing Falcon
  2. Front of fleet, showing docked Falcon
  3. Closeup showing Falcon and medical bay

Two of the three were added for the 35mm cut, but which two? Adywan removed 1 & 3, but the audio lines up just as well removing 2 & 3. Considering that the stated reason for the additional shots was “to allow the viewer to see where Lando and Chewie were with respect to Luke and Leia”, it seems like 2 & 3 are the shots that do that. Just having shot #1 gives you no idea, and then I can see why they added those other two scenes for the 35mm cut. Shot #2 gives you a decent idea on its own, so I’m not sure why someone would feel the need to add the other two shots, especially because #1 doesn’t provide any additional context at all.

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#1457811
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SW DEED Colour grading
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Well, I’m assuming you know about 4K77 and 4K83? These are film scans of the originals, not edits of home video releases. Don’t let the “4K” fool you though, the 720p projects you’ve already mentioned have a lot more fine image detail. Nevertheless, they’re truly the original versions, and there are lots of versions to choose from – the initial scan is the same, but different color grades and levels of DNR are applied in various iterations. IMO 4K83 is definitely worth a look, but 4K77 is more of an acquired taste.

There are discussion threads for these project here, with instructions on how to get them.

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#1457707
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SW DEED Colour grading
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Maybe he’s thinking jaundice.

Anyway, without having to rehash a huge discussion thread too much, SW DeEd 2.x was graded based on a Technicolor reference print. Why? The theory was sound – everyone’s got their own idea of what looks good, but Harmy wasn’t interested in what looked good, he wanted what looked accurate. Since most Star Wars prints had long ago faded to pink vinegar, we had no good color references… except Technicolor prints, which didn’t fade much at all under the right circumstances.

The result? DeEd 2.7 looks very much like a Technicolor print you might have seen in a theater in 1977.

The bad news? Technicolor prints were often very unlike other 35mm prints in terms of colors. Especially around this time, they often had a heavy yellow cast. So DeEd 2.7 looks very unlike what you might have seen in a theater in 1977, if it wasn’t showing a Technicolor print (which was most of them).

Going forward, Harmy’s indicated that he plans for a more neutral grade, or even multiple grades, when he redoes Star Wars for the 3.x series.

EDIT: The 1993 versions of the films have their own issues. They are heavily magenta-tinted, so everyone has red faces instead of yellow faces. In terms of color accuracy to non-Technicolor source, the 1997 Special Editions are actually pretty good for commercial releases, although I think the home video versions still got messed up somehow. I’d say DrDre has the best sense of Star Wars colors, if you want to check some of his threads. Nobody should use the 1993 releases as a color reference.

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#1450377
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International Audio (including Voice-Over Translations)
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Malaysian dubs are synced and despecialized, as well as Ukrainian dubs, which replace the Ukrainian voiceovers in my collection. Like the Indonesian dub of Star Wars, the Malaysian dub of Jedi had some content editing for a TV station. Not too bad, most of it was dialogue-free cuts which were recoverable, but a couple lines were lost and are patched in with English.

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#1450142
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Harmy's Despecialized Star Wars 1977 - Color Adjustment Project for v2.7 (released)
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If it helps, this was geared toward the “technicolor look”, which had a heavy yellow bias (it was really like that in theatres IF you saw a tech print!). It was also IIRC working from an already-processed version of the Blu-ray that had gone through a less-than-ideal de-purpling process. Either way, the result is definitely far from perfect, but it’s still my favorite go-to version of this film.

Harmy’s already commented that future versions won’t necessarily have that hardcore technicolor look and will be more neutral/natural. The problem was (and still is) that everyone’s got their own ideas about what looks good, and technicolor prints are the only references that can definitively tell us how the film looked back in the day – but that yellowish cast comes with that particular package, and isn’t how it looked for most people who saw the film on a different kind of print (now pink and vinegary).

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#1449366
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Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (Special Navajo Edition) Official DVD (Released)
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Wow, much thanks to Clarissa Yazzie for providing the Diné translations in that article. I have not found the original Diné script anywhere for subtitling purposes, but it’s a start.

And for those who didn’t piece together the name on the translation credit, Clarissa also voiced Leia – and nailed it!

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#1449357
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Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)
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The Definitive Collection laserdiscs actually started our GOUT standard (it wasn’t called “GOUT” back then though, but DC Laserdisc rips were the big thing everyone synced their audio to before the actual 2006 bonus discs existed), so I’d be surprised if it wasn’t perfect sync. That said, the current project now uses the theatrical frame standard, which should not be noticeably different than GOUT for this purpose.

I think there was an early erroneous pressing of the DC laserdiscs missing part of Leia’s welding scene in Empire. Those won’t sync.

But as far as actually using a genlock, I haven’t done it. Does this mean you have? If so, that’s pretty cool!