I also prefer the ten point scale with decimals, but I found that if I have a long list of rankings, I can use 1/3 less space if I use an “implied” decimal point instead of a literal one. A 10-point scale with implied decimals has all the normal advantages of a 10-point scale over a 100-point scale, but without the wasted space.
If you’re comparing Star Wars to other sci-fi films you’re making a big mistake (because it’s not sci-fi).
Star Wars is definitely a 10.
Fine. Adventure. Raiders of the Lost Ark is a 10, and nothing in the Star Wars trilogy breaks 8 on that scale either. 8 is good. We like 8. But it’s not perfect.
Mine goes up to 110.
But Serenity is great too.
Hm. It’s better than Bushwhacked, Safe, maybe The Message, and Heart of Gold. That could be great I guess.
What sci-fi movies do you have in mind ? (educated guess: Alien, Blade Runner, Starship troopers, 2001)
Yes, maybe, scoff definitely not, no. Brazil, maybe Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (yeah that’s right I’m throwing down with Jim Carrey of all people), non-movies get you way more mileage because you can include Firefly, which is what sets the top of the 10-point sci-fi scale for me. If you check my original statement, I talked about movies and I talked about sci-fi, but not sci-fi movies in particular, so I was definitely using Firefly as the 10 marker for sci-fi, The Third Man as the 10 marker for movies. Star Wars just doesn’t make it up there.
[I can’t even understand how ANH and TESB wouldn’t get 10/10 but weird grades such as 8.2… I mean, what’s the .2 about exactly ?]
Since we’ve already talked decimals into the ground, there’s also the 10/10 business. I love Star Wars, really I do. But at its best, it’s around 8/10. There’s better films. There’s better sci-fi. You have to leave room at the top of the scale for that. Annie Hall won the Oscar fair and square. I’ll see myself out, thanks 😉
Now that’s really interesting, that the Soviet version in fact had translated end credits. Along with the Soviet dub from CatBus this could be quite a nice restoration project. 😃
I take it you haven’t heard the Soviet dub 😉
That’s work related.
Furious doing of taxes isn’t a job.
I’m never going to be able to look at a CPA the same way ever again.
Psst! Frink has a huge Mel Brooks collection, which is only dwarfed by his extensive anime collection! Pass it on!
Well obviously. If I’m gonna tell you guys all anime is terrible and I should know because I’ve seen it all…
Nice try. That hardly explains the Pikachu bedsheets or the Sailor Moon wardrobe.
Psst! Frink has a huge Mel Brooks collection, which is only dwarfed by his extensive anime collection! Pass it on!
Past Lucasfilm releases have always been an exercise in how to get the most money from the least amount of effort. In the extremely unlikely scenario Lucasfilm issues a new improved OOT home video release, er, ever, it’s going to have the 81 crawl, the 93 audio, effed up colors, and degrain/regrain, at the very least–and likely some horrifying audio remastering as well, because that’s the established workflow and changing that would require effort. Access to the original negative only matters if you care about the film.
I dunno about that, for the SE they actually recreated a scene and refilmed it. And for the DVD releases of 1-3 they actually went back and added special effects to deleted scenes. This lead to many fanedits including them.
Oh, they put plenty of effortenthusiasm into changing stuff, don’t get me wrong. When there’s no budget for re-scanning negatives, or fixing the color grading, your staff will definitely find stuff to keep themselves occupied–going out into a parking lot and yelling for Obi-Wan, that sort of thing. But that stuff is really not even peripherally related to what’s needed to get a quality film transfer for home video. And while I haven’t spent a lot of time examining every altered scene in detail, I have seen definite signs that even when they put some effort into a change, they were often pretty sloppy and cheap about it. Maybe not every single job gets shortchanged like that, but historically, Star Wars releases have never come off as top quality releases. At least in my opinion, of course.
Also, as this was regarding a theoretical OOT release, re-filming scenes and adding special effects would actually be pretty much the worst possible thing they could do, regardless of how much effort went into it.
C.S. Lewis died over 50 years ago, ownership has passed well beyond personal friends, family and loyalists to the nameless faceless Harper Collins profit center, and yet it’s still not possible to buy a new copy of the Narnia series in the original publication order.
Yes, I know it’s not quite analogous to Star Wars because you can reorder the books yourself, old copies aren’t lower quality than newer copies, etc, etc. But nevertheless it illustrates that if someone widely perceived to be the creator of something, years after it’s already been released to the public, wishes it to be distributed in a different, boneheaded, mangled way that makes no sense to most fans, that wish carries a lot of weight for a long time.
EDIT: Yes, I know it’s also arguable that Lewis even wanted it to be distributed that way at all, or if he was just being accommodating in an exchange with with an enthusiastic fan. The idea that a desire that unclearly expressed can have such lasting impact makes it so much worse.
Past Lucasfilm releases have always been an exercise in how to get the most money from the least amount of effort. In the extremely unlikely scenario Lucasfilm issues a new improved OOT home video release, er, ever, it’s going to have the 81 crawl, the 93 audio, effed up colors, and degrain/regrain, at the very least–and likely some horrifying audio remastering as well, because that’s the established workflow and changing that would require effort. Access to the original negative only matters if you care about the film.
Everything with Dark Helmet is great. Everything else is meh minus to suck minus. And that includes most every other Mel Brooks movie as well. Including Blazing Saddles.
Harsh, Dark Helmet isn’t even in Blazing Saddles!
Sure–The Nordic language subs were all direct from the Nordic R2 DVD release of the GOUT, so those were all just the official Lucasfilm translations, problems and all (and possibly with a few more errors due to OCR, etc). And they all have more-or-less the same major problem, in that they use “summary” style translations–frequently skipping lines–which are popular there, I guess, maybe because Nordic words tend to be long. The Finnish subtitles have since been redone as a complete re-translation, but the Swedish (and Danish, and Norwegian) ones are in their original state, and I’m sure they could be improved.
I’ll send a PM with more info.
Heh, no. I’m hoping for this year. But things slide. Predictions have proven to be fairly futile in the past, Harmy himself was once off by over a year when predicting his own release.
I’m sorry if this has been asked before, but I’ve searched and haven’t been able to find an answer.
Are the 3.0 versions that Harmy is (presumably) working on planned to be the “final” versions of the movies? Also, do we know which Harmy is working on currently?
Nothing is ever final. There’s always new sources coming in, problems being found, etc. The only question is long Harmy’s patience will last–so far, so good.
He’s working on 2.5 of Empire right now. I believe that’s the last of the 2.x series before moving to 3.x.
One of these days, bang, zoom.
Keep an eye out for me, thanks.
Well thanks for nothing.
I aim to please. But I miss a lot.
They were like that in the alternate timeline too. They’re a fixed point in time and space. That’s why it’s so hard to look at what they write.
Oh my God, what hellscape have I created? Somehow, the tape, it made it back to Lucas. It gave him ideas, made him think it was his plan all along. You used to be able to watch the original trilogy. No really, listen to me! You could… you could go to a store, buy the trilogy, watch it on TV, stream it, whatever you like. In the other world, the way it used to be. This site, it used to be full of cheerful Star Wars fans who just didn’t particularly like the prequels. Harmy got elected to the European Parliament because he had so much free time on his hands. Oh, I’m so sorry… What have I done?
Does anyone have another time turner?
My time turner only lasts five minutes. Is that enough? I figure we could give a VHS copy of ROTS to young Jay before he becomes a Star Wars fan.
I thought I had a pretty high tolerance for this stuff but I’m just tapped out.
I’ve despecialized the Slovak dubs (1997 VHS source) that have been included with various versions of the Despecialized Editions. The initial sync was already done thanks to pittrek, so I just handled pitch adjustment (PAL source), and despecialization (and Jedi was mostly despecialized anyway). They’re available at the usual places.