IIRC, the mono Despecialized uses came from Jaxxon’s 16mm print, which also was the basis of Puggo Grande. There was a PAL tv recording of the mono known to exist prior to that.
No, it’s the PAL OTA version (Belbucus). I think hairy_hen tweaked the levels and maybe the fanfare, but other than that it’s vanilla.
My personal top ten shifts all the time, but no Star Wars film is ever in it. Top 50, sure.
There’s a Turkish dub? If you find it, let me know too!
Somewhere early. It’s only off by a frame, so it makes sense that you would have not noticed it. It can be remuxed with a sync offset to fix.
Actually the frame difference between PAL and NTSC GOUT is at around 1:44:24, so the reason nobody notices it is that it’s a one-frame difference, it affects only a small section of the film, and that section has very little dialogue (which is the easiest way to spot small sync problems). Muxing the audio one frame off would actually make sync worse for most of the film, and you’d be more likely to notice it.
Are you discussing SW or ESB? I was referring to ESB, and the time stamp you’ve stated sounds more like the SW imperfection as of 2.5 (fixed in 2.7), but I don’t recall the exact point off the top of my head.
My understanding (and seemingly everyone else’s at the time) was that ESB was off by a frame very early on.
Well, I was talking PAL GOUT vs NTSC GOUT, which may or may not match specific DeEd releases (they’re supposed to sync to GOUT, but…). ESB does have a frame mismatch at the point I mentioned, Star Wars has one a little earlier, at around 1:40:08. Both are too late to be very noticeable.
Found the definitive Quality Control post:
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/887863
Basically ESB DeEd got rid of all PAL/NTSC sync differences, but added an extra frame at the title card pushing everything back, as described. So basically the whole GOUT sync business was a total sidetrack, my fault, etc. The problem is specific to ESB DeEd 2.0. Either way, it’s one frame, just ignore it because you probably can.
I PM’ed a complete project link, which is the fonts you want plus a few gigs of data you don’t need, but it may be the best you can do.
Somewhere early. It’s only off by a frame, so it makes sense that you would have not noticed it. It can be remuxed with a sync offset to fix.
Actually the frame difference between PAL and NTSC GOUT is at around 1:44:24, so the reason nobody notices it is that it’s a one-frame difference, it affects only a small section of the film, and that section has very little dialogue (which is the easiest way to spot small sync problems). Muxing the audio one frame off would actually make sync worse for most of the film, and you’d be more likely to notice it.
And does anybody think that LFL could create a better version than Legacy?
Yes. Scanning right off of the negative and doing an accurate grade to an unfaded release print would destroy Legacy.
I guess I asked the wrong question. It’s not a matter of could they, but would they.
Maybe better stated as: anyone with access to the resources LFL has access to could create a far better version than Legacy… with the exception of LFL, who couldn’t find it with both hands.
Honestly, I’d take a new transfer of the SE. I wouldn’t be thrilled about it if it wasn’t released alongside the OUT, but I’ll support anything that results in that awful Lowry master being retired.
I think a home release of that in the absence of an OUT is unlikely. There’s not enough AV nerd Star Wars fans out there to make it worthwhile. Your average fan isn’t going to buy it if they already own the box set.
They’ve been pretty successful so far in the “getting fans to quintuple-dip on a marginally-better-or-actually-somewhat-worse-but-newer! release” strategy. I think it’s reasonable to assume they’d keep it up, at least until they make a release that actually doesn’t sell.
IMO, the best-case scenario for the Reliance work is more and better raw materials to despecialize. No scenario involves something I’d want to watch, that’s just fantasy.
Wait, you watched the Blu-rays? You only should buy them to justify viewing the fan edit. After that, burying them in a cardboard box in your back yard works pretty well.
As for shaking and several-minutes-long-out-of-focus sequences, hey, that’s what Lucas originally intended, but seventies technology didn’t allow him to shake the camera or blur the image, so he had to wait for the technology to catch up. Either that or they kinda did the Blu-rays on the cheap.
it was nice to have a conversation with someone without any or that overarching internet shit ruining the experience.
Just don’t go looking for his Facebook page, or you might find his retelling of the story of your conversation through animated GIFs and other memes, and the feeling will be ruined.
ANH - 1
ESB - 1
ROTJ - 1
TPM - 0
AOTC - 0
ROTS - 0
TFA - 0I use truth-based binary ranking system. Film is either good or shit.
1
ANH - 10
ESB - 10
TFA - 8
ROTJ - 7
TPM - 4
ROTS - 3
AOTC - 3Most scientific studies have confirmed these ratings.
I always thought it was crazy that scientific studies used scale from 3 to 12, but I can’t argue with the results.
I’mma let you finish, but Toy Story had one of the best trilogies of all time! One of the best trilogies of all time!
Betteridge’s law of headlines is strong with this one.
I also prefer the ten point scale with decimals, but I found that if I have a long list of rankings, I can use 1/3 less space if I use an “implied” decimal point instead of a literal one. A 10-point scale with implied decimals has all the normal advantages of a 10-point scale over a 100-point scale, but without the wasted space.
If you’re comparing Star Wars to other sci-fi films you’re making a big mistake (because it’s not sci-fi).
Star Wars is definitely a 10.
Fine. Adventure. Raiders of the Lost Ark is a 10, and nothing in the Star Wars trilogy breaks 8 on that scale either. 8 is good. We like 8. But it’s not perfect.
Mine goes up to 110.
But Serenity is great too.
Hm. It’s better than Bushwhacked, Safe, maybe The Message, and Heart of Gold. That could be great I guess.
What sci-fi movies do you have in mind ? (educated guess: Alien, Blade Runner, Starship troopers, 2001)
Yes, maybe, scoff definitely not, no. Brazil, maybe Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (yeah that’s right I’m throwing down with Jim Carrey of all people), non-movies get you way more mileage because you can include Firefly, which is what sets the top of the 10-point sci-fi scale for me. If you check my original statement, I talked about movies and I talked about sci-fi, but not sci-fi movies in particular, so I was definitely using Firefly as the 10 marker for sci-fi, The Third Man as the 10 marker for movies. Star Wars just doesn’t make it up there.
[I can’t even understand how ANH and TESB wouldn’t get 10/10 but weird grades such as 8.2… I mean, what’s the .2 about exactly ?]
Since we’ve already talked decimals into the ground, there’s also the 10/10 business. I love Star Wars, really I do. But at its best, it’s around 8/10. There’s better films. There’s better sci-fi. You have to leave room at the top of the scale for that. Annie Hall won the Oscar fair and square. I’ll see myself out, thanks 😉
Now that’s really interesting, that the Soviet version in fact had translated end credits. Along with the Soviet dub from CatBus this could be quite a nice restoration project. 😃
I take it you haven’t heard the Soviet dub 😉
That’s work related.
Furious doing of taxes isn’t a job.
I’m never going to be able to look at a CPA the same way ever again.
Psst! Frink has a huge Mel Brooks collection, which is only dwarfed by his extensive anime collection! Pass it on!
Well obviously. If I’m gonna tell you guys all anime is terrible and I should know because I’ve seen it all…
Nice try. That hardly explains the Pikachu bedsheets or the Sailor Moon wardrobe.
Psst! Frink has a huge Mel Brooks collection, which is only dwarfed by his extensive anime collection! Pass it on!
Past Lucasfilm releases have always been an exercise in how to get the most money from the least amount of effort. In the extremely unlikely scenario Lucasfilm issues a new improved OOT home video release, er, ever, it’s going to have the 81 crawl, the 93 audio, effed up colors, and degrain/regrain, at the very least–and likely some horrifying audio remastering as well, because that’s the established workflow and changing that would require effort. Access to the original negative only matters if you care about the film.
I dunno about that, for the SE they actually recreated a scene and refilmed it. And for the DVD releases of 1-3 they actually went back and added special effects to deleted scenes. This lead to many fanedits including them.
Oh, they put plenty of effortenthusiasm into changing stuff, don’t get me wrong. When there’s no budget for re-scanning negatives, or fixing the color grading, your staff will definitely find stuff to keep themselves occupied–going out into a parking lot and yelling for Obi-Wan, that sort of thing. But that stuff is really not even peripherally related to what’s needed to get a quality film transfer for home video. And while I haven’t spent a lot of time examining every altered scene in detail, I have seen definite signs that even when they put some effort into a change, they were often pretty sloppy and cheap about it. Maybe not every single job gets shortchanged like that, but historically, Star Wars releases have never come off as top quality releases. At least in my opinion, of course.
Also, as this was regarding a theoretical OOT release, re-filming scenes and adding special effects would actually be pretty much the worst possible thing they could do, regardless of how much effort went into it.