CatBus

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Regarding other dubs, the official Hong Kong DVDs and Blu-rays definitely don’t have a Cantonese dub (we have them; they don’t), I think Blu-ray.com just has some bad data on the Blu. There may very well be a Cantonese dub for television (lots of languages have these, not just Tagalog), and knowing how common bootlegs are over there, there may be a very official-looking DVD with the Cantonese dub that you can buy in Hong Kong, just not the kind you can buy in regular stores in the US. If you find that or the Tagalog dub, I’d love to hear them. I don’t care much if they’re well-done, they’re for accessibility–some of our other dubs are… interesting… too. If there’s one person out there who doesn’t know English very well, but knows Tagalog, that’s enough reason to have it.

My version is included in Project Threepio.

It’s probably better to do a targeted request to someone who knows how to do this. Making real theatrical-quality international crawls is very difficult, and only three projects that I know about have done it: our German, French, and Italian teams. It’s not something a lot of people know how to do, or at least not well.

Part of the difficulty you might run into is that the German, Italian, and French teams are using the actual international crawls as their guide, so they know exactly where to break lines, how much spacing between lines, appearance of letters, etc. Our Turkish translation is just words–we’d need to do layout/appearance issues by hand and by guesswork. Even then, we don’t know if it would exactly match the appearance of what the original crawls would have looked like–if they were even translated originally–many languages did not translate the crawl and simply subtitled it.

It’s called “Project Threepio”, just search for it. Feel free to mail me corrections if you have any.

Here is the text from the subtitle file. If you’re interested in how it renders out graphically, Project Threepio is on MySpleen. Keep in mind the is subtitles that accompany the existing English crawl, not a Turkish crawl.

Uzun zaman önce
çok, çok uzak bir galakside…

YILDIZ
SAVAŞLARI

İç savaş dönemi.

Asiler gizli üslerinden
yaptıkları saldırıyla…

…kötüler İmparatorluğuna karşı
ilk zaferlerini kazandılar.

Çarpışmalar esnasında
İttifakın casusları…

…İmparatorluğun korkunç silahı…

…bir gezegeni yok edecek güçteki
zırhlı uzay istasyonu…

…ÖLÜM YILDIZI’nın planlarını
çalmayı başardılar.

İmparatorluk casusları tarafından
takip edilen…

…Prenses Leia uzay gemisiyle
kendi gezegenine doğru kaçmaktadır.

Prenses bu planlar sayesinde
halkını kurtarabilir…

…ve galaksiyi özgürlüğüne
kavuşturabilir…

Also, it turns out some of those alternate ESB audio sources also have better dynamic range than the one I’m using right now, so thanks, this will work out great.

For the subtitles, I’ll just use our existing Turkish subtitles, which are as you described. I think I’ll either use a voiceover-free Empire soundtrack, or erase the voiceover from the one I have now–the quality sounds incongruous to me, and seems like a broadcaster-added overdub.

Don’t worry, I’m a professional. I never mess up 😉

Okay, I now have the Turkish Special Edition audio, and will post results in the international audio thread once I’ve got something worth listening to. One thing is weird–Empire voices over the crawl but neither of the other films do, so the next Project Threepio will contain Turkish “titles” subs for SW and Jedi. Also, Empire is way more dynamically compressed than the others, so I wonder if the three films were done by different companies, derived from different sources, and/or if the crawl section of the Empire dub was tacked on by a broadcaster or something. Any info on this is helpful. Heck, if the crawl voiceover is terrible, I can always remove it and replace it with subtitles!

You know, I love straying offtopic as much as the next guy, but the point of this is that my kid will barely come out from under his covers (I hope he doesn’t hear about this or it’s gonna be a long four years), and it’s really distressing as a parent to see your kid in this state, and I’d really rather not check back on this thread for potentially useful updates just to see more joking around about it. Please keep it over in the Offtopic forum, for my sake.

Again, it will take time, it is not a simple conversion. I may contact you if I have trouble downloading. Turkish is not my strong suit, and my Internet connection is dreadful.

Also, my entire focus right now is trying to help my nine-year-old boy process and deal with recent world events. Everything else waits.

Yes we can edit them to match the original versions, but it takes time.

Please remove any links to copyrighted materials from your post, it’s against forum rules.

I’ll let you know if I run into any troubles. In the meantime, we have Turkish subtitles.

canofhumdingers said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

Nah. I have a list of the top ten movies I consider the best, and Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back are on the lower half of that list. The original trilogy are some of my favourite movies, but none are number one.

This brings up an interesting point.

For me, there is a clear distinction between “best” movies and “favorite” movies. As an example, I consider Seven Samurai and Lawrence of Arabia some of the best movies, and I really like both of them a lot. But at the same time, I still personally like my favorite Godzilla movies more and would rank them higher on a list of “favorite films” even though I can easily recognize they are obviously not superior to the aforementioned “best” movies in any kind of reasonable or objective critique.

IMO that’s just guilt needlessly pruning your perfectly acceptable “best” list. The world would be a boring place if we all agreed on what’s best. I can say I love Buckaroo Banzai and the critics may sneer at me, but I get a good reception around here. I can say I love Cabin Boy and make no friends at all. But they’re not shuffled off to some second-tier list due to lack of overlap with the BFI 100 list. Let that freak flag fly!

SilverWook said:

IIRC, the mono Despecialized uses came from Jaxxon’s 16mm print, which also was the basis of Puggo Grande. There was a PAL tv recording of the mono known to exist prior to that.

No, it’s the PAL OTA version (Belbucus). I think hairy_hen tweaked the levels and maybe the fanfare, but other than that it’s vanilla.

My personal top ten shifts all the time, but no Star Wars film is ever in it. Top 50, sure.

There’s a Turkish dub? If you find it, let me know too!

towne32 said:

CatBus said:

towne32 said:

Somewhere early. It’s only off by a frame, so it makes sense that you would have not noticed it. It can be remuxed with a sync offset to fix.

Actually the frame difference between PAL and NTSC GOUT is at around 1:44:24, so the reason nobody notices it is that it’s a one-frame difference, it affects only a small section of the film, and that section has very little dialogue (which is the easiest way to spot small sync problems). Muxing the audio one frame off would actually make sync worse for most of the film, and you’d be more likely to notice it.

Are you discussing SW or ESB? I was referring to ESB, and the time stamp you’ve stated sounds more like the SW imperfection as of 2.5 (fixed in 2.7), but I don’t recall the exact point off the top of my head.

My understanding (and seemingly everyone else’s at the time) was that ESB was off by a frame very early on.

Well, I was talking PAL GOUT vs NTSC GOUT, which may or may not match specific DeEd releases (they’re supposed to sync to GOUT, but…). ESB does have a frame mismatch at the point I mentioned, Star Wars has one a little earlier, at around 1:40:08. Both are too late to be very noticeable.

Found the definitive Quality Control post:
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/887863

Basically ESB DeEd got rid of all PAL/NTSC sync differences, but added an extra frame at the title card pushing everything back, as described. So basically the whole GOUT sync business was a total sidetrack, my fault, etc. The problem is specific to ESB DeEd 2.0. Either way, it’s one frame, just ignore it because you probably can.

I PM’ed a complete project link, which is the fonts you want plus a few gigs of data you don’t need, but it may be the best you can do.

towne32 said:

Somewhere early. It’s only off by a frame, so it makes sense that you would have not noticed it. It can be remuxed with a sync offset to fix.

Actually the frame difference between PAL and NTSC GOUT is at around 1:44:24, so the reason nobody notices it is that it’s a one-frame difference, it affects only a small section of the film, and that section has very little dialogue (which is the easiest way to spot small sync problems). Muxing the audio one frame off would actually make sync worse for most of the film, and you’d be more likely to notice it.

ray_afraid said:

AntcuFaalb said:

ray_afraid said:

And does anybody think that LFL could create a better version than Legacy?

Yes. Scanning right off of the negative and doing an accurate grade to an unfaded release print would destroy Legacy.

I guess I asked the wrong question. It’s not a matter of could they, but would they.

Maybe better stated as: anyone with access to the resources LFL has access to could create a far better version than Legacy… with the exception of LFL, who couldn’t find it with both hands.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

joefavs said:

Honestly, I’d take a new transfer of the SE. I wouldn’t be thrilled about it if it wasn’t released alongside the OUT, but I’ll support anything that results in that awful Lowry master being retired.

I think a home release of that in the absence of an OUT is unlikely. There’s not enough AV nerd Star Wars fans out there to make it worthwhile. Your average fan isn’t going to buy it if they already own the box set.

They’ve been pretty successful so far in the “getting fans to quintuple-dip on a marginally-better-or-actually-somewhat-worse-but-newer! release” strategy. I think it’s reasonable to assume they’d keep it up, at least until they make a release that actually doesn’t sell.

IMO, the best-case scenario for the Reliance work is more and better raw materials to despecialize. No scenario involves something I’d want to watch, that’s just fantasy.

Wait, you watched the Blu-rays? You only should buy them to justify viewing the fan edit. After that, burying them in a cardboard box in your back yard works pretty well.

As for shaking and several-minutes-long-out-of-focus sequences, hey, that’s what Lucas originally intended, but seventies technology didn’t allow him to shake the camera or blur the image, so he had to wait for the technology to catch up. Either that or they kinda did the Blu-rays on the cheap.

Lord Haseo said:

it was nice to have a conversation with someone without any or that overarching internet shit ruining the experience.

Just don’t go looking for his Facebook page, or you might find his retelling of the story of your conversation through animated GIFs and other memes, and the feeling will be ruined.

imperialscum said:

ANH - 1
ESB - 1
ROTJ - 1
TPM - 0
AOTC - 0
ROTS - 0
TFA - 0

I use truth-based binary ranking system. Film is either good or shit.

1

TV’s Frink said:

joefavs said:

ANH - 10
ESB - 10
TFA - 8
ROTJ - 7
TPM - 4
ROTS - 3
AOTC - 3

Most scientific studies have confirmed these ratings.

I always thought it was crazy that scientific studies used scale from 3 to 12, but I can’t argue with the results.

I’mma let you finish, but Toy Story had one of the best trilogies of all time! One of the best trilogies of all time!

Betteridge’s law of headlines is strong with this one.