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#159180
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redeeming lucas
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159180/action/topic#159180
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Adam not seeing the whole OOT is enough to make me suspicious that he's just out to cause some trouble around here. No one can be that stupid to argue with a bunch of die hard OOT SW fans about the changes made when you haven't even seen the originals to begin with.

The whole thing screams TFN Troller to me.
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#159141
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Do you think Lucas really knows there is demand for the O-OT on DVD?
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Probably a combination of all those.

I figure he's never been 100% satisfied with the OT from the get go.....which is understandable. That quote about films being abandoned and stuff, ya know. But at the same time, he can't be that naive to not understand the influence his films have had and the importance that the they have in the lives of fans who saw them originally.

I personally think he's flipped his fuckin' lid. He's got money, power, influence and all the fame and asskissing has short-circuited his brain, so he's doing all kinds of crazy shit that doesn't make any sense.

His continued tinkering and re-releasing of the films is SOLID FUCKING proof that he is wired a little wrong. That is obsessive-complusive behavior. He's said he wants full control over his films. He's a control freak. The actors have complained about his directing style. He's a control freak.

He's nuts. The man has a few screws loose. And Bizzle can sprout all he wants about how I'm making all these assumptions...Lucas is crazier than a rat in a fucked up shithouse!!!

But McCallum has said that the suits in LFL want to release the OOT cuz they know of the demand and have been watching this site very closely. Lucas is the roadblock there.
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#158653
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redeeming lucas
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158653/action/topic#158653
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Only the OO version of ANH. But, I know all of the changes to ESB and ROTJ. Why?


I am totally shaking my head at this. If I had known this, Adam, I would never have acknowledged your existence. You have no basis to comment on the changes to the OT whatsover. You twit...you haven't even SEEN THE OOT ENTIRELY!!!!

Is there an ignore feature on this board.....cuz if there is, I'm ignoring Adam. Dumbass kid.
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#157809
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redeeming lucas
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/157809/action/topic#157809
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Originally posted by: The Bizzle
And I agree with Bizzle that maybe it is us who just don't like his stories anymore. Well, we certainly have legitimate cause to complain about that, don't we?

No doubt, Gaffer. I have some of the same complaints you guys have with all the movies. I think his stories are still his, and he still wants to tell them, just some of us don't wanna hear em no more. Which is fine. There are PLENTY of stories to go around. There's never gonna be a shortage of those, yunno? I don't begrudge anyone their dislike of some movies. Sometimes the reasoning is odd, but sometimes the reasoning is sound, and it's just a diffrent strokes for diffrent folks kinda thing.

Other than guiding ESB, ROTJ, Raider, Temple of Doom and Last Crusade....the guy has done NOTHING.

LOL. You just named 5 huge blockbuster movies. That's like telling a basketball fan "Other than coaching two different teams to championships, Phil Jackson hasn't done nothin!!" Not counting stuff like Willow and Labyrinth which didn't set the boxoffice world on fire, but were pretty decent flicks in their own right. Also not counting "Tucker" which was always a story he wanted to tell, and got to tell with Coppola. Also not counting helping build up Pixar before selling it off, and helping grow ILM, (I like how you just write that off as "so what if he grew the industry" as if all he had to do was flip a switch and check off a clipboard) and raising three kids on his own.

Yeah. he aint done shit alright. Not counting those 5 multimillion blockbusters, of course.

What we are doing here is QUESTIONING Lucas and his output and we draw conclusions.


But this is my point--you're not basing those conclusions on ANYTHING SOLID AT ALL. you're pulling them out of your ass based on the fact you didn't like a couple movies. That's it. There's nothing solid for you to base anything that you said. It's vapor. It's years of soap-opera villainy and stereotypical plotlines from a bunch of made-for-tv biopic type stuff. There's nothing substantial there, nothing you can point to, to give your opinion any weight whatsoever. That's what I was trying to talk against. You're creating a stereotypical burnout out of thin air and bad fiction, and then slapping a "George Lucas" label on it, and then acting as if THAT IS THE TRUTH. It's silly. That's what I'm trying to call attention to.

The moment Star Wars was released in 1977, the public bought it. We own it. We deserve it


And I'm sorry, but this is bullshit, too. I understand the sentiment, but it makes zero sense. The public didn't BUY Star Wars. you bought a ticket to WATCH IT. It's not a transference of ownership. You watching it a lot doesn't mean you bought SHARES in it, even if you bought so much stuff you COULD HAVE. All that ticket does is allow you to sit in someone else's theater and look at someone else's art for your own entertainment. Never, at any point, does anything but the memory of that experience stay yours. Next time you're in a theater, try telling the owner part of that theater is yours because you buy tickets there. Next time you're at the grocery store, try telling the checkout clerk the store is yours because you bought Raisin Bran there last week.

Ticket sales and DVD sales aren't binding ownership contracts. You bought a DVD, you didn't buy ownership rights to the film itself.



Biz.....you're awesome!!!! Okay? You're just awesome. Period.
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#157517
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redeeming lucas
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/157517/action/topic#157517
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Bizzle.....I think the exact opposite of every single one of your points.

The Lucas who made those movies in the 70s and 80s is not the same Lucas of today, CREATIVELY. Other than guiding ESB, ROTJ, Raider, Temple of Doom and Last Crusade....the guy has done NOTHING. Certainly NOTHING on his own. Instead of challenging himself with new and varied directorial efforts, he did nothing, but build his little empire.

Which is a drastically oversimplified and almost soap-opera cardboard thin characterization that doesn't have much basis in anything but simplistic bullshit.

I'm not oversimplifying at all. I said that cuz I think it's that simple. The man didn't do shit for 16 years. Yeah, he developed the FX industry, but how involved was he? Was it him or was it the engineers that he hired to make his ideas a reality. It's easy to say, "I want to see this a certain way" or "How about we try this" or "This is what I want, can you make it happen." I give him the credit for leading the way, but did he really play THAT big of a role?

he's the same guy. He's older, he's grown a little, but the same creative mind, exercising it in the same creative way.


Nope....he's changed. And I will hold to my opinions as to why this is....no matter how irreponsible you think it is. What we are doing here is QUESTIONING Lucas and his output and we draw conclusions. There's nothing wrong with that. No one has to blindly accept whatever's given them. I don't accept the SEs or the PT...therefore I'm led to draw conclusions about its creator and his decisions.


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#157459
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Lucas Did Not Think about It
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/157459/action/topic#157459
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
That quote by GL shows how much of an hypocrite he is, and how much he is surrounded by people who support him blindly, I mean, didn't anyone said that he was contradicting himself at that time? If he said that to a news reporter, didn't the guy at least say "Oh, ok, how about YOUR movies?". I just wonder how he would react if we asked him about this contradiction. I bet he would cover his ears, and scream "I can't hear you na na na na!!" until you gave up.


Dude....I WAS going to ask him at Celebration 3. I was 2 people away from asking it when they sent us all back to our seats. I was absolutely stoked. I had the whole thing pretty much mapped out in my head. No way was I going to give him an out. I was going to cover the artist's rights thing, his original vision, EVERYTHING. I was out to corner the bastard and make him squirm!!!

Also, they had some girls at the front of the line that I think were fielding questions. So, I came up with a whole bullshit question to tell them (I came up with something about Indiana Jones) and then when I would have stepped up to the mike....I was going to ask the forbidden question.

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#157457
Topic
redeeming lucas
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/157457/action/topic#157457
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Bizzle...what you said makes absolutely no sense.

THX, Graffiti and Star Wars were all made my a hungry, young director who wanted to tell his own stories. Doesn't matter that they were all different stories or different kinds of movies. They all came from the same creative spark.

Now that spark has been extinguished by years of resting on his laurels improving the special effect industry instead of his own directing style and techniques. Years of ass kissing, awards and tons of money have killed that creative spark.

And ROTS was no redemption in my book.....it was the same shit sandwich as the first two.
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#157452
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If the O-OT ever came out, the future of SW is with the PT fans.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/157452/action/topic#157452
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Getting the OOT would be the final, complete end for me. I would grab about 3 or 4 copies of it. Open one and preserve the rest. Then I will put it on my shelf and forget about anything that was Star Wars from 1997 on. It's over, it ain't what it used to be and I wouldn't spend any money on it ever again.

I was a loyal fan since the age of 4 and I feel cheated, let down and burned. The prequels sucking...I can live with. But altering the original films and not making them available is where I draw the line. That's denying me a piece of my youth and I will not tolerate that.

As for the PT standing the test of time......it won't. Those kids who watched it first run will grow up and see those movies for the pieces of shit that they are. The OT retained its awe and greatness long after the original craze faded out. I watched the OT as I grew up and was consistently blown away by just how great these films are.

Star Wars is a sinking ship...has been since 97. I stayed with it though until I saw ROTS.....keeping the faith that Lucas would pull through for the one episode that mattered and he fucked it up big time. I jumped ship now. The only thing I'm interested in when the OOT gets released (if it ever is anyway). When that happens, I'll get it and never look back again.
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#157444
Topic
redeeming lucas
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/157444/action/topic#157444
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Releasing the OOT would be a good start, but I seriously think all hope is lost for this man.

Jay is right, this is not the same guy who did THX, Grafitti or the OT. He's lost his edge or just plain lost his marbles.

I was watching a movie the other night that immediately made me think of the prequels and how they relate to the originals. That movie was Blues Brothers 2000. Now, I grew up watching the first BB film and it is undeniably an American Classic. I knew BB 2000 was going to be not as good, but what I got was the absolutely stupidest movie sequel that could ever be made. It totally lost the feel of the first film, was laughable at its stupidity, was of completely low quality, I mean the movie just left me thinking what the hell Dan Akroyd was thinking when he wrote this stupid piece of shit. My best reason to myself is that Aykroyd and John Landis aren't the same actor or director that they were in 1980. Plus the movie was missing a very important element: John Belushi AKA Joliet Jake. The replacement for him was John Goodman. Anything that made the first BB special was lost in the enormous amount of time in between both films.

I watched both films back to back and it just kept reminding me of how the PT went as compared to the OT.

In my own mind, I will forget the PT or the SE ever existed. I find I'm happier that way.
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#157208
Topic
Remember when.....
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/157208/action/topic#157208
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Originally posted by: Cable-X1
Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Originally posted by: ricarleite
Remember when we first saw the teaser trailer for TPM and thought it would be great having prequels?
1998 - "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to...suffering" Man, this film is gonna ROCK LIKE A BITCH!!
1999 - Hmm...



Anybody think that line should have gone like this....

"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate...leads to the dark side."

Yes, I agree. But that's the least of my prequel gripes.

Anyone remember when the world didn't suck?

Me neither.


I think that line has more resonance and is more dramatic with that change.

And the world started to suck for me when I had to start working a full time job.

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#157198
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Remember when.....
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/157198/action/topic#157198
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Originally posted by: ricarleite
Remember when we first saw the teaser trailer for TPM and thought it would be great having prequels?
1998 - "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to...suffering" Man, this film is gonna ROCK LIKE A BITCH!!
1999 - Hmm...



Anybody think that line should have gone like this....

"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate...leads to the dark side."