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- A plot to destroy Supershadow
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- #164662
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- Star Wars Battlefront II
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Originally posted by: Ingo Sucks
It's third-person, but you can switch to first-person as well.
Isn't BF a thrid person shooter, not a true FPS?'
It's third-person, but you can switch to first-person as well.
Ah yes....I recall on BF1 now that you could switch between the two. The reason I never dug the game is after you get killed, you have to run all the way back to where the action is or wherever you got killed. I really hated that. Got old really quick.
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- #164641
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- Indiana Jones 4
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Maybe he will fix that for the 2007 release.
Maybe he will fix that for the 2007 release.
Yeah...and pigs will fly out of my butt...
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- #164638
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- Indiana Jones 4
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That is a completely different case, where the director intends the prequels to be seen first. Unlike, say, Exorcist: The Beginning.
I'm not talking about viewing order....there are still certain storywise stuff that is out of wack in the PT to suggest to me that Lucas isn't up to the task of writing anything period.
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- #164636
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- Star Wars Battlefront II
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I don't know.....I have BF 1 and I don't really like it. If you want traditional FPS SW games, try the Jedi Knight series.
Anyone else here play Jedi Outcast or Jedi Academy online? I'll OWN you!!!!!
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- #164624
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- Indiana Jones 4
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Myself, I try to enjoy something for what IT is, rather than trying to compare it with the series it is part of.
If it's part of a series, it is inevitable that it will draw comparisons. And one bad movie in a series can leave a bad taste in people's mouths, as we've seen with many after TPM.
The thing is.....everyone wants to see another great Indy flick, but they don't want it to suck. After observing the recent work by Ford, Lucas and Spielberg, people don't think it will be great. There are other reasons too, too much time has past, Ford is older and may not be up to the task, the fact that's been in development hell for years, Ford's motivation for wanting to do one, etc.
There wasn't any of these factors back when the original three were made, so naturally many of us are skeptical. It's not that we don't want another one, Adam....we just want a great one and if we can't get a great one, we'd rather not have one.
Also, to many of us, Indiana Jones was as big of a deal as Star Wars back in the day. I saw all three in the theaters and they rocked it hard, man!!!
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- #164593
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- Indiana Jones 4
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The episode was called Mystery Of the Blues and had Ford in the bookend parts at the beginning and end of the show. Ford had a rather bushy beard with some grey and he looked totally convincing and still had the Indy magic.
But that was 1993. That's 12 going on 13 years ago.
I'm against this movie for the same reasons TR47 said.....leave well enough alone. The motivations behind this movie are wrong....Ford has been the biggest lobbiest for it and his career is in the shitter. That's why he wants to do it....he thinks it will revive his career. I fear that it will just produce an Indy film that isn't on par with the original 3.
It's clear that Lucas and Spielberg are in different places in their lives. Spielberg doesn't make these kinds of movies anymore. He makes stuff like Munich and Amistad. The closest thing he's made to an Indy film is Minority Report and I thought that movie wasn't that great. Lucas, on the other hand, is just fucking insane and shouldn't be allowed near any of his film franchises ever again. See the SW prequels for proof of that.
Let it be, boys.....just let go and go ruin something else.
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- #164585
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- How did you imagine the Emperor taking over?
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/164585/action/topic#164585
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
I agree. The way Obi-Wan talks about Anakin he was impressed with him from the beginning. He plainly says so himself.
Lucas could have easily have had Obi-Wan like Anakin as much as Qui-Gon did. Hell, we could have done with out Qui-Gon all together and have Obi-Wan be like, "Wow! Check out this guy! He rocks! I am soooo training him!"
But, no, Lucas decided to ignore his own writing from 20 years before.
Originally posted by: Cable-X1
In the OT, it seems to me that Obi-Wan really believed in Anakin when he first met him...."When I first met your father, I was amazed at how strongly the Force flowed through him. I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi."
Interpretation be damned.....that's pretty straightforward there. Obi-Wan met Anakin, was impressed and trained him.
In the PT, Obi-Wan didn't seem to impressed by Anakin. He was against having him trained, for crying out loud.
For me, that definitely calls into question, Lucas' familiarity with his own material.
In the OT, it seems to me that Obi-Wan really believed in Anakin when he first met him...."When I first met your father, I was amazed at how strongly the Force flowed through him. I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi."
Interpretation be damned.....that's pretty straightforward there. Obi-Wan met Anakin, was impressed and trained him.
In the PT, Obi-Wan didn't seem to impressed by Anakin. He was against having him trained, for crying out loud.
For me, that definitely calls into question, Lucas' familiarity with his own material.
I agree. The way Obi-Wan talks about Anakin he was impressed with him from the beginning. He plainly says so himself.
Lucas could have easily have had Obi-Wan like Anakin as much as Qui-Gon did. Hell, we could have done with out Qui-Gon all together and have Obi-Wan be like, "Wow! Check out this guy! He rocks! I am soooo training him!"
But, no, Lucas decided to ignore his own writing from 20 years before.
Exactly.....there are more examples too. It justs comes off like Lucas didn't watch his own movies...or just didn't care to even stay in line with what he already did.
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- #164482
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- How did you imagine the Emperor taking over?
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: Cable-X1
Just further proof that not only does Lucas not have a clue about his own creation, but he just doesn't care either.
Originally posted by: Cable-X1
Just further proof that not only does Lucas not have a clue about his own creation, but he just doesn't care either.
I really, really don't think that's the case. No offense, but it just sounds a little silly to me to say that the creator of a universe doesn't know his own universe well.[/q
I agree....it does sound silly as all hell....but it's true. There more than a few examples in the PT in relation to the OT.
One quick example...
In the OT, it seems to me that Obi-Wan really believed in Anakin when he first met him...."When I first met your father, I was amazed at how strongly the Force flowed through him. I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi."
Interpretation be damned.....that's pretty straightforward there. Obi-Wan met Anakin, was impressed and trained him.
In the PT, Obi-Wan didn't seem to impressed by Anakin. He was against having him trained, for crying out loud.
For me, that definitely calls into question, Lucas' familiarity with his own material.
More tomorrow...I gotta run.
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- #164456
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- How did you imagine the Emperor taking over?
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/164456/action/topic#164456
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
Yeah, when I saw that happen in the theater I shouted out, "Weak!"
Come on. There had to have been a better way of explaining what happend to him. Or just left him alone. The way he looks in ROTJ, I just assumed that is what old age and a life time of using the Dark Side does to someone. Sure you have UNLIMITED POWER!! but you also loose everything else. He became the ugly that he was.
Force lightning melting is face? He should have just shouted out then, "I'm melting! MELTING!! What a world, what a world..."
Originally posted by: maddog00
Although, I didn't like the way the Emperor became old, as mentioned. Force lightning against himself. Pshaw.
Although, I didn't like the way the Emperor became old, as mentioned. Force lightning against himself. Pshaw.
Yeah, when I saw that happen in the theater I shouted out, "Weak!"
Come on. There had to have been a better way of explaining what happend to him. Or just left him alone. The way he looks in ROTJ, I just assumed that is what old age and a life time of using the Dark Side does to someone. Sure you have UNLIMITED POWER!! but you also loose everything else. He became the ugly that he was.
Force lightning melting is face? He should have just shouted out then, "I'm melting! MELTING!! What a world, what a world..."
Same here.....I thought it was weak as hell. I figured that the Emperor looked that way cuz that's what happens to you after you use the dark side your whole life.
And if you recall when Vader was unmasked, Sebastian Shaw's face was that ghostly grey just like the Emperor's was, so I thought that was what happened. The dark side takes its toll on you physically.
It was such no brainer and hella cool to have it that way. Just further proof that not only does Lucas not have a clue about his own creation, but he just doesn't care either.
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- #164450
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- Farscape Puppetry use in the Star Wars PT
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As for CGI giving more flexibility, that can come around and bite ya in the ass. The prequels are the result of having too much freedom to change things.
I agree with an earlier poster.....they shoudl keep it real as much as possible so there is something for the actors to react to. I find that many CGI movies, not just Star Wars, suffer from this same problem.
I think CGI is great for background and space battles and stuff, but not for actor footage. Keep it totally real.
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- #164415
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- Farscape Puppetry use in the Star Wars PT
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/164415/action/topic#164415
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Looking at Farscape, Zhann and D'Argo were just awesome looking for actors in makeup and prosthetics. Mix that kind of craftmanship with some CGI to spice certain things up and it would have looked spectacular and the actors would have loved it since they could see some of what was going to be onscreen.
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- #164409
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- Farscape Puppetry use in the Star Wars PT
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/164409/action/topic#164409
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I'm really impressed with how far the Henson companies have taken puppetry.
So...I got to thinking....why the hell did Lucas go with all CGI when he could have gotten the Henson companies to do some really great work and then only use CGI sparingly on individual characters?
It would have been more beneficial to the actors and it would have probably looked 10 times cooler.
What do all of you think? Would the PT have been better using the Farscape type puppetry mixed with some CGI?
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- #164402
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- How did you imagine the Emperor taking over?
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/164402/action/topic#164402
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Let's hear them, people....
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- #164248
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- I did the SW test with my 7 year old nephew, there is hope!
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/164248/action/topic#164248
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I do not believe any of the films are perfect. They all have flaws.
Empire is perfect. Period.
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- #164231
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- I did the SW test with my 7 year old nephew, there is hope!
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/164231/action/topic#164231
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It will become like the Coke vs Pepsi war?
PT vs. OT?
Or...."Can you pass the Star Wars test?"
Extra points to whoever gets that 60s hippie reference.....
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- #164106
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- McCallum comments on the TV series and the prequel special editions
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/164106/action/topic#164106
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Originally posted by: Anchorhead
That's exactly how I feel also. There's the original versions only, in my world. I already have the only versions I'll ever watch.
Lucas is just becoming some sort of Orson Wells-type eccentric. He'll be remembered for the altering - not the actual films.
Go get 'em George. I think you should release 6 new versions every year. "Hey, which version of Star Wars do you have?...I have Star Wars 7.2 - service pack 3."
Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
Im drained of it all and couldnt care anymore, good old George can release 50 special editions for all i care.....
Im drained of it all and couldnt care anymore, good old George can release 50 special editions for all i care.....
That's exactly how I feel also. There's the original versions only, in my world. I already have the only versions I'll ever watch.
Lucas is just becoming some sort of Orson Wells-type eccentric. He'll be remembered for the altering - not the actual films.
Go get 'em George. I think you should release 6 new versions every year. "Hey, which version of Star Wars do you have?...I have Star Wars 7.2 - service pack 3."
HAH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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- #164083
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- McCallum comments on the TV series and the prequel special editions
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/164083/action/topic#164083
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I do wonder if his decision to cut those scenes and then not edit them into the movie for the DVD was merely a marketing plan so that he could sell his "revised special edition DVD" of ROTS sometime in the future, as Rick McCallum called it.
Anything those people do at LFL is suspect.......they constantly find ways to make themselves look like greedy, money-loving bloodsuckers.
If you doubt me....go to the video store and see the latest "release" of the OT.
Lucas was aiming for a Virgin Birth scenario, what with Anakin having no father and being the Chosen One (i.e. "annointed one," literally "Messiah" or "Christ"). An Immaculate Conception makes no sense, because there is no JudeoChristian God (that we know of) in the Star Wars universe, and there is no reason to believe that Star Wars humans are descended from Adam, one of that God's creatures. Even if the idea of an immaculate conception did exist in the Star Wars universe, in a more general sense, Anakin's conception certainly wasn't without some original sin -- he was created by Sith magic, which is about as sinful as you can get. So while the Immaculate Conception theory had some small hope of life before 2005, RotS blew it out of the water. The idea should be discarded like the nonsensical speculation it was.
I never looked at it that way....the JudeoChristian thing and how it doesn't really work in the SW universe. But you are right about ROTS blowing it out of the water. I never liked the whole "immaculate conception" idea from TPM anyway. Thought it was incredibly hokey.
On another note.....I've heard that whole JudeoChristian Messiah stuff attached to the first Superman movie with Christopher Reeve. That always rubbed my the wrong way too. Superman being portrayed as some sort of messiah is kinda silly. I think the whole messiah, savior thing is silly. Like one being can save all of us from evil or whatever......rolls eyes.
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- #164069
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- McCallum comments on the TV series and the prequel special editions
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/164069/action/topic#164069
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Sometimes I do wonder what his issue is with continuity and plot elements. I mean, he cut the scene showing the beginning of the rebellion because he claims it "wasn't really important to the stroy." What... the hell? Filming that scene was one of the best decisions he made in tying the two trilogies together. Yet what does he do? He cuts it.
And then the Yoda arriving on Dagobah scne. He cuts it because "we already know where he goes." What? No we don't. Not if we are seeing things for the first time.
Sometimes I do wonder what his issue is with continuity and plot elements. I mean, he cut the scene showing the beginning of the rebellion because he claims it "wasn't really important to the stroy." What... the hell? Filming that scene was one of the best decisions he made in tying the two trilogies together. Yet what does he do? He cuts it.
And then the Yoda arriving on Dagobah scne. He cuts it because "we already know where he goes." What? No we don't. Not if we are seeing things for the first time.
Wasn't there a debate a month or so ago on this board about these two scenes getting cut? I agree that they damn well should be in there...especially the Rebellion scene. That was way too important of a development to be left on the cutting room floor.
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- #164055
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- McCallum comments on the TV series and the prequel special editions
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/164055/action/topic#164055
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Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
Even if he pulled the unexpected Prequel story as he did, I personally and i am sure others would have no problem with that if the continuty issues the plot holes and inconsistencies that people bring up and i have noticed were addressed and not present in the films/saga
I hate when Prequel fans say you dont like the Prequels/Prequel story because Lucas didnt write it they you wanted it or expected it when i find BS it just wasnt executed good enough thats the problem IMO for me and others probably...
Even if he pulled the unexpected Prequel story as he did, I personally and i am sure others would have no problem with that if the continuty issues the plot holes and inconsistencies that people bring up and i have noticed were addressed and not present in the films/saga
I hate when Prequel fans say you dont like the Prequels/Prequel story because Lucas didnt write it they you wanted it or expected it when i find BS it just wasnt executed good enough thats the problem IMO for me and others probably...
I generally don't have a problem with the way the Prequels were layed out storywise. I think it could have been better if Lucas had stuck to the the hints that were dropped in the OT about what happened in the PT, but such is life.
I have a problem with all the little stuff that was messed up: Anakin's and Obi-Wan's "friendship", the way Beru and Owen played into the story, the failure to show the beginnings of the Rebellion, Anakin's and Padme's romance.
Then there was the stuff that just came out of left field: Anakin creating C-3PO, the midiclorians, the conception by the force, the allusion that Palpatine created Anakin.
Then there are the major points: Anakin's turn to the dark side, Padme's whole role as Anakin was falling to the dark side, Padme's death, Boba Fett's origins, Palpatine's seizure of power, the Jedi being portrayed in a way that we don't really care when they are killed.
The basic story to the Prequels was okay at best....nothing really mind blowing to me, but when you throw all this other stuff into the mix, you hurt things a lot. If Lucas had dropped much of this stuff and gotten the rest right, the Prequels would actually be quite good.
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- #164049
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- McCallum comments on the TV series and the prequel special editions
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/164049/action/topic#164049
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Case and point:
It wasn't enough to have Anakin born on Tatooine and have a senario where he was inspired to go on some idealistic crusade (clone wars) with Kenobi...instead we have a plot where Anakin is turned into a 9 year old immaculate concepted slave boy with a high midichlorian count, who by chance creates 3PO in his spare time.. Obi-Wan never discovers him, and only trains Anakin in the first place because of an oath to his dying master, after Anakin is trained as a Jedi he falls in love with a human wardrobe malfunction called a Padme' and ingages in romatic dialogue that makes a Harrlequin novel look like romeo and Juliet, because of this love for Padme, and because his mother was killed by Sandpeople, he is quick to turn into a child serial killer for the chance of saving his wife, who by the way dies from the lost will to live after popping out twins...Kenobi then delivers baby Luke to a couple he's never met before, and rides off on an eeopie....
This baffles me too. It's like Lucas watched the OOT and said, "ok...it's obvious what has to happen in the prequels when you watch these movies, so everyone is assuming that this stuff is gonna happen. What I'm going to do is do the EXACT opposite and everyone will think it's great."
The story to the prequels should have been the easiest damn thing to write. That should have been the easiest thing to develop in the whole damn trilogy.
I just feel like Lucas played a really bad joke on us. Bad in quality most of all.
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- #163959
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- McCallum comments on the TV series and the prequel special editions
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/163959/action/topic#163959
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I just don't see what's so funny about a star wars TV show.
There is NOTHING funny about a Star Wars TV show.
And there probably won't be ANYTHING good about a Star Wars TV show either.....
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- #163949
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- what did you get for xmas this year?
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/163949/action/topic#163949
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Ultimate Spider-Man is soooooooooooo cool!!!!!!
'Course, I really want to get into Quake 4 and Half Life 2......I'm tired of playing Jedi Outcast........been banned from virtually every server out there. No laming, admin infested crap servers!!!!
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- #163947
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- McCallum comments on the TV series and the prequel special editions
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/163947/action/topic#163947
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- #163899
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- McCallum comments on the TV series and the prequel special editions
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/163899/action/topic#163899
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Originally posted by: Scruffy
I found another beautiful McCallum quote at http://www.chefelf.com/starwars/ep2_31-40.php -- this one about Episode II. It doesn't have a citation, but I'll assume it's accurate.
This puts to the test McCallum's notion that he knew what was going to be in Episode III many years in advance. If he didn't even know the broad outlines of the plot (or, hell, Boba Fett's motivation in ESB), there's no way he knew specifics like the dialog on Mustafar. His reading of Episode II is pretty senseless, too. Why would Boba Fett hate the Skywalker family? Obi-Wan ruined the nice little home they had on Kamino. Yoda led the attack on Geonosis. Mace Windu killed his dad. Does this guy not think before he speaks, or is he just some actor hired to be the public face of Lucasfilm?
I'm calling shenanigans on you, Rick McCallum. George Lucas is still playing Independent Filmmaker with a Vision, and maybe that's what he still is, but you're Hollywood all the way. You're a liar and a profitteer. Get lost and let someone who cares about the franchise run things.
I found another beautiful McCallum quote at http://www.chefelf.com/starwars/ep2_31-40.php -- this one about Episode II. It doesn't have a citation, but I'll assume it's accurate.
"You get to understand the relentlessness that Boba has," McCallum says. "Here, and especially in 'Episode III,' you’ll understand why he’s so obsessed with destroying any part of the Skywalker family."
This puts to the test McCallum's notion that he knew what was going to be in Episode III many years in advance. If he didn't even know the broad outlines of the plot (or, hell, Boba Fett's motivation in ESB), there's no way he knew specifics like the dialog on Mustafar. His reading of Episode II is pretty senseless, too. Why would Boba Fett hate the Skywalker family? Obi-Wan ruined the nice little home they had on Kamino. Yoda led the attack on Geonosis. Mace Windu killed his dad. Does this guy not think before he speaks, or is he just some actor hired to be the public face of Lucasfilm?
I'm calling shenanigans on you, Rick McCallum. George Lucas is still playing Independent Filmmaker with a Vision, and maybe that's what he still is, but you're Hollywood all the way. You're a liar and a profitteer. Get lost and let someone who cares about the franchise run things.
That quote is unbelieveable!!! Did RM even SEE the damn OT?!?!? Boba Fett was never obsessed with the Skywalker family. If anything, he hates the Jedi and that explains why Fett went after Luke so quickly in ROTJ.
This quote, if accurate, clearly show that RM is not in touch with the basics of SW.......one wonders where that puts Lucas....