Bingowings

"I find your lack of eyelids and dental work disturbing."

Ripplin said:

Nice work yet again. I especially like the last frame. The deflection flash looks much better. The original looks like...something I can't quite think of. Part of some comapny's film logo. Paramount? I dunno. Sorta lens flarish.

It's rather like the torch of Columbia

doubleofive said:

Bingowings said:

Here's my first stab at beefing up the crawl :

I love this new crawl.  Can you type it out for us in whole?

 

"STAR WARS 

Episode VI 

THE RETURN OF THE JEDI 

The Alliance is doomed.

Hunted by the Imperial Star Fleet and suffering terrible losses the Rebels have retreated to the rim world of SULLUST hoping to strike back against the tyrannical EMPIRE.

Sensing ultimate victory LORD VADER and his cruel EMPEROR have begun construction of a new battlestation even more powerful than the first dreaded DEATH STAR.

Luke Skywalker has returned to his homeworld of TATOOINE to rescue his friend Han Solo from the vile gangster JABBA THE HUTT unaware of the sinister plots laid against him...."

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Octorox said:

I don't know about showing Luke on Dagobah before we see his entrance on Tatooine. The way the new and improved Jedi Luke is presented is pretty effective.

The idea for that edit is to make it seem like Luke spent more than a week becoming a Jedi.  This way, he has spent an indeterminate amount of time on Dagobah - we assume after ESB he returned there to finish training, then he finishes, Yoda dies, and he leaves.

(The Fan-O-Matic thread is even more radical, changing Ben's scene to take place on Tatooine, though I think that's technically infeasible given the footage available)

And honestly, even if I didn't do all that, I would rewrite the crawl anyway.  The only reason is that it's boring.  Look at ANH:  "It is a period of civil war."  ESB:  "It is a dark time for the Rebellion."  ROTJ:  "Luke Skywalker has returned to his home planet of Tatooine in an attempt to rescue his friend Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt."  Wow.  Talk about boring, and a mouthful to boot.

 

But doesn't Luke say at the end of ESB that he is going to Jabbas palace pretty much right away?

He says that they will meet at the rendezvous point on Tatooine as soon as Lando has tracked down Han.

Presumably there was some planning involved and Lando getting into the Palace without Boba Fett kicking up a stink would take some negotiation (I don't think for a minute that mask would fool him).

 

yeah, I guess it would work then. But, how does Luke know when the leave Dagobah. He justs seems to leave when Yoda dies. Isn't that rather convenient timing?

 

Yoda hangs on to life long enough to complete his training (but to be a Jedi Luke has to face some home truths).

Ben's spirit now tells him Leia is his sister and like Luke has the potential to be both a Jedi and a Sith (and going by the way she stands over Lando while Chewie chokes the life out of him a tactic she later uses on Jabba, she has enough of her Father in her to be just as much of a danger in the wrong hands as Vader was).

The rescue is already on the way but now he has an added Jedi reason to protect Leia (to stop her from being discovered by Palpatine and turned into his new apprentice).

When he rushed to save Han, Leia etc in ESB it was out of pure emotional attachment, when he saves the gang in ROTJ it's now part of a bigger picture.

Octorox said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Octorox said:

I don't know about showing Luke on Dagobah before we see his entrance on Tatooine. The way the new and improved Jedi Luke is presented is pretty effective.

The idea for that edit is to make it seem like Luke spent more than a week becoming a Jedi.  This way, he has spent an indeterminate amount of time on Dagobah - we assume after ESB he returned there to finish training, then he finishes, Yoda dies, and he leaves.

(The Fan-O-Matic thread is even more radical, changing Ben's scene to take place on Tatooine, though I think that's technically infeasible given the footage available)

And honestly, even if I didn't do all that, I would rewrite the crawl anyway.  The only reason is that it's boring.  Look at ANH:  "It is a period of civil war."  ESB:  "It is a dark time for the Rebellion."  ROTJ:  "Luke Skywalker has returned to his home planet of Tatooine in an attempt to rescue his friend Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt."  Wow.  Talk about boring, and a mouthful to boot.

 

But doesn't Luke say at the end of ESB that he is going to Jabbas palace pretty much right away?

He says that they will meet at the rendezvous point on Tatooine as soon as Lando has tracked down Han.

Presumably there was some planning involved and Lando getting into the Palace without Boba Fett kicking up a stink would take some negotiation (I don't think for a minute that mask would fool him).

Here's a link to novel artwork (which looked much better in my opinion) I shan't put it up as it's huge.

http://the-trukstop.com/articles/2008/images/star_wars_wallpaper_3/sote.jpg 

So is Ben going to be clone OB1 then?

It was one of the big rumours back in the day.

R2D2 is refered to in writing as Artoo Detoo so why not the other way round?

EyeShotFirst said:

Does anybody have a high resolution version of this image. I am working on an project for it. Also tell me about the fun times you all had with SOTE. to me SOTE is probably the best thing to happen to star wars since the beginning. EPIC GAME

 

The novel  and the comic had some good bits but the game was as utter bobbins.

Dash Rendar is a stupid Han rip-off with a stupid name and dresses like a go-go boy.

darthmunky said:

Octorox said:

Here's an idea. artificially slow down all of the emperor's lines and add the deep vocal effect from ROTS. The emperor sounds so stupid in ROTJ IMO. Make his eyes more like ROTS too.

 

IMO, his eyes (and entire face) were terrible looking in ROTS. He should be altered in ROTS to look like he does in ROTJ

Palpatine in ROTJ and most the prequels is one of the best things in the whole of Star Wars.

But as soon as he puts on that stupid voice in ROTS he becomes an utter tit, I agree change ROTS to match ROTJ not the other way around.

 Double post!

Sorry.

ben_danger said:

you should really check out the rotj fan o matic. there is a really good edit of the rebel briefing scene. luke is assumed to already have joined the fleet, so i guess his xwing would just follow the falcon.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f19SnqUkAlA&feature=channel

 

love the idea of the saber reconstruction on dagobah. would be great!

I appreciate it's rough and ready but it certainly puts the brief into briefing.

Oh Gods ! That set (what a piece of junk!), Admiral Ackbar channeling Robin Day and General Madine phoning his performance in.... hells bells I hate that scene even the OT cast can't save it.

It's years since I listened to the radio version are there any better vocal elements in that that can be used?

ben_danger said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I'd rewritten the crawl based on some of the ideas presented in the "Fan-O-Matic" thread.  Note that this crawl assumes the movie plays out in this order:

1. Vader arrives on DSII
2. Leia delivers Chewie to Jabba
3. Luke is on Dagobah, Yoda dies, Obi-Wan tells Luke of Leia (which works well because the next scene is...)
4. Leia frees Han, is captured
5. Luke arrives on Tatooine.
6. Droids attempt to deliver message, but are taken captive

 

please please please do this!

There's no need to massively re-write (other than adjusting the bit about Luke to have return to Dagobah to complete his training instead) the crawl to do that but a really interesting edit idea.

It may be easier to reshoot the sabre construction/hologram scene on Dagobah than on Tatooine too (making his new sabre could be the final part of his training).

Getting around the black glove would be a bugger though.

It would add a bit more menace to Boussh and really start Jedi off on a the same downer ESB ended on.

Yoda dead, Vader his dad, new Death Star , Chewie captured, droids captured, Han and Leia (his sister... which he snogged) captured, Rancor, Sarlacc...it never rains but it pours...

You'd have to remove Luke's return to the fleet though (not that I'm fussed that whole scene needs working on).

If you are going down that route you could start with Luke have a little dogfight on his way to Dagobah (Star Wars films start better with a battle) have him shoot down a few TIE's in his X-Wing one last time then land.

Then Vader, The Dagobah stuff, the mighty Boushh, Droids, Han/Leia and then the return of the not quite Jedi.

Add another peril into an already really bad day.

It's just a mock up so I can add as many dots as you like Chainsaw (I missed a full stop after DEATH STAR anyhoo).

ChainsawAsh said:

Octorox said:

TMBTM said:

If its the enemy I guess I can understand it, like a mystical powers arm race.

Maybe, we can find a plot AROUND cloning without ANY stormtroopers clones at all.

You know, the bad guy finds a way to clone people and he begin to clone some high members of the Republic to take control, step by step. The Jedi begin to suspect something. Everyone's getting paranoid. And that is the Clone War, a kind of cold war...

 

You guys need to remember that Star Wars is NOT SCI-FI. It's a fantasy/western/adventure story set in space. Cloning should NOT play a large part in the plot or your heading into sci-fi territory. Using cloning to amass an army steers clear of sci-fi because it doesn't really affect the plot that their clones. However, replacing important characters with clones seems like a no no to me because it's a very sci-fi concept. Futuristic space tech is just an element of setting in Star Wars, not of plot.

I really don't understand this mentality at all.  Star Wars is CLEARLY sci-fi.  Not necessarily "Star Trek" sci-fi where every minute detail has to be explained in a scientific way - THAT'S the difference.

Carbon freezing?  That's not sci-fi?  That's not an element of plot?  Hyperspace?  Huge space stations that can destroy planets?

I agree that Star Wars is a fantasy/adventure story in space, but to say that it's not sci-fi is kind of narrow-minded.  I'd describe it as a sci-fi fantasy, where certain things are explained away by the "fantasy" aspect and others the "sci-fi" aspect, as opposed to other sci-fi stories were everything is explained by it being "sci-fi" (Blade Runner, Alien, Dune, Star Trek ... )

Science Fiction is an unfortunate genre label.

What the term really refers to is Speculative Fiction, writers and readers are given a set of items which have yet to have been proven to exist and from that selection of ideas a story is created set in a world with those plausible but as currently realised items.

Bladerunner, 2001, Dune fit that criteria.

Star Trek sits in the middle (sound in space doesn't work but space warping might).

Star Wars doesn't fit at all, it uses space as the far and distant land of ancient myth so it's Space Fantasy.

That doesn't make it less a story telling realm and the story still has to obey the rules of that fantasy landscape but the audience doesn't expect or need for it to make scientific sense.

It's Sinbad with laser swords.

ChainsawAsh said:

I'm not sure that angle works best.  It makes it look like a strange alien ship, like one of the Rebels', instead of the Executor.

Oh I agree but finding a shot of the wedgeee angle has not yielded any catches for me yet.

Here's my first stab at beefing up the crawl :

Octorox said:

TMBTM said:

If its the enemy I guess I can understand it, like a mystical powers arm race.

Maybe, we can find a plot AROUND cloning without ANY stormtroopers clones at all.

You know, the bad guy finds a way to clone people and he begin to clone some high members of the Republic to take control, step by step. The Jedi begin to suspect something. Everyone's getting paranoid. And that is the Clone War, a kind of cold war...

 

You guys need to remember that Star Wars is NOT SCI-FI. It's a fantasy/western/adventure story set in space. Cloning should NOT play a large part in the plot or your heading into sci-fi territory. Using cloning to amass an army steers clear of sci-fi because it doesn't really affect the plot that their clones. However, replacing important characters with clones seems like a no no to me because it's a very sci-fi concept. Futuristic space tech is just an element of setting in Star Wars, not of plot.

Replacing characters with evil copies is the stuff of legend, it's Changelings, Doppelgangers and the like, the clone thing just gives it a space aged edge so I wouldn't object to it within a space fantasy context as long as it's a metaphor for something of a mythical flavour.

Octorox said:

ben_danger said:

i know ill get egged for this, but ill love to see stormtroopers with clone trooper markings...

 

if only there was someone with exceptional photoshop skills around here......;)

 

like this:

 

http://bsmbow.blogspot.com/2007/04/star-wars-dvd-april-fool.html

I liked the fact that Vader's wonky chest plate is still wonky, It's just the thing Lucas would do, tart up here and there but forget to fix things.

They must have spent a fortune animating TPM's Jabba for the DVD and then they coloured him incorrectly and left in all the mistakes that Adywan spent time isolating and putting right.

Come to think of it, did Ady fix the chest plate?

BarBar Jinkx said:

Where is Ady anywayz it seems like forever since he's been on here!

Besides working his teeth off on fixing Star Wars films he has a real life too, I'm sure he will get around to commenting in good time.

"Don't say that master, you're the closest thing I have to a...3D modelling expert type thing...mmm."

It was taken at an exhibition but I did just google it.

So I can't claim to be responsible for taking it (i'm a terrible Magpie).

Obviously I still had to put a light to the engines.

I'm starting to think we could (between the people posting here) produce virtual storyboards for alternate ROTJs with all the extra trimmings.

It would be a great resource for anyone doing an overhaul of Episode VI.

Very nice work there, very nice indeed!

I cobbled together this view of the Executor dropping Vader off with a hint of contruction around the Death Star.

I did think last night that it would be fun to remove the Torture Droid and replace it with a couple of smaller ones to mirror Darth Maul's probes.

That way the mind probes are Sith issue instead of standard Imperial equipment (something that Vader personally uses with the Force to reach into the minds of his victims).

The needle looks too here and now and it must be a bugger for the poor thing to stick it's patient.

vaderios said:

The perpespective seems a bit odd. From far it works.

Why you don't use a 3d model? :)

-Angel

 

I haven't ever tried 3d modeling, for one thing I haven't the software on this Mac thing and for another I'm not even fully competant at working in 2d.

I'm terrible at cutting around edges (even with real paper), too many late nights doing tiny patterns with white ink on black ink drawings in a candle lit room does terrors to ancient eyes.

vaderios said:

The Endor is 3d model?

The forest moon is the original matte, the gas planet is a painting of Uranus, the Death Star is my own attempt to simulate the back of the thing (rather slapped together as can be seen in close up).

Rather than spending nearly two decades building a Death Star (that it would later take three or four years to rebuild bigger) here are the Sith over-seeing the construction of the new Imperial Star Destroyers :

vaderios said:

Very Cool! Still if the planet is the gas giant it should be bigger that its moon :)

I like the extreme perspective of the shot!

-Angel

I feel a Father Ted style explanation of perspective coming on.

I wanted it to look different from Yavin so I put the moon quite far away from it's parent.