Bingowings

Octorox said:

I'd like to see a scene after the rebels victory but before the throne room awards that shows Vader returning to coruscant and handing Obi-Wan's saber to the Emperor saying "Order 66 is complete my master" or something along those lines. Or even saying "I have failed" in regards to the Death Star and then the emperor shocks Vader. wishful thinking I know. Glimpses of Coruscant throughout the OT would be nice because it's pretty much the focal point in the Pt and yet is never seen in the OT.

Like a serious version of the now immortal Robot Chicken skit?

That adds a lot more grandeur to old prune face's entrance, I would still like to see him have a fancier shuttle than Vader's.

The other real problem is the docking bay that Vader lands in is clearly meant to be a different smaller one and the mattes help with that but the set elements look exactly the same.

Editors like Adywan have worked wonders but are there any other ideas that could be worked on by other editors to add even more to what has already been accomplished.

Here’s a couple of crude mockups to get the ball rolling.

1st, That Jabba Scene…surplus to requirement at the moment but by adding different subtitles and re-colouring it to match his look in ROTJ it could add more than just say again what the Greedo scene did so well (especially if someone could work out what to do with his tail without Han stepping on it).

Holographic communications appear in every Star Wars film but in ANH all we get is Leia’s message.

It would make sense that Tarkin would want to get news about Dantooine ASAP so why not have the message delivered over the holonet?

That big ball on the conference table must serve some function (not unless it’s for Imperial Fondue parties).

ben_danger said:

the whole fett thing will make an awesome special feature on ROTJ:R, even if ady doesnt decide to use it. do any of those 501st guys that vaderios contacted have fett costumes?

 

isnt it time we renamed this thread?

This has become more of a ROTJ wishlist now because ESB:R is nearer to being a reality but renaming it would be a job for teharri besides there are still some good ESB ideas on here which ESB editors including Adywan might still want to use.

As for filming the extra elements it's possible, just look what the team behind Return Of Pink Five managed to do and that was all from scratch (not a fan edit) :

http://www.atom.com/funny_videos/return_pink/ 

vaderios said:

I take it back. He is not Evil.

IT is evil, This lightsaber is pain in the ass to fix it ( if you can call it a fix)

It looks like a massive job because not only does the blade need to be re-done, the background needs to be restored too and it's too thick on even the OUT version which possibly means that has to be done by hand too (that's every frame that has a lightsabre in it, a massive project all in itself unless Adywan has some mystical energy field up his sleeve).

Ripplin said:

Maybe it's the antibiotics and painkillers going through me to numb my crazy toothache, but I don't get why do you say Ackbar gets shafted.

Because the location information is bait, Vader and Palpatine will trap them with the fleet, the troops on the moon and the Death Star.

For Vader he gets the Rebels and Palpatine out of his way and Luke for an apprentice.

For Palpatine he gets the Rebels and Vader out of his way and Luke for an apprentice.

Neither of them have factored in Luke not turning, the Ewoks being an effective fighting force and Lando being a clever tactician.

Or long story short "It's a trap!"

But Fett is richer and lives to hunt another day.

vaderios said:

I like the aproach! But im concerned if its too busy. I mean First is dificult to made and secondly this subplot is better to have mystery. Besides Mr B is just a bounty hunter. It has to do the job quickly and silent.

Why he is talking to Mr vader?

 

-Angel

Vader is a client he spent some time talking to and even haggling with Vader in ESB.

In ESB he found the Falcon for Vader and Han for Jabba in one job.

Here he finds the Death Star location for the Rebels and sets up Palpatine and the Rebels for Vader (Palpatine doesn't mind because he is overly confident that his fully armed and operational battlestation will rid him of the Rebels and his new apprentice will rid him of Vader).

Fett gets paid twice for the same job yet again.

I took the liberty of pinching your Slave One interior, I hope you don't mind but if I am to pinch I thought it ok to pinch from the best.

vaderios said:

As Bingowings said: Some storyboard of the possibly Mr Boba's insert to Rebellion's fate.

First Shot: A ship is approaching fast a fleet (rebels) that is gathering/ or some ships whatever. It enters into a hangar.

Second Shot. We see it landing. Dark hangar. The door is open and some light fills the place. We see someone ( boba) walks down of the ship and meet some ppl.

Third shot. Behind of boba) to walk.

Fourth Shot: We see some rebels ( in the pic are random) They talk

Fifth shot: Mr B gives the plans to the rebels. A payment agreement.

Final Shot: Out of the hangar camera.We see B's ship take off and Fly to the camera.

-Angel

Here's my go, now the nod that Fett gives Boussh and the line, "I hope it's worth the price we paid for it" have different meanings.

The Rebels hire Fett to find the location and Fett get's it straight out of the Sith Lord's mouth (two paychecks for one job just like in ESB).

vaderios said:

Bingowings said:

vaderios said:

What boba and DS location?

Maul-Grievous route? Grievous talks too much :P

-Angel

 

A few posts back the idea was kicked around of having Boba Fett leave Tatooine before the Sail Barge fight on a job (the job being selling the Death Star/Emperor location to the Rebels, instead of the Bothans so he doesn't get killed and does his job which is Bounty hunting).

So we'd need a shot of Slave One leaving Tatooine at night, one approaching the rebel fleet, and one of him keeping out of sight in the briefing room negotiating his price but out of sight of Han & Co.

Up to the task?

As for Grievous Maul it could be done if he was redubbed but I'm not sure about it myself.

 

Ah! That was in other topic i think.

Ye i see what i can do :)

-Angel

Edit: The idea is good, but i see no point to see boba's arival. He is not a main character and i like the idea of the not all visible like AOTC that the camera folows Jango to Geonosis after the asteroid chase.

Its good to see some hangar shots with slave1 in the background and Mr boba to make the deal and of course his departure from the hangar.

 

 

 

Sorry I got my threads mixed up, I'm pushing so many ideas from one to the other that it's understandable I might get confused, put it down to old age.

It think some of the Cloud City shots from ESB might work inside the Rebel ship (white walls and all) though we would possibly need to get a voice actor who sounds a bit like Boba Fett to add a few lines (but maybe not he manages to get the job done with very little speaking in ESB).

But that is rightfully a discussion for the ESB/ROTJ wish list thread.

vaderios said:

What boba and DS location?

Maul-Grievous route? Grievous talks too much :P

-Angel

 

A few posts back the idea was kicked around of having Boba Fett leave Tatooine before the Sail Barge fight on a job (the job being selling the Death Star/Emperor location to the Rebels, instead of the Bothans so he doesn't get killed and does his job which is Bounty hunting).

So we'd need a shot of Slave One leaving Tatooine at night, one approaching the rebel fleet, and one of him keeping out of sight in the briefing room negotiating his price but out of sight of Han & Co.

Up to the task?

As for Grievous Maul it could be done if he was redubbed but I'm not sure about it myself.

 It should be possible to change all of the General's lines and add a few lines of Maul into the prequels via other sources like TPM video game.

vaderios said:

Darth Solo said:

Im still fighting with it to do basic crap like resize and colour tint selected layers (im stupid see). I know theres loads of tutorials out there but im trying to teach myself (so as to make me less retarded). But I guess i agree that Photoshop is epic though, based on what youve achieved with it vaderios ;-)

I'm self tought too. Imagine that I've learned PS to my Instructor in my University. All it need its time. :)

Notice the lights ImpFighter :)

-Angel

 

I'm a self taught too but my teacher is an ass and I'm a lazy student.

Ady uses mostly still image manipulation to do a lot of his shots, so if you got yourself After Effects you could turn these single frame epics into full blown movie sequences.

I'm going to get into using Cinelerra for my stab at making the Exorcist prequels into one watchable film (because it's free) but you clearly have a head start and an eye for what works.

WheresBlackhawk said:

Bingowings, one of my goals is to make Obiwan not "the biggest fibber in the galaxy."

That's a tall order with even the OT as it stands but I'm behind you all the way on that one.

vaderios said:

An idea of less colorful shots. Still i like the idea of stealing lightsabers from Jedis :)

-Angel

 

That would be great if someone wanted to go down the Maul Grievous route.

Any chance of doing a mock-up of the Boba Fett leaving Tatooine and selling the Death Star location idea mentioned a few posts back as a mock up?

I don't want to turn you into a mock-up machine so only do it if you have the time and the inclination.

TheBoost said:

This thread is AWESOME and I would like nothing more than to play a part in this braintrust.

 

Here are some questions that might lead down interesting paths.

-What if the Jedi deserved to be destroyed? What if they, as a religion, were too powerful, too comfortable, and many of them were turning their back on the true path? I'm inspired by the medieval Catholic church, where the clergy weilded more power than kings and more than half of all priests and most popes had illigetimate kids. Perhaps a handful of Jedi, like Quigon, might still be faithful, but as a whole it's a decaying institution. This would put Luke as the start of a fresh, pure Jedi order.

-What if the Republic was hopelessly corrupt as well? What if Anakin and Obiwan were part of a valid revolution, but where Obiwan was on the side to redeem and reform the Republic, whereas Anakin finds himself more in the 'burn it all, behead your enemies, reform a dictatorship' camp. (A little Oliver Cromwell. a little Napoleon)

-What if Anakin, publicly as Anakin, was leader of the Storm Troopers, President Palpatine's personal security force? He eventually renounces the Jedi and becomes head of this 'Secret Police' (very Nazi Brownshirts). He could even wear a white, helmetless version of the Vader armor. If the Jedi are outlawed, he could lead the hunt for them as Anakin, not becoming Vader until Obiwan makes him all crippleified.

-I think Anakin doesn't need to get married. Maybe he doesn't even KNOW his lady is pregnant, since their affair is secret anyways. Maybe she's married. Maybe Bail Organa can't have kids, and his wife is schtupping a Jedi on the side, and he's fine with it.

-What if Anakin never even becomes a Jedi? Obiwan meets him, they become buddies, and then Obiwan tries to instruct him in the Force, and Anakin just goes bad from the start? I don't love this idea, but I think there's nothing in the OT that says Anakin had to be a Jedi.

 

"I was once a Jedi Knight the same as your father", admittedly this is coming from Obi-Wan the biggest fibber in the galaxy but it would seem to point to Vader getting to the Jedi Knight stage before going down hill.

vaderios you have a real flair for this sort of work, you should move up to animating these ideas.

Adywan is self taught and I'm sure he could point you in the right direction.

ChainsawAsh said:

3D animation is incredibly difficult.  Why would 2D be harder?  Look at animated TV.  How much of it is animated in 2D?  Family Guy, The Simpsons, Futurama, King of the Hill, almost any Adult Swim show (Robot Chicken doesn't count, it's stop-motion), et cetera.  And how many 3D-animated TV shows do you know?  Clone Wars ... um ... yeah.  Not to say that Futurama and occasionally Simpsons don't use 3D animation, but it's mostly 2D.

I use TV as an example because of the volume of work they have to do each year - think of that, and think of us doing 3 two-hour movies.  We do want to finish this in our lifetimes.

I also room with an animation student.  Trust me, it would be a lot easier to do 2D animation than 3D.

There is a precedent for this sort of project being done in a mixture of 2D and 3D.

The television show Doctor Who started in 1963 but many episodes were lost forever because the master tapes were taped over to save money.

However the soundtracks still exist (largely because of people taping the audio off the television set) and there are groups working on animating the missing episodes by dividing the labour).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jun/26/bbc.doctorwho 

They have the acting, the sound design, the look of the thing and scripts done before they started.

It's more important to get the ideas together, then the script, then the audio play and then we can start looking at what animation style to use.

At the moment we have nothing but a few story ideas floating in the air.

Luiswookiee said:

ImperialFighter said:

Here's a good shot of that actual 'puppet' model from the front this time -  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2120/2378370309_8ca035b6a3.jpg?v=0

Wow! I took that picture (http://www.flickr.com/photos/laapmx/2378370309/). I'm glad you can use it to illustrate your comments. I've been visiting this forum for a while now and I think Adywan is amazing (I've watched ANH:R, of course).

Greetings, and thank you all. :-)

 

I tried adding my stalactite/stalagmite desecrations to your photo too, but sadly (or not depending on your point of view) I'm utter rubbish.

Photo's like yours are really useful when trying to illustrate points on here so it's great that you put them out there for everyone.

I've moved the Endor side of the conversation over to ESB/ROTJ Wishlist thread.

Bingowings said:

Once again another beautiful job, it makes me wonder why those things weren't built into the bigger capital ships if they could case that much disruption.

If Ackbar had one of those fitted to his ship he could have cleared a path through during the battle of Endor.

Bingowings said:

vaderios said:

Actually Ion Cannons are placed here and there in capital ships. Even Y-Wings have them. You can hear the sound of them many times in ROTJ. Considering that the ships must balance Shields-Speed-Power, the stunt effect of ion cannons are considerably less powerfull that Hoth's one.

-Angel

 

Perhaps I should copy this over to the ESB/ROTJ wishlist thread but it would be nice to see a milder version of this effect during the Endor battle.

I copied this over from the ESB:R thread as it's more a ROTJ:R (or similar edit) idea.

vaderios said:

Actually Ion Cannons are placed here and there in capital ships. Even Y-Wings have them. You can hear the sound of them many times in ROTJ. Considering that the ships must balance Shields-Speed-Power, the stunt effect of ion cannons are considerably less powerfull that Hoth's one.

-Angel

Perhaps I should copy this over to the ESB/ROTJ wishlist thread but it would be nice to see a milder version of this effect during the Endor battle.

TheBoost said:

Forest Moon of Endor:

1. Add Endor so that the Forest Moon is actually a moon of something.

Watched "Jedi" last night. It seemed to me that since the DS and the moon are always in sunlight, the planet the forest moon is orbiting can very likely just be on the other side of the forest moon. The forest moon is a really big planet (at least Earth size apparently) not a small moon. It's completely possible that in all the wideshots the gas giant Endor is simply behind the planet, or behind the camera.

 

It does seem a bit cheap to make such a potentially large object perpertually camera shy.

The EU explanation is that the main planet was lost somehow but wouldn't that make the moon a fully fledged planet now?

vaderios said:

-Angel

Once again another beautiful job, it makes me wonder why those things weren't built into the bigger capital ships if they could case that much disruption.

If Ackbar had one of those fitted to his ship he could have cleared a path through during the battle of Endor.

Thanks Tobar, it looks more like just a mouth in a pit (a bit like the OUT Sarlacc only really big).

LexX said:

Knightmessenger said:

Also, episode III was never released on VHS. So you'll never see an official VHS set of all three prequels anyways.

 

 It was released at least in my country so I have the full PT on VHS, too. :)

It was definitely released in the UK, I picked it up in HMV when they were getting rid of their VHS cassettes.

Same here, I would love to see the edited versions.

HotRod said:

Bingowings said:

Ziz said:

Bingowings said:

Good question (an overbite only a Brit could come up with)

 

 

 

 

Yeah, maybe we should stay away from the 'Slug Jaws' type of thing!!

 

:)

 

Heaven's preserve Richard Kiel!

It is a mock-up not a final effect (it took me literally 5 minutes on photoshop and it shows) so joking aside, people shouldn't dismiss an idea because of a sketch on a napkin isn't mixed in Dobly 5.1.

Archie Goodwin used essentially the same idea in the Marvel Comic adaptation ,though he never showed the creature from the outside (can someone post a scan of this for completion sake? I can't find one.)

The idea is out there, some people like it, some people don't but Adywan will choose for this edit. (and whatever he says or doesn't say but just does I'll go with).