Bingowings

Octorox said:

TMBTM said:

If its the enemy I guess I can understand it, like a mystical powers arm race.

Maybe, we can find a plot AROUND cloning without ANY stormtroopers clones at all.

You know, the bad guy finds a way to clone people and he begin to clone some high members of the Republic to take control, step by step. The Jedi begin to suspect something. Everyone's getting paranoid. And that is the Clone War, a kind of cold war...

 

You guys need to remember that Star Wars is NOT SCI-FI. It's a fantasy/western/adventure story set in space. Cloning should NOT play a large part in the plot or your heading into sci-fi territory. Using cloning to amass an army steers clear of sci-fi because it doesn't really affect the plot that their clones. However, replacing important characters with clones seems like a no no to me because it's a very sci-fi concept. Futuristic space tech is just an element of setting in Star Wars, not of plot.

Replacing characters with evil copies is the stuff of legend, it's Changelings, Doppelgangers and the like, the clone thing just gives it a space aged edge so I wouldn't object to it within a space fantasy context as long as it's a metaphor for something of a mythical flavour.

Octorox said:

ben_danger said:

i know ill get egged for this, but ill love to see stormtroopers with clone trooper markings...

 

if only there was someone with exceptional photoshop skills around here......;)

 

like this:

 

http://bsmbow.blogspot.com/2007/04/star-wars-dvd-april-fool.html

I liked the fact that Vader's wonky chest plate is still wonky, It's just the thing Lucas would do, tart up here and there but forget to fix things.

They must have spent a fortune animating TPM's Jabba for the DVD and then they coloured him incorrectly and left in all the mistakes that Adywan spent time isolating and putting right.

Come to think of it, did Ady fix the chest plate?

BarBar Jinkx said:

Where is Ady anywayz it seems like forever since he's been on here!

Besides working his teeth off on fixing Star Wars films he has a real life too, I'm sure he will get around to commenting in good time.

"Don't say that master, you're the closest thing I have to a...3D modelling expert type thing...mmm."

It was taken at an exhibition but I did just google it.

So I can't claim to be responsible for taking it (i'm a terrible Magpie).

Obviously I still had to put a light to the engines.

I'm starting to think we could (between the people posting here) produce virtual storyboards for alternate ROTJs with all the extra trimmings.

It would be a great resource for anyone doing an overhaul of Episode VI.

Very nice work there, very nice indeed!

I cobbled together this view of the Executor dropping Vader off with a hint of contruction around the Death Star.

I did think last night that it would be fun to remove the Torture Droid and replace it with a couple of smaller ones to mirror Darth Maul's probes.

That way the mind probes are Sith issue instead of standard Imperial equipment (something that Vader personally uses with the Force to reach into the minds of his victims).

The needle looks too here and now and it must be a bugger for the poor thing to stick it's patient.

vaderios said:

The perpespective seems a bit odd. From far it works.

Why you don't use a 3d model? :)

-Angel

 

I haven't ever tried 3d modeling, for one thing I haven't the software on this Mac thing and for another I'm not even fully competant at working in 2d.

I'm terrible at cutting around edges (even with real paper), too many late nights doing tiny patterns with white ink on black ink drawings in a candle lit room does terrors to ancient eyes.

vaderios said:

The Endor is 3d model?

The forest moon is the original matte, the gas planet is a painting of Uranus, the Death Star is my own attempt to simulate the back of the thing (rather slapped together as can be seen in close up).

Rather than spending nearly two decades building a Death Star (that it would later take three or four years to rebuild bigger) here are the Sith over-seeing the construction of the new Imperial Star Destroyers :

vaderios said:

Very Cool! Still if the planet is the gas giant it should be bigger that its moon :)

I like the extreme perspective of the shot!

-Angel

I feel a Father Ted style explanation of perspective coming on.

I wanted it to look different from Yavin so I put the moon quite far away from it's parent.

Endor as the moon of a blue ringed gas giant (like Neptune) with the back of the Death Star crude mock-up type thing :

Octorox said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Blackhawk, we are DEFINITELY on the same page.  That just sounds amazing - God, if only the real prequels had been like this ...

And that outline makes me warm up quite a bit more to the whole "Sith" thing.

I'd comment more, but I'm still a bit overwhelmed by that outline, and I need to get some real-life stuff taken care of at the moment.  But wow, fantastic job there.

TheBoot, you have some good ideas, but it feels simultaneously too similar to ideas already presented to the point where it's really not much new, and too similar to the prequels as they exist today.  I know that seems contradictory, but that's the feeling I got when I read them.  Also, it's far too clear that Anakin is Vader at the end.  But there are some good ideas in there, as well.

 

I still really hate the OT of preserving the OT secrets in the prequels. I thought the whole point of the prequels were to show everything the characters talked about in the OT. Anakin's fall, the Empire's rise, The destruction of the Jedi, The Clone Wars, Palpatine's rise to power, Luke and Leia's birth and separation ect. I don't like the idea of never seeing Anakin's gradual fall to the dark side. Sorry guys, I'm just not seeing it. The prequels failing was all in writing, acting, direction in characterization, not in story or concepts.

In that case why not call them Episodes VII through to IX and tell that story as a flashback and tell an even earlier story for I to III.

That way you can tell your story of the origin of Anakin as Luke discovering his roots after Endor and not worry about surprises and people watching in chronological order remain spoiler free.

Then you get your trilogy of trilogies.

To be very daring you could make Episodes I to III after Endor and set up the reason why Luke needs to investigate his past.

So the three trilogies run in reverse.

It seemed a bit odd in the original landing bay that droids were on parade too.

You'd think that they would tuck them away for the arrival of the bossman.

Ziz said:

Why'd you change the shuttle element?  I think the original one looks better.

I imagine it's because of perspective, the scene seems to have been shifted slightly further over to the side to take in the gantry which would mean the original element wouldn't match up with the new vanishing point.

Perhaps a different form of tarting up the "Mind Probe" by focusing on the beam thing at the bottom instead of the needle.

OzoneSherrif said:

Nah that thing in the corner is the teleporter

Sure it isn't the ash tray?

Octorox said:

I'd like to see a scene after the rebels victory but before the throne room awards that shows Vader returning to coruscant and handing Obi-Wan's saber to the Emperor saying "Order 66 is complete my master" or something along those lines. Or even saying "I have failed" in regards to the Death Star and then the emperor shocks Vader. wishful thinking I know. Glimpses of Coruscant throughout the OT would be nice because it's pretty much the focal point in the Pt and yet is never seen in the OT.

Like a serious version of the now immortal Robot Chicken skit?

That adds a lot more grandeur to old prune face's entrance, I would still like to see him have a fancier shuttle than Vader's.

The other real problem is the docking bay that Vader lands in is clearly meant to be a different smaller one and the mattes help with that but the set elements look exactly the same.

Editors like Adywan have worked wonders but are there any other ideas that could be worked on by other editors to add even more to what has already been accomplished.

Here’s a couple of crude mockups to get the ball rolling.

1st, That Jabba Scene…surplus to requirement at the moment but by adding different subtitles and re-colouring it to match his look in ROTJ it could add more than just say again what the Greedo scene did so well (especially if someone could work out what to do with his tail without Han stepping on it).

Holographic communications appear in every Star Wars film but in ANH all we get is Leia’s message.

It would make sense that Tarkin would want to get news about Dantooine ASAP so why not have the message delivered over the holonet?

That big ball on the conference table must serve some function (not unless it’s for Imperial Fondue parties).

ben_danger said:

the whole fett thing will make an awesome special feature on ROTJ:R, even if ady doesnt decide to use it. do any of those 501st guys that vaderios contacted have fett costumes?

 

isnt it time we renamed this thread?

This has become more of a ROTJ wishlist now because ESB:R is nearer to being a reality but renaming it would be a job for teharri besides there are still some good ESB ideas on here which ESB editors including Adywan might still want to use.

As for filming the extra elements it's possible, just look what the team behind Return Of Pink Five managed to do and that was all from scratch (not a fan edit) :

http://www.atom.com/funny_videos/return_pink/ 

vaderios said:

I take it back. He is not Evil.

IT is evil, This lightsaber is pain in the ass to fix it ( if you can call it a fix)

It looks like a massive job because not only does the blade need to be re-done, the background needs to be restored too and it's too thick on even the OUT version which possibly means that has to be done by hand too (that's every frame that has a lightsabre in it, a massive project all in itself unless Adywan has some mystical energy field up his sleeve).

Ripplin said:

Maybe it's the antibiotics and painkillers going through me to numb my crazy toothache, but I don't get why do you say Ackbar gets shafted.

Because the location information is bait, Vader and Palpatine will trap them with the fleet, the troops on the moon and the Death Star.

For Vader he gets the Rebels and Palpatine out of his way and Luke for an apprentice.

For Palpatine he gets the Rebels and Vader out of his way and Luke for an apprentice.

Neither of them have factored in Luke not turning, the Ewoks being an effective fighting force and Lando being a clever tactician.

Or long story short "It's a trap!"

But Fett is richer and lives to hunt another day.

vaderios said:

I like the aproach! But im concerned if its too busy. I mean First is dificult to made and secondly this subplot is better to have mystery. Besides Mr B is just a bounty hunter. It has to do the job quickly and silent.

Why he is talking to Mr vader?

 

-Angel

Vader is a client he spent some time talking to and even haggling with Vader in ESB.

In ESB he found the Falcon for Vader and Han for Jabba in one job.

Here he finds the Death Star location for the Rebels and sets up Palpatine and the Rebels for Vader (Palpatine doesn't mind because he is overly confident that his fully armed and operational battlestation will rid him of the Rebels and his new apprentice will rid him of Vader).

Fett gets paid twice for the same job yet again.

I took the liberty of pinching your Slave One interior, I hope you don't mind but if I am to pinch I thought it ok to pinch from the best.

vaderios said:

As Bingowings said: Some storyboard of the possibly Mr Boba's insert to Rebellion's fate.

First Shot: A ship is approaching fast a fleet (rebels) that is gathering/ or some ships whatever. It enters into a hangar.

Second Shot. We see it landing. Dark hangar. The door is open and some light fills the place. We see someone ( boba) walks down of the ship and meet some ppl.

Third shot. Behind of boba) to walk.

Fourth Shot: We see some rebels ( in the pic are random) They talk

Fifth shot: Mr B gives the plans to the rebels. A payment agreement.

Final Shot: Out of the hangar camera.We see B's ship take off and Fly to the camera.

-Angel

Here's my go, now the nod that Fett gives Boussh and the line, "I hope it's worth the price we paid for it" have different meanings.

The Rebels hire Fett to find the location and Fett get's it straight out of the Sith Lord's mouth (two paychecks for one job just like in ESB).

vaderios said:

Bingowings said:

vaderios said:

What boba and DS location?

Maul-Grievous route? Grievous talks too much :P

-Angel

 

A few posts back the idea was kicked around of having Boba Fett leave Tatooine before the Sail Barge fight on a job (the job being selling the Death Star/Emperor location to the Rebels, instead of the Bothans so he doesn't get killed and does his job which is Bounty hunting).

So we'd need a shot of Slave One leaving Tatooine at night, one approaching the rebel fleet, and one of him keeping out of sight in the briefing room negotiating his price but out of sight of Han & Co.

Up to the task?

As for Grievous Maul it could be done if he was redubbed but I'm not sure about it myself.

 

Ah! That was in other topic i think.

Ye i see what i can do :)

-Angel

Edit: The idea is good, but i see no point to see boba's arival. He is not a main character and i like the idea of the not all visible like AOTC that the camera folows Jango to Geonosis after the asteroid chase.

Its good to see some hangar shots with slave1 in the background and Mr boba to make the deal and of course his departure from the hangar.

 

 

 

Sorry I got my threads mixed up, I'm pushing so many ideas from one to the other that it's understandable I might get confused, put it down to old age.

It think some of the Cloud City shots from ESB might work inside the Rebel ship (white walls and all) though we would possibly need to get a voice actor who sounds a bit like Boba Fett to add a few lines (but maybe not he manages to get the job done with very little speaking in ESB).

But that is rightfully a discussion for the ESB/ROTJ wish list thread.

vaderios said:

What boba and DS location?

Maul-Grievous route? Grievous talks too much :P

-Angel

 

A few posts back the idea was kicked around of having Boba Fett leave Tatooine before the Sail Barge fight on a job (the job being selling the Death Star/Emperor location to the Rebels, instead of the Bothans so he doesn't get killed and does his job which is Bounty hunting).

So we'd need a shot of Slave One leaving Tatooine at night, one approaching the rebel fleet, and one of him keeping out of sight in the briefing room negotiating his price but out of sight of Han & Co.

Up to the task?

As for Grievous Maul it could be done if he was redubbed but I'm not sure about it myself.

 It should be possible to change all of the General's lines and add a few lines of Maul into the prequels via other sources like TPM video game.