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#108238
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Nice interview with Gary Kurtz to re-visit! (IGN interview in 2002)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108238/action/topic#108238
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Best quote -

IGNFF: Well, I know that when talking about the directors and the auteur theory and directors throwing off their shackles in the '70s and what it eventually led to... by the way, a group of friends of mine, we have something that we, ironically enough, call the Kurtz Theory – which directly relates to Lucas. Essentially, it's that when you lose all checks and balances – someone who has the ability to say no to you or to convince you that this might not be the right direction – you get films like Episode I.

KURTZ: Yeah. Well, I think that's true. In the case of Episode I, there's probably something else going on as well, which is it was a merchandise-driven project ... they knew that the money from the merchandising would make a lot more money than the money from the film. It's a tired film, in the sense that there's no passion or energy there, and that comes from that kind of slightly cynical attitude, I think. There's a lot that could have been. In Episode I, there's a tremendous amount of story potential that was wasted.
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#108061
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Anakin's Father...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108061/action/topic#108061
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I don't believe that Sideous has anything to do with Anakin's childbirth. Just because midichlorians were mentioned twice between the three movies doesn't mean they are related. If Sideous were going to make a child of the Sith with a huge midichlorian count, why not just take one of the Camino clones and do it that way? Hell, take all of them and have a Sith Clone army. Just doesn't make sense for him to do that. I think the Force itself created Anakin. His choices from there guided him to his destiny, because ultimately the goal of his birth was to kill Palpatine. Palps was stronger than any Jedi, and a huge imbalance to good and evil. Now the real question is 'Did Anakin need to cross over to the dark side to beat him'? Who knows, he may have been able to end it all by killing him with Mace, instead of chopping Mace's arm off. But his love for Padme (emotions) made his choice for him.
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#108050
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Luke's ROTS Review (plot holes included)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108050/action/topic#108050
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Originally posted by: ricarleite2- Anakin didn't look like he really needed the breathing apparatus his suit provides. He was screaming and all... I think Anakin should've been even more deformed/destroyed, unconscious and unable to breath for his own.


That's a good point. It should have shown Anakin struggling to breathe up until the mask was put on. It didn't convey that much though. I think that would have given a lot more emotion for me. Well, that and the removal of the "NOOOOO!!!" heard round the world.
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#108007
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ROTS: Palpatine's Master
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108007/action/topic#108007
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Actually I think Palpatine was being truthfull about his master (Plagueous) and about saving life. Bear with me on this:

No doubt he had something to do with Grievous still being alive after his ship was blown up. Granted he's mostly machine, but he's still alive. Same with Vadar. When Anakin was burned and lying by the lava pit, Sideous did the 6 Million Dollar Sith operation on him and he was able to live. Even though Anakin's pure hate at that point kept him alive for so long, ultimately he would have died had Sideous not shown up to save him.

That being said, when Anakin choked Padme (and that's still the excuse I'm going with for why she died, not the broken heart story), she died on the delivery table as a result. Once he came to in full Vadar gear, and the Emperor informed him that he killed her, the Emperor had not broken his promise. I think the whole time he was being truthful in a sense. Saving her life would have meant making her into a machine, but it was truthful nonetheless. But then again, had he not been brought over to the dark side, Padme wouldn't have died in the first place.

I could be way off, but that's how I took it.
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#107094
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Falcon is in ep3
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107094/action/topic#107094
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Originally posted by: Bossk
Working copies of ROTS already popped up online. If he's got a completed version, then I don't know, but it's certainly pirated. I just want to see the screen cap.


Wow, a pirated commercial copy has the deleted scenes. If that's not motivation to get ahold of one, I don't know what is.

I still don't get why Lucas held out on those scenes. Very crucial IMO to filling out the story. Plus Yoda landing on Degobah would have been a better OT nod than "Miss you I will, Chewbacca". Maybe Chewie and him had a one night stand and he's going to miss that Wookie nookie.
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#107033
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Symbolism in ROTS
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107033/action/topic#107033
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Originally posted by: greencapt
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Originally posted by: Klingon_Jedi
I'll have to pay attention to that scene next time I watch it then.

As for the number, maybe it really was at random. If it's one thing being an Evangelion fan has thaught me, it's that sometime we fans put far more meaning into something that was originally meaningless. Still, I suppose it could be possible, but I somehow doubt he meant for use to ponder the significance of the number.


Maybe GL was just invoking symbolism for the sake of sounding cool, sorta like Mace Windu in 'Pulp Fiction':

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Jules: I been sayin’ that shit for years. And if you ever heard it, it meant your ass. I never really questioned what it meant. I thought it was just a coldblooded thing to say to a motherfucker ‘fore you popped a cap in his ass. But I saw some shit this mornin’ made me think twice. Now I’m thinkin’, it could mean you’re the evil man. And I’m the righteous man. And Mr .45 here he’s the shepherd protecting my righteous ass in the valley of darkness. Or it could be you’re the righteous man and I’m the shepherd and it’s the world that’s evil and selfish. I’d like that. But that shit ain’t the truth. The truth is you’re weak. And I’m the tyranny of evil men. But I’m tryin’. I’m tryin’ real hard to be a shepherd.”




"WOOKIE MOTHERFUCKER!!! DO YOU SPEAK IT?!?!?"

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"Reach in there and get my lightsaber out of the bag."

"Which one's yours?"

"It's the one that says 'Bad Motherfucker' on it."




Quotes from the AOTC Special Edition coming soon.

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#106963
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How do you rate EpIII?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106963/action/topic#106963
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Originally posted by: MeBeJediTPM easily edges out AOTC in terms of overall watchability, mostly due to Qui-gon and Darth Maul. I do not like how AOTC focuses so much on the "relationship" between Padme and Anakin, and Yoda's duel distracts.


You have a good point, because the Darth/Obi Wan/Qui Gon duel was amazing to watch and definately the best part of the movie. But the Gungan/Jar Jar mess just hurt the movie too much for me. I dunno, both are just so hard to watch at an enjoyable level, minus of course that particular duel. I guess I'll rate them equally at poop level minus that duel.
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#106860
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How do you rate EpIII?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106860/action/topic#106860
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Well, I got what I wanted. A four part saga (six if you count reedits I guess). Because I will count ROTS as a legitimate Star Wars movie. I'm surprised to say I really liked it, because while I went in with an open mind, deep down I was expecting not to like it. I hate that there were still the usual flaws, but Hardcore brings up a good point in that all of the movies had cringe worthy moments (can you say "Power Converter" ).

Right now with only seeing ROTS once, this is how I would rank these movies:

Well, nothing can beat ESB, I don't care how good ANH, ROTJ, or ROTS are, that will always be my favorite. And in my eyes always had the best production quality.

ANH was where it all started, and was an astounding movie as well so that's an automatic second.

ROTJ was a really good movie and so was ROTS. ROTJ was much lighter, while ROTS was much darker. But both had their flaws IMO.

I think I need to see ROTS again to determine if it falls above or below ROTJ. Right now, I'd say their both tied. Just my opinion for only seeing it once, and I'm wearing my flame retardant vest while saying it too so flame away.

TPM and AOTC fall under the poop category, at least the unedited versions. But even with the edited ones, they still rate very weak. I guess I'd rank AOTC better than TPM. I doubt I'll ever watch an unedited version of these movies again though.

BTW I voted very good, because it definately wasn't perfect.
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#106576
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My review of Episode III (minor, minor spoilers)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106576/action/topic#106576
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Time to chime in my 2 cents.

This movie was worse than Mariah Carey's Glitter...

k just kidding.

I loved this movie. It trounces 1 and 2. I agree with pretty much everything said in the thread as well, so I'll try to be as non-repetitious as possible.

****ONOZ SPOILERZZZZZ!!!!!1*****
I will say one thing. People were complaining about the Emperor being over the top, but quite honestly, I thought it was nice. He was very serpentine and sly as Palpatine while still maintaining that nice old man persona. But once he revealed himself to Anakin and the Jedi came for him, there was no need to mask himself anymore. The only reason why he sounded over the top at first is because his whole body had just gotten fried with his lightning, including his voice box (which does raise the question though: why wasn't Luke deformed after ROTJ? He took a lot more lightning than Palps I think). But his voice did level out shortly after.

I liked a lot of things people had complained about. Like the space battle. I thought it was amazing, and it showed Anakin and Obi Wan's friendship and bond from the get go. I even liked the droid humor because it was a nice bit of levity before the udder darkness was to come (minus the ship somehow having gravity when turned sideways, but still forgiveable).

I don't know about anyone else's theatre, but when Yoda chopped off the two Troopers heads lickety split, and used the hand motion to knock out the guards when going in to confront the Emperor, the whole crowd was clapping. Soooo pimp.

The acting was superb almost across the board. I even liked Hayden's acting on this one. There were still a couple of off deliveries from him, but it was nice. Padme....well she improved some...I guess. Very flat delivery still for her I think. Ewan = the shit as Obi Wan. Kudos to him on the performance.

And as far as how quickly the change was to the darkside, yeah it was a bit rushed, but it still kept me along for the ride, because you saw with everything he did how it was more and more like quicksand, and how much more control of his mind he gave to the Emperor. His power craving and his want to save Padme did him in. The irony of him having the visions of her dying, then going through all of this just to kill her essentially was nice.

As far as downsides, I have one complaint and a couple of nitpicks.

Complaint: Darth Vader's "NOOOOOOO!!!" was terrible. I loved everything being crushed in the room, but man I wish they would have either use another take or changed the line, because it just didn't work.

Nitpicks:

a) Bail didn't even ask for Leia. "You're splitting them up? Oh, well we'll take that one." 8^|

b) C3P0 I thought was supposed to interject a statement about Padme before Bail requests the droids mind be wiped at the end. As it stands he didn't even pause upon requesting it to happen.

c) I wish that Vadar would have choked Padme a bit longer. Pretty terrible thing to say, I know, but it wo

d) I wish that Padme hadn't said "There's still good in him". That line should be kept unsaid until Luke says it. After all, she died because she lost the will to live. The Republic was now an Empire, and her husband had turned to the dark side and just killed several people including children. If she were still holding onto hope that he was still good, then it's no excuse for her dying, right?

^ While these are all nitpicks, it's still fine the way it is for me. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and my experience. It's nice to see others did as well.
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#106355
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ROTS: Tonight
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106355/action/topic#106355
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Just wanted to wish everyone a great experience tonight and tomorrow watching the last movie of the saga. I hope Sith ends up being great, but either way my excitement has been built for seeing it, which is what it’s all about. Whether it’s a let down or a kickass movie, enjoy the moment. Even if that’s all you can take with you.

I’m personally going in with a clean opinion slate and not even thinking about the first two prequels. I’ll just simply take this movie on it’s own merit and hope for the best.

So have fun tonight, tomorrow or whenever you get to see the final Star Wars movie.

May the Force be with you…for me…to poop on.