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Kudos to the Pack.Rat.Pack.People who helped made this thread informative and those that will stumble upon and inform some more.
Am in the process of learning about the original presentation of these films by examining ‘Theater Performance’ recordings. Would like to identify aspects of this presentation method which no longer exists in the subsequent versions. For instance Reel Change Markers exist no where else.
Outputted the Cue (Motor & Changeover) markers (Reel Change) for reference:
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Reel_Changes/Reel_Changes.html
Personally also curious to see if there are versions in which crowd interaction takes place. Would be great to hear the cheers and jeers of the audience. (especially as the home entertainment versions of the movies take over public precedence) But since most bootlegs were made to get a pristine version of the movie, those will probably be the bulk of the conversation of this thread. So post titles, links anything you find relevant.
–< Extra Credit For Crowd Noise >–
1977 - Star Wars
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars 70mm In-Theater Audio Recording - morgands1
–http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/1977-70mm-Soundtrack-Recording/topic/5685/
–http://www.wideanglecloseup.com/starwarsaudio.html
–http://members.aol.com/morgands1/closeup/text/SWaudio.htm (use Wayback Machine :http://www.archive.org/web/web.php) “www.archive.org/web/web.php)”)
197x.xx.xx : Star Wars 35mm In-Theater Audio Recording - blitter - Stuart Theatre in Lincoln NE
–http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/1977-70mm-Soundtrack-Strikes-Back/post/231169/#TopicPost231169
–http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/1977-70mm-Soundtrack-Strikes-Back/post/248874/#TopicPost248874
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars 70mm In-Theater Audio Recording Loews Astor Plaza, NYC & Loews Orpheum - Belbucus
–http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/70mm-mix-to-93-mix-comparison/post/242587/
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars Pre-Episode IV Bootleg - MeBeJedi - 77_ANH_BOOTLEG (pan & scan)
–http://homepage.ntlworld.com/russdawson/gtf/dvd/OT/1977boot.html
–http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Does-Anyone-Have-The-Old-Original-Theater-Bootleg-77-Tape/topic/3250/
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1977-77_ANH_BOOTLEG-1.html
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars Pre-Episode IV Bootleg - The Starkiller - SWIVBOOT (pan & scan)
–http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Does-Anyone-Have-The-Old-Original-Theater-Bootleg-77-Tape/post/172311/#TopicPost172311
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1977-SWIVBOOT-1.html
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars Pre-Episode IV Bootleg - TREADWELL TWC326 - SWIVBOOT (pan & scan)
–http://noneinc.com/TWC/TWC-index.html#TWC326
–http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Treadwell-Collection/topic/12627/
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1977-TWC326_SWB-1.html
1977.xx.xx : Pre.A.New.Hope.Bootleg.Telecine.WS.Mot3r.version.XVID - mthr (widescreen)
–http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Pre-ANH-bootleg-telecine-a-widescreen-version/topic/6994/
–http://originaltrilogy.com/fan-edits/fan-project-details.cfm/Workprints-and-Bootlegs/title/Star-Wars/project/36/category/8/
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1977-mthr-swtc1.html
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1977-PreANH-WS-BOOTLEG1-1.html
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1977-PreANH-WS-BOOTLEG2-1.html
1977.xx.xx : German Bootleg - Pre-Episode IV
–http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPzeZkUyfAg
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1977-Krieg_der_Sterne-ultrara.html
1978.04.24 : Star Wars 70mm In-Theater Audio Recording - L.Mayer (Mrs. BrianM) - D.C. Crowd Interaction
–http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Closest-to-1977-release/post/216375/#TopicPost216375
CIhttp://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Theater-Performance-Preservations/post/470206/#TopicPost470206 [Crowd Interaction Notes]
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars 70mm In-Theater Audio Recording - BrianM - San Diego
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars In-Theater Audio Recording - BFrazer - Colorado (lost)
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars In-Theater Audio Recording - Scofield version - Cine Capri. Phoenix, Arizona
–http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Is-this-amateur-audio-recording-of-any-use/post/568973/#TopicPost568973
1978.xx.xx : Star Wars Bootleg VHS - PS78
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/NEW-possibly-2nd-Generation-77-78-Bootleg/topic/14341/
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars In-Theater Audio Recording - William Forsche
–http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxBafn2t5v4
Honorable Mentions:
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars 16mm Telecine Transfer - Puggo GRANDE [16mm]
–http://www.hardbat.com/puggo/home.html
–http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Puggo-GRANDE-16mm-restoration/topic/9752/
1977.xx.xx : Pre.A.New.Hope.Bootleg.Telecine - catnap source (widescreen) [16mm]
–http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Pre-ANH-bootleg-telecine-a-widescreen-version/post/365264/#TopicPost365264
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1977-Catnap-1.html
1977.xx.xx : Stjärnornas Krig 16mm Telecine Transfer - Puggo [16mm Swedish transfer]
–http://www.hardbat.com/puggo/home.html
–http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Stj-rnornas-Krig-Swedish-16mm-print/topic/11896/
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars / Empire Strikes Back Super-8 Transfer - The Puggo Edition
–http://www.hardbat.com/puggo/home.html
–http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Puggo-Edition-webpage-and-screenshots/topic/6830/
1979.xx.xx : Star Wars - Airlines copy
–http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Closest-to-1977-release/post/221353/#TopicPost221353
1980 - Empire Strikes Back
1980.xx.xx : ESB 70mm In-Theater Audio Recording - morgands1
–http://www.wideanglecloseup.com/starwarsaudio.html
–http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ESB-70mm-Soundtrack-1980-in-theatre-recording/topic/12501/page/1/
–http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ESB-1980-70mm-soundtrack-In-theatre-recording/topic/12505/
1980.xx.xx : ESB_TP Betamax - Video_Collector (Qatar)
–http://home.online.no/~frinilse/starwarsonvideo/ (Betamax - bottom)
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1980-ESB_TP-1.html
1980.xx.xx : ESB VHS NYC
–http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/39615#comment_2428908
1981.xx.xx : ESB 1981 Betamax Bootleg
–http://forums.dealmac.com/read.php?1,1946060,1946278,report=1
1980.xx.xx : ESB Drive-In
–http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=17039&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=1918727
1980.xx.xx : ESB Drive-In Audio
–http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/23797/1/EMPIRE-STRIKES-BACK-IS-30–WE-THAT-SAW-IT-WELL-BEST-NOT-TO-DWELL-ON-AGE/Page1.html
1980.xx.xx : ESB In-Theater Audio Recording - Scofield version - Cine Capri. Phoenix, Arizona
–http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Is-this-amateur-audio-recording-of-any-use/post/568973/#TopicPost568973
Honorable Mentions:
1980.xx.xx : ESB 16mm Telecine Transfer - Puggo Strikes Back [16mm widescreen (‘scope’) print]
–http://www.hardbat.com/puggo/home.html
–http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Puggo-Strikes-Back/topic/12548/
1983 - Return of the Jedi
1983.xx.xx : ROTJ_TP Betamax Cropped/Pan/Scan - Video_Collector (Qatar)
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1983-ROTJ_TP-1.html
1983.xx.xx : ROTJ VHS Cropped/Pan/Scan - TREADWELL TWC328
–http://noneinc.com/TWC/TWC-index.html#TWC328
–http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Treadwell-Collection/topic/12627/
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1983-TWC328_ROTJB-1.html
1983.06.18 : Hastings UK £5,000 REWARD Bounty
–http://www.starwarsmovieposter.com/popups/ukrotjreward.htm
1997 - Special Editions
ANH
Star Wars Engrish - Special Edition???
–http://www.opticalsin.com/sw_engrish/main_anh.html
ESB
RotJ
1997.xx.xx : RotJ:SE Chinese bootleg awesomely bad subtitles!
–http://www.oocities.com/e3s/stubblecat.html
Honorable Mentions:
1995.xx.xx : Return of the Jedi SE Workprint (temp tracks) Avid
–http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqRmWI6VAtc (ending)
1999 - The Phantom Menace
1998.11.13 : TPM Trailer attached to ‘Meet Joe Black’
–http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqcrzE9pZOQ&feature=player_embedded
1999.05.xx : ‘Z’ (TPM1&2.mpg 650mb)
–http://jona82.tripod.com/
–http://shkspr.mobi/blog/index.php/2009/05/the-10th-aniversary-of-the-death-of-the-modern-film-industry/
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1999-TPMZ-1.html
1999.05.xx : TPMVHSNYC - New York City VHS Bootleg
–http://noneinc.com/TPMVHSNYC/TPMVHSNYC-index.html
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1999-TPMVHSNYC-1.html
1999.05.xx : The Phantom Menace Cam - TREADWELL TWC240
–http://noneinc.com/TWC/TWC-index.html#TWC240
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1999-TWC240_TPMB-1.html
1999.05.xx : Dis-man
–http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercrime/spatafore.htm
1999.05.xx : ‘AB’
2002 - Attack of the Clones
2002.05.08 : AotC Yoda (Spider-Man) Trailer
–http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLZ5IDVxsBs&feature=related
2002.05.10 : TS.CD1&2.FTF- telesync
–http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/41232-Attack-of-the-Clones-on-the-net
–http://sharereactor.com/release/1660-star-wars-2-attack-of-the-clones-2002-telesync-ftf.htm
2002.05.22 : Star.Wars.Episode.II.Attack.of.the.Clones.SVCD-Centropy AKA CTP (3 bin/cue)
2002.05.xx : starwars.ep2cd1&2.mpg
2002.05.xx : Cinema (ep2a/b.mpg)
–Might be same as “starwars.ep2cd1&2.mpg”
2002 - Attack of the Clones IMAX
2005 - Revenge of the Sith
2005.05.22 : Star Wars Episode III - TUN-sith (CDx3)
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/2005-TUN-sith1.html
2005.05.29 : Star Wars Episode III Revenge of the Sith - Cyrillic Crawl (camcd1&2) [might be same as 3bin/cue version]
2005.05.xx : Star.Wars.Episode.III.Revenge.of.the.Sith.TC.XviD-MoF
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/2005-mof-sith-1.html
2005.05.xx : aAF ep3 digital projection rip
Honorable Mentions:
2005.05.17 : Star.Wars.Episode.3.Revenge.of.the.Sith.WP.DVDR-ViSA [Workprint]
–http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/95865-Star-Wars-Episode-III-Revenge-of-the-Sith-%28WP%29
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/2005-ROTSViSA-1.html
2005.05.19 : Star.Wars.Episode.3.Revenge.of.the.Sith.WP.DVDR-ViSA [Workprint] OAR (Original Aspect Ratio)
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/2005-ROTSOAR-1.html
2008 - The Clone Wars
2008.08.19 : Star.Wars.The.Clone.Wars SceneAccess
2008.08.20 : Star.Wars.The.Clone.Wars.TS.mVCD-DCvCD - The Dark Carnival (nfo 08.29??)
2008.08.21 : Star.Wars.The.Clone.Wars.READ.NFO.TS.XviD-COALiTiON (.nfo 08.29??)
2008.08.25 : Star.Wars.The.Clone.Wars 2BROTHERs (German Audio)
2008.08.xx : Star.Wars.The.Clone.Wars.2008.TELESYNC.XviD-TRADINGSTANDARDS
2008.08.xx :Star.Wars.The.Clone.Wars.TS.MD.German.XViD-CPG
2008.08.xx :Star.Wars.The.Clone.Wars.FRENCH.TS.MD.XviD-WaTeRMaRK
2015 - Star Wars - The Force Awakens
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/921897#TopicPost921897
2016 - Star Wars - Rogue One
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1172215#TopicPost1172215
2017 - Star Wars - The Last Jedi
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1206044#TopicPost1206044
2018 - Solo : A Star Wars Story
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1322036#TopicPost1322036
2019 - Star Wars - The Rise of Skywalker
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1322037#TopicPost1322037
EDIT
Am looking for leads, comments alluding to other recordings. If you’ve got the name/location of some old SW forum which might have a searchable archive, please post or pm, will do some searching to find someone who might have spilled the beans about some old recordings. Also searching through books/magazines/newspapers/tv reports for information which describes the larger context. For instance each movie had someone prosecuted so those kind of stories, also Copyright Law Journals talk about the instances and give odd details like how many copies of each film were lost/stolen when in theaters.
For those rejects interested: ((pl1x@earthlink.net))