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Obi-Wan Kenobi Redux Ideas Thread — Page 5

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I’m seeing news sites eagerly announcing that a fan has cut OWK down to a 2.5hr movie, and talking about someone named Kai Patterson. Is he a famous faneditor or something? Is there some reason he’s getting so much attention for something a bunch of people here have already done? (Or, is that the real name of one of the people here to which I am referring!)

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It went viral on tiktok I think. I skimmed through his edit I don’t think it’s anyone here?

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Really only skimmed through so couldn’t say. They did do some rescoring that I saw so maybe worth checking for that (although I wasn’t crazy about the choices I noticed personally).

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I saw it too. Some of it is interesting, but really nothing stands out much from the other edits on this forum. He added CG stormtrooper by the fire asking Vader if they shall proceed. It’s looking…okay, I guess, but the fire is CG as well so it doesn’t look as the rest of the shots.

Now, as someone who studied film editing (before turning to VFX), I was bothered by some musical choices in his edit.
I’m a visual guy, but I was “tortured” for three years on the academy by some really great sound editors, and I learned some things there which bother me now if I see someone not following the principles. For example DON’T fade in or out music 10 seconds before it’s actually needed. It’s distracting! Also DON’T change the music abruptly on cut with some other piece of music which doesn’t have the same tone or rhythm. And when you use music, it should have a meaningful beginning and the end.

As you guess it, none of those rules apply to that edit. And he used well known themes over some parts that have more weight in silence, so that took me out too.

Oh and speaking of music, there’s Bespin theme playing on Alderaan, which makes it seem out of place.

Overall, keep up the great work. Loving your edits and ideas. We don’t need tons of media coverage to create something great(er).

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There’s definitely good ideas there but imo, the guy didn’t go far enough. Reva is still the one who orchestrated the plan to kidnap Kenobi and thus puts him and his connection to the Organas on the Empire’s radar, Leia still knows who Obi-Wan is rather than just his pseudonym of Ben and Vader still does the really stupid thing of having the whole Star Destroyer give up the chase on the Path ship just to sit outside the planet where he and Obi-Wan have their final duel.

Even the changes he made to how the scene on Mapuzo ends still doesn’t really work all that well because Vader still lets him go only to get enraged when Reva fails to catch him later on Nur. If he wants Obi-Wan at ‘full power,’ he’s still not there even at the Inquisitorous headquarters. It just comes off really sloppy (also the line about the Inquisitorius HQ not having shields is still present, despite contradicting Jedi: Fallen Order.)

Further, the final duel between Kenobi and Vader still doesn’t work even if Qui-Gon tells him he’s the Chosen One. One, this contradicts Star Wars: Rebels where it is made explicitly clear that Obi-Wan considers Luke to be the Chosen One instead, but it also still doesn’t explain why Obi-Wan is adamant that Luke be willing to kill Anakin later on. It makes way more sense if Obi-Wan believes that Anakin should die but gets prevented from doing so.

While I think this would be kind of tacky (and just to keep this sort of on-brand for the thread), I’d almost rather Obi-Wan get a Force vision of Luke as a Jedi facing Vader in RotJ or something as a reason why he lets Vader live, ultimately deciding that it’s not his destiny to kill him. Again, it’s tacky but still works 10x better than not at all, because the alternative is he doesn’t kill him out of a personal unwillingness to do so and thus leaves the burden on Luke. At least with this, he could chalk it up to “the will of the Force.” It’d also put slightly more meaning to their meeting at the end of the series as he’s coming face to face with the one he’s ‘seen’ end the conflict once and for all.

I also agree with Pixeljoker about the music choices, there were too many callbacks pulled directly from the movies that just don’t work and would have been better silent. The best thing the edit does is cut Reva out before she becomes egregious by the last episode and does what she does on Tatooine, which is easily the worst part of the show for me. Otherwise it falls quite a bit short of what I’d want out of a ‘perfect’ edit.

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I think people on the outside are just so enamored of the idea of fanediting and the novelty of it that they don’t know there’s places like this that hash it out and do a better job.

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Has anyone toyed with the idea of only revealing Leia through Kenobi’s POV? In any cut I have seen so far, her early scenes just seem so jarring compared to the somber time spent on Tattooine. I almost wonder if you could cut everything Leia related prior to Kenobi rescuing her, and have the fact that she is Leia be cemented for the audience at the same time Kenobi meets her. Obviously, SW fans would know who she was based on Organa’s request to Kenobi, but for the pace of the movie both dramatically and scene to scene, it could be an interesting idea to have the audience meet Leia and form their opinions on her personality while Kenobi does.

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SpectacularSMan said:

Has anyone toyed with the idea of only revealing Leia through Kenobi’s POV? In any cut I have seen so far, her early scenes just seem so jarring compared to the somber time spent on Tattooine. I almost wonder if you could cut everything Leia related prior to Kenobi rescuing her, and have the fact that she is Leia be cemented for the audience at the same time Kenobi meets her. Obviously, SW fans would know who she was based on Organa’s request to Kenobi, but for the pace of the movie both dramatically and scene to scene, it could be an interesting idea to have the audience meet Leia and form their opinions on her personality while Kenobi does.

I looked into doing this, but when Bail calls it is already mid-conversation at the beginning of that scene since the director wrote it in a way where the viewer didn’t need the full context of the conversation since we saw Leia get captured with our own eyes. When you leave that out, it feels extremely jarring to learn of Leia’s capture with only half of a conversation that isn’t meant to be a revelation of the event to the viewer.

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OT member Phase3 had a wonderful suggestion for altering the final duel in the Kenobi series so that we don’t end on Obi-Wan’s baffling choice to let Vader live. The basic idea is to move the burying obi-wan in rocks to the very end of the duel so that after Kenobi walks away from Vader with a sliced helmet, he screams out “Obi-Wan” then cracks the ground with the force, proceeding to bury Obi-Wan, walk away from the fight the victor. Then Obi-Wan climbs out and the fight is over.

If we can make this work, I think it would make the duel even more amazing than it already is (I quite enjoyed the fight outside of the nonsensical ending where Obi-Wan lets Vader live).

I created a mock-up of this idea. The changes so far:

-Reversing the flow of Kenobi retreating so it links smoothly to the later part of the duel.
-Flip shot of ground breaking for visual continuity.
-Removed Vader’s line “And that is why you will always lose” as he breaks the ground, rough sfx replaced (can be polished later)
-Cropped out vader of wide shot of ground breaking for visual continuity.
-Removed vader’s line “Did you really think you could defeat me?” after he buries him.
-Rearranged shots of Vader walking away for better flow

The one key change remaining to tie this whole idea together is somehow changing the final shots of the rock burying so that Vader’s helmet is still sliced in half. I don’t know who would have the special effects skills to do this but perhaps a community effort would achieve this.

Mock-up of the rearranged duel: https://streamable.com/myzuo3

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I’m working on an edit that keeps Vader’s identity a complete secret, part of this involves hiring a voice actor to dub over some lines. Do you guys have any idea on phrasing to keep the lines vague enough? I’ve thought of having him say something along the lines of “You left Anakin for dead, but it was I who killed him.” Similar mystic wording that the OT used to conceal Vader’s identity, while still making it clear that Obi-Wan knows.

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Phase3 said:

I posted this in NFBism’s thread, but also wanted to get other people’s thought on this:

How about an alternate ending to the show?
I was thinking about the following:
During the second duel between Obi-Wan and Vader, instead of Obi-Wan walking away, getting into his starship and going to Tatooine, what if it’s Vader leaving Obi-Wan for dead, and leaving the planet first?

In ROTS, Obi-Wan left Anakin for dead on Mustafar. How about Vader now does the same to Obi-Wan?
It could be carefully edited like this:

Vader’s helmet is sliced open /
“Goodbye, Darth” /
Delete the extra shots of Vader walking slowly with no dialogue /
Vader kneels down and yells “Obi-Wan!” /
Use the shot of Vader’s hand slamming into the ground /
Flipped shot of the ground breaking, so that it matches correctly with where Obi-Wan is & where the camera angle should be /
Obi-Wan falls /
Rocks fall down on top of him straight away - no further input from Vader - no need for him to be standing at the edge /
Relocate audio used earlier for the overhead shot of Vader “Did you truly think that you could defeat me? You have failed” /
As Vader speaks, do a slow, steady zoom-in on Vader, so it’s a bit different to what was shown in the episode /
Vader leaves the planet (would need to find a good shot of Vader’s shuttle flying in space) /
Obi-Wan has the visions of Luke and Leia, inspiring him to go on / Obi-Wan frees himself, leaves the planet, and goes into hyperspace (no visions of Luke whilst in the starship, to accommodate the removal of the awful Tatooine sequences in the sixth episode).

What do you all think?

This is perfect.

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Phase3 said:

I posted this in NFBism’s thread, but also wanted to get other people’s thought on this:

How about an alternate ending to the show?
I was thinking about the following:
During the second duel between Obi-Wan and Vader, instead of Obi-Wan walking away, getting into his starship and going to Tatooine, what if it’s Vader leaving Obi-Wan for dead, and leaving the planet first?

In ROTS, Obi-Wan left Anakin for dead on Mustafar. How about Vader now does the same to Obi-Wan?
It could be carefully edited like this:

Vader’s helmet is sliced open /
“Goodbye, Darth” /
Delete the extra shots of Vader walking slowly with no dialogue /
Vader kneels down and yells “Obi-Wan!” /
Use the shot of Vader’s hand slamming into the ground /
Flipped shot of the ground breaking, so that it matches correctly with where Obi-Wan is & where the camera angle should be /
Obi-Wan falls /
Rocks fall down on top of him straight away - no further input from Vader - no need for him to be standing at the edge /
Relocate audio used earlier for the overhead shot of Vader “Did you truly think that you could defeat me? You have failed” /
As Vader speaks, do a slow, steady zoom-in on Vader, so it’s a bit different to what was shown in the episode /
Vader leaves the planet (would need to find a good shot of Vader’s shuttle flying in space) /
Obi-Wan has the visions of Luke and Leia, inspiring him to go on / Obi-Wan frees himself, leaves the planet, and goes into hyperspace (no visions of Luke whilst in the starship, to accommodate the removal of the awful Tatooine sequences in the sixth episode).

What do you all think?

This is perfect.

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