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It’s funny you bring up reverting the Force Essence stuff to the third act, as that was something I was arguing with myself about. Maybe I’ll have to do that in my inevitable V2.

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You know, I think I lean towards the blue myself. I find it more impactful, since it brings to mind Palps and Dooku using Lightning in the past. And, I dunno…it might be a little awkward if this movie is about Rey’s journey to becoming “a Jedi,” but then her Jedi lightsaber is the same color as her Sith-y lightning.

Both are fairly minor nitpicks, and you could just as easily argue the opposite (yellow makes her stand out more from the Sith, and it being the same color as her lightsaber allows the yellow color to bookend her arc). I say go with what makes you happy, Hal! Which is probably the yellow. 😉

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Since this is an alt version I’d recommend doing whatever your heart tells you, Hal.

Yellow lightning. Pink lightsabers. Replace all the tie fighters with flamingos. Give Poe a sombrero throughout.

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Well, I think the yellow makes more sense for a Rey Nobody version than in the regular version, and that’s enough to override resistance to the idea for me.

Dramatically more important than this, however, Ridley exported a variant of the opening crawl that is the same as what’s already in Ascendant except that it uses the same font as TLJ for the film’s title. Because… this version does more, better or worse, to cohere with TLJ.

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Honestly once the rey nobody version is done I almost want to do an experiment where i show it to my friend who’s never seen star wars and get their take on the sequel trilogy as a whole

After being beaten and battered by prequel hate, I promise not to be that to the next generation.

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@Hal 9000 or anyone else. In the Rise of Skywalker (Ascendant), One thing I have been wondering for awhile and did not see mentioned anywhere (or I missed it) is Leia’s light sabre being purple? is it to mean she had both light and dark, got the same crystal or found mace’s? or just a call back to the color purple that carrie liked? Was just wondering if that was to align with some canon aspect?

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The primary reason is to help clarify the saber in the third act when two blue sabers are exchanged and tossed all around against a heavy blue backdrop.

Especially with the inclusion of Leia capping off the sequence of ghostly voices, the purple color makes it clear whose saber Rey wields.

Carrie had indeed expressed a preference for that color when asked, when Leia’s lightsaber was merely a hypothetical.

Also, from a saga-only perspective at least, this saber was introduced and dispatched with in this film. Given the history as shown, it would seem there’d be minimal squinting required to have this change cohere well enough with future media.

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This is definitely a stretch on my part, but I also think there is some potential masculine/feminine symbolism with the blue and purple (pinkish) colors of the sabers. You get a lot of masculine and feminine symbolism with the Rey/Kylo dynamic, for example. And although it isn’t really expanded upon, I think root problem of the Jedi ties into this idea of an imbalance of feminine/masculine constructs (rationality vs emotion, detachment vs compassion, etc.). And with Rey holding both sabers in the climax, it suggests a integration of both.

It’s very vague, of course. Just like how some have suggest Luke’s green color symbolizes life and the rebirth of the Jedi.

Obviously the idea feels stuck in gender stereotypes, but you see this idea of the spiritual masculine and feminine in a lot of different philosophies. For example, you see it in Taoism with the concept of yin and yang. Everyone (regardless of gender) has both aspects in them, but the two aspects tend to be associated with either gender because of traditional gender norms.

But even in ROTJ we see that Luke isn’t the traditional masculine hero. He does defeat Vader through physical violence, but then chooses to show compassion and love his father. And that plays into this idea of balancing the masculine and feminine imo. But again, that’s just my head canon for it I guess you could say.

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I’d never actually considered it that way, RL. I really like that.

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Yeah, Luke has never fit the traditional masculine hero mold; it’s why it’s so funny/jarring when EU material tried to write him like he was. It’s also interesting that a character who’s pretty subversive of the traditional hero archetype has become the poster child for the archetypical hero - heck, a picture of his face is used as the front cover of The Hero With A Thousand Faces in most printings post-SW.

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Leia’s saber has always seemed pink to me on Exegol, my guess is the ‘grey Exegol’ LUT applied washes away the blue from the purple. I showed Ascendant to a group of friends a few months ago and one of them asked during the Exegol scenes if the saber was supposed to be purple or pink, so I know it’s not just me. I don’t know if anyone would be down to improving it, but it’d be a nice fix to have. Same with the reddish TIE from way back, if Poppa’s availabe.

I think the yellow lightning really works for the nobody version, paired with her lightsaber at the end it’s a nice hint at Rey accepting her inner darkness (which in this version is not Palpy genes) and finding balance, which is something from DotF that was muddled along the way. The average viewer would probably just assume the yellow lightning is a weaker and/or unfocused version, seeing a “new” power also adds to the surprise of that moment and helps it feel more unique, and therefore more memorable, rather than just another thing borrowed from the original films.

I’m also really glad you’re going with a version that avoids redeeming Rey’s parents, that to me is the biggest offence to the previous film’s reveal and to Rey’s whole journey in TFA & TLJ, I look forward to seeing how it comes together.

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Speaking of which, if Rey’s parents are no longer a part of the story, what are the plans for her vision at the beginning? Spence’s edit pairs that moment with Leia’s death, so that’s not usable for this edit. Showing her parents abandoning her could still make sense as part of Rey’s struggle with self worth, but pairing that with evil Rey on the throne doesn’t make much sense, it feels like a setup with no payoff. I think it’d make more sense to change the vision to something more relevant to the “nobody” version of the story, like maybe showing Rey’s dark tendencies, and a reminder of TLJ’s revelations - “You went straight to the dark” “You’re still holding on! Let go!”. That would immediately make this feel more like a follow-up to ep VIII.

Also, that vision shows Rey’s lightning blast in blue, I think it’s fine since it’s meant to be cryptic but it does make the reused footage a bit more jarring.

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The blue lightning has an overall heavy blue cast even without the blue lightning so I think it fits okay as a vision or even misleading implication that it’s the huge blast we see put right after it.

And for the opening vision I had just snipped out the first bit about her parents so that it is just her “vision about the throne of the Sith and who was on it.”

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I know it’s a little late in the game but If I had one thing I wish I’d address to suggest that always bugs me it’s Rey’s “Ugh” at the start and I find it so cringe. To me it something a petty girl in High School would do. Weird nit pic I know but I just feel something like that doesn’t belong in SW. I feel a cut to when she say’s “They’re not with me.” and then the shot where she just force roll fall after would work pretty good. I just wanted to see what other would think.

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ZaneFlare92 said:

I know it’s a little late in the game but If I had one thing I wish I’d address to suggest that always bugs me it’s Rey’s “Ugh” at the start and I find it so cringe. To me it something a petty girl in High School would do. Weird nit pic I know but I just feel something like that doesn’t belong in SW. I feel a cut to when she say’s “They’re not with me.” and then the shot where she just force roll fall after would work pretty good. I just wanted to see what other would think.

This bugs me too, but I think the shot continually tracks inwards IIRC. If it’s two separate shots, it would be simple to edit out yourself.

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CaptainFaraday said:

ZaneFlare92 said:

I know it’s a little late in the game but If I had one thing I wish I’d address to suggest that always bugs me it’s Rey’s “Ugh” at the start and I find it so cringe. To me it something a petty girl in High School would do. Weird nit pic I know but I just feel something like that doesn’t belong in SW. I feel a cut to when she say’s “They’re not with me.” and then the shot where she just force roll fall after would work pretty good. I just wanted to see what other would think.

This bugs me too, but I think the shot continually tracks inwards IIRC. If it’s two separate shots, it would be simple to edit out yourself.

It does continually track. The only thing you could feasibly do with this from what I can tell is edit out the soundbite though it makes Rey’s expression look kind of off.

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Is there going to be a “Rey Nobody” V3?

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AspiringCreator said:

CaptainFaraday said:

ZaneFlare92 said:

I know it’s a little late in the game but If I had one thing I wish I’d address to suggest that always bugs me it’s Rey’s “Ugh” at the start and I find it so cringe. To me it something a petty girl in High School would do. Weird nit pic I know but I just feel something like that doesn’t belong in SW. I feel a cut to when she say’s “They’re not with me.” and then the shot where she just force roll fall after would work pretty good. I just wanted to see what other would think.

This bugs me too, but I think the shot continually tracks inwards IIRC. If it’s two separate shots, it would be simple to edit out yourself.

It does continually track. The only thing you could feasibly do with this from what I can tell is edit out the soundbite though it makes Rey’s expression look kind of off.

I wonder if you could make it a more inquisitive ‘huh?’

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Please don’t cut Rey’s ugh.

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Hal 9000 said:

The blue lightning has an overall heavy blue cast even without the blue lightning so I think it fits okay as a vision or even misleading implication that it’s the huge blast we see put right after it.

Yeah, I think Dom’s idea with the vision was that it looks like it’s Evil Rey casting down the lightning blast, but as you watch the film you realize the vision was showing separate events. Which is why I said it’d be more jarring to see two versions of the same footage, but you’re right that the blue tint on the shot already hides it’s true colors so it still works in that way, and it’s meant to be a cryptic and wavering glimpse of the future, so it’s fine.

And for the opening vision I had just snipped out the first bit about her parents so that it is just her “vision about the throne of the Sith and who was on it.”

Oh, well that works as a quick and easy approach. Still, It would make sense to add a bit more to her vision to keep it similar to Kylo’s, which shows glimpses of other places, the future, the past, and in a way that helps consolidate his character and set up his motivations. Now that we don’t need to rethread on Rey’s parents, it’d be an opportunity to better set up Rey’s stuggle and connect it more with TLJ.

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I added the blue tint for a few reasons, mainly so the shot matched better with the Exegol ones and didn’t feel so visually jarring. Whether the implication is it’s supposed to actually be Exegol, I think it’s open to interpretation. Also I see it as sort of an obscured version of a future event, we can’t quite tell where exactly that moment is going to happen, so you’re not giving away the transport scene too early.

Anyway, with the yellow, I think you could make a reasonable argument either way whether it should be in the vision or not. But it would sort of clash with the massive lightning blast so I’d probably be against it.