REY NOBODY - A Collaborative Thread — Page 11

RogueLeader said:

I think it could work. I actually think you should just keep Kylo’s mention of her parents closer to the beginning of the film.

“Do you still count the days since your parents left? Such pain in you. Such anger.”

Because I think that line, and Rey’s line about Kylo not being able to stop seeing what he did to his father, are nice reminders of what these characters struggled with in the past films. Especially since that line kind of pays off later when Ben sees his father again.

And I think having Palpatine’s line about her parents helps with the flow of that scene better.

Palpatine: Weak. Like your parents.

Rey looks back, not saying anything (hopefully the cut back to Palpatine wouldn’t fee to quick).

Palpatine: Luke Skywalker was saved by his father. The only family you have here… [Palpatine looks up toward the battle].

It segues into that second line better. It reminds Rey of that the family she waited so long for, which solidifies her desire to protect the family she has now.

People might ask how Palpatine knows this bit of information, but I think there are plenty of explanations you can come with that I don’t feel like typing out. Haha.

I like this idea, so I gave it a try to see how it looked.

https://vimeo.com/685441015

Overall, I’d say it works pretty well!

That works fantastically well!

Nice! I appreciate people like you Spence who can make some use out of all of this wasted brainpower I use on Star Wars edits.

Snooker!!! Hope you’ve been well.

Faraday, we’re just on the same wavelength man.

Honestly at this point, all I need to see is a version of the force bond duel in Kylo’s quarters that feels seamlessly edited, and I’ll be convinced that a Rey Nobody edit (that removes any connection b/w Palpatine and her parents) can be done that doesn’t feel like a fan edit. There are some solid attempts already, but you can still see the seams here and there in the versions that I’ve seen.

RogueLeader said:

Honestly at this point, all I need to see is a version of the force bond duel in Kylo’s quarters that feels seamlessly edited, and I’ll be convinced that a Rey Nobody edit (that removes any connection b/w Palpatine and her parents) can be done that doesn’t feel like a fan edit. There are some solid attempts already, but you can still see the seams here and there in the versions that I’ve seen.

Here’s what I came up with for that scene. Not a lot of meat on the bones, but it works as a little pop of action and showing Rey giving in to her anger a little bit.

Because I put Leia’s death where the “dark rey” vision originally occurred, I’ve tied her visions to the dagger. So she gets one when she picks it up in the desert, and then another one here. A few minutes later, I’m using a version of the “You will kill Palpatine and take the throne” edit that’s further up the thread. So we get a little reminder of that here too.

https://vimeo.com/685575722

It feels a little rushed in my opinion, but I REALLY like how you had Rey quickly turn around and slash at Kylo. I kind of don’t like how Rey’s dialogue in this scene mostly consists of her saying “No” in different ways. So, I like how that little change makes Rey look smarter and less patient with Kylo’s shit. It also adds to the whole theme of her tapping into her dark side.

You should definitely stick with what you have if you’re happy with it. I do think it would be nice to see the scene trimmed, but not totally speeding through the scene.

SpenceEdit said:

Here’s what I came up with for that scene. Not a lot of meat on the bones, but it works as a little pop of action and showing Rey giving in to her anger a little bit.

Because I put Leia’s death where the “dark rey” vision originally occurred, I’ve tied her visions to the dagger. So she gets one when she picks it up in the desert, and then another one here. A few minutes later, I’m using a version of the “You will kill Palpatine and take the throne” edit that’s further up the thread. So we get a little reminder of that here too.

https://vimeo.com/685575722

Yes, why not… that actually works quite well imo! Currently I’m losing my mind over changing the dialogue, but simply triming it like you did seems to be a good option.
Spence, What is your approach for the hangar scene?

fidodido said:
Yes, why not… that actually works quite well imo! Currently I’m losing my mind over changing the dialogue, but simply triming it like you did seems to be a good option.
Spence, What is your approach for the hangar scene?

I’m stealing RogueLeader’s idea (with permission)

You got it, Spence!

But yeah, I could see a benefit of finding a balance between making it purely just fighting, but maybe having just a bit of dialogue retained to help with tension. Or maybe you could keep more of the dialogue shots if Kylo isn’t obviously talking (like his helmet isn’t bobbing from his mouth/jaw movement). They could just be staring down each other, like one does in a good samurai duel, rather than Kylo talking at every opportunity. Maybe the audio could be rebuilt to make it more of a scoreless duel. Not really fond of the music hear anyway, it’s pretty erratic (or maybe I’ve just listened to it too many times…)

I also still think there is an opportunity to use this scene to solidify Rey’s motivation for wanting to harness her power. Giving Kylo lines like this:

“You need it/power, to keep them safe.”

“Rey, I know what happens to them.”

“Tell me where you are. I know the whole story.”

“The battle is lost. The Resistance, they will not succeed… you’ve seen it.”

And then replacing the parent visions with shots of the battle and her friends in danger. Maybe I’ll have some time next time to attempt this, but this is sort of my ideal change to this scene. It’s just hard to change Kylo’s dialogue because of how his lines echo into the other channels.

RogueLeader said:

You got it, Spence!

But yeah, I could see a benefit of finding a balance between making it purely just fighting, but maybe having just a bit of dialogue retained to help with tension. Or maybe you could keep more of the dialogue shots if Kylo isn’t obviously talking (like his helmet isn’t bobbing from his mouth/jaw movement). They could just be staring down each other, like one does in a good samurai duel, rather than Kylo talking at every opportunity. Maybe the audio could be rebuilt to make it more of a scoreless duel. Not really fond of the music hear anyway, it’s pretty erratic (or maybe I’ve just listened to it too many times…)

I also still think there is an opportunity to use this scene to solidify Rey’s motivation for wanting to harness her power. Giving Kylo lines like this:

“You need it/power, to keep them safe.”

“Rey, I know what happens to them.”

“Tell me where you are. I know the whole story.”

“The battle is lost. The Resistance, they will not succeed… you’ve seen it.”

And then replacing the parent visions with shots of the battle and her friends in danger. Maybe I’ll have some time next time to attempt this, but this is sort of my ideal change to this scene. It’s just hard to change Kylo’s dialogue because of how his lines echo into the other channels.

EDIT: Found the test clip with some added Kylo dialogue. I like the flow of it better without it, but I’m all about action pacing. It may work better with a slower moment.

The voice actor for Kylo in BF2 is slightly off, I think maybe it needs to be made deeper.

https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/685637105

Thanks for sharing this Spence! I do think the new lines could use some work, but the lines really fit with the idea of what we’re trying to do, though. I also like how you skipped over Rey’s line, “Stop talking!” Honestly, Rey doesn’t really say anything of substance in this whole scene. The only information she provides is that she doesn’t like what Kylo is saying. But I think it works better when we just get that info from her non-verbal acting.

Hmm, this is definitely turning the gears. Honestly this makes me want to redo the sound from the ground up, and have no music at all.

CaptainFaraday said:

I think no music could work really well - as RL said, like a samurai movie.

I was starting to think that a seamless, theatrical release quality Rey Nobody was probably impossible, but after seeing this new stuff, to quote the disembodied floating CGI head of Carrie Fisher, “nothing’s impossible.”

It’s possible! I’m tinkering away at it. Mine is a little different because I’m also cutting Leia out, but I’m sure a lot of the concepts I’m working on could fit a simpler Rey Nobody edit. A lot of the stuff I’m trying to do is from this thread anyway. In fact, the hardest parts of my edit so far have been related to removing Leia. If it was a straight “Rey Nobody” thing I’d probably nearly be done with it!

I think no sound could be really cool for that scene, but the problem is you have the Finn/Poe stuff stuck in the middle of it. You’d have to find a way to move that around to either before or after that whole sequence. Which, again, could work, but it means stitching together the two sections of the fight, which is tricky.

Oh yeah, it’s definitely an easier said than done thing. But unless you do that, you’re sort of forced to cut it down a lot (like how you have it). Because even if you cut Kylo’s dialogue in the main audio channel, you still hear the echoes of that dialogue in the other channels, as I mentioned earlier.

Anyway, it might be something that I can play with. Maybe in the meantime we could collect some foley that could be used for that scene? Like saber sounds for Rey and Kylo’s sabers, the stuff they break during their fight, and then maybe see if we can isolate any other unique sounds that are in that scene.

I’m finding that LEGO Star Wars audio rip really useful for this sort of stuff.

I’d like to be able to preserve those sort of “howling” saber clashes that are just in this scene. They’re very cool.

Oh yeah, that’s a good place to start!

So basically,

1. Go through scene and find what unique sounds can be isolated and reused.
2. Go through the LEGO TFA audio to find new lightsaber and destruction foley.
3. Find alternate foley from outside sources outside of Star Wars for destruction or other sounds.
4. Potentially create new foley if some of the unique sounds need to be replicated.

Honestly, this would probably benefit any edit that makes changes to this scene, because I feel like the music is what makes the cuts more noticeable. So even though I think a music-less version would just be cool for its own sake, it could work as a good template for other people wanting to chop the scene up and re-add music.

I’d probably start by refoleying the scene as-is, and then editing from that. I’m on vacation next week so maybe I’ll have time to play around with that.

SpenceEdit said:

RogueLeader said:

Honestly at this point, all I need to see is a version of the force bond duel in Kylo’s quarters that feels seamlessly edited, and I’ll be convinced that a Rey Nobody edit (that removes any connection b/w Palpatine and her parents) can be done that doesn’t feel like a fan edit. There are some solid attempts already, but you can still see the seams here and there in the versions that I’ve seen.

Here’s what I came up with for that scene. Not a lot of meat on the bones, but it works as a little pop of action and showing Rey giving in to her anger a little bit.

Because I put Leia’s death where the “dark rey” vision originally occurred, I’ve tied her visions to the dagger. So she gets one when she picks it up in the desert, and then another one here. A few minutes later, I’m using a version of the “You will kill Palpatine and take the throne” edit that’s further up the thread. So we get a little reminder of that here too.

https://vimeo.com/685575722

Interesting idea to just cut it to the bone, but I think having it cut so short makes the fact that we exit the scene to check in with Finn and Poe, and then come right back, all the more jarring. I also think the sith voices need to be mixed differently. Right now they stand out to me in an odd way.

Octorox said:

SpenceEdit said:

RogueLeader said:

Honestly at this point, all I need to see is a version of the force bond duel in Kylo’s quarters that feels seamlessly edited, and I’ll be convinced that a Rey Nobody edit (that removes any connection b/w Palpatine and her parents) can be done that doesn’t feel like a fan edit. There are some solid attempts already, but you can still see the seams here and there in the versions that I’ve seen.

Here’s what I came up with for that scene. Not a lot of meat on the bones, but it works as a little pop of action and showing Rey giving in to her anger a little bit.

Because I put Leia’s death where the “dark rey” vision originally occurred, I’ve tied her visions to the dagger. So she gets one when she picks it up in the desert, and then another one here. A few minutes later, I’m using a version of the “You will kill Palpatine and take the throne” edit that’s further up the thread. So we get a little reminder of that here too.

https://vimeo.com/685575722

Interesting idea to just cut it to the bone, but I think having it cut so short makes the fact that we exit the scene to check in with Finn and Poe, and then come right back, all the more jarring. I also think the sith voices need to be mixed differently. Right now they stand out to me in an odd way.

Definitely nowhere near 100% done with the sound mix. I’m still playing around with it for sure.

I am toying with either combining the scene with Pryde with the previous Finn/Poe scene, or just eliminating it altogether.

I tinkered around with using some of the LEGO Star Wars dialogue for this scene. It was from when he’s unmasked, so I put a bit of a filter on it just to see what if it worked. I’m sure a better filter could be done to match it better. Maybe something like this could work? (sorry, I’m out of vimeo space)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17ZgP-8x5KyLUtGNwCxEG26L0ktdAyKjU/view?usp=sharing

SpenceEdit said:

RogueLeader said:

Honestly at this point, all I need to see is a version of the force bond duel in Kylo’s quarters that feels seamlessly edited, and I’ll be convinced that a Rey Nobody edit (that removes any connection b/w Palpatine and her parents) can be done that doesn’t feel like a fan edit. There are some solid attempts already, but you can still see the seams here and there in the versions that I’ve seen.

Here’s what I came up with for that scene. Not a lot of meat on the bones, but it works as a little pop of action and showing Rey giving in to her anger a little bit.

Because I put Leia’s death where the “dark rey” vision originally occurred, I’ve tied her visions to the dagger. So she gets one when she picks it up in the desert, and then another one here. A few minutes later, I’m using a version of the “You will kill Palpatine and take the throne” edit that’s further up the thread. So we get a little reminder of that here too.

https://vimeo.com/685575722

I really like this, but I feel like the Sith whispers are a bit to prominent. Could you send me the audio files? I’d like to try something with them to make them fit the scene a bit better.

Here’s another try at the Force Bond scene. I’ve moved the scene with General Pryde to before Rey enters Kylo’s chambers, so the fight is uninterrupted and has a better flow. I used some dialogue from Battlefront II, but it’ll need to be tweaked further to better match (audio stuff like that isn’t my strong suit).

https://vimeo.com/686480950