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Unusual Sequel Trilogy Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 95

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RogueLeader said:

I definitely agree with that assessment. It’s like they have a very small fleet, but they invested a lot into it. Arguably it could be seen as a quality over quantity mentality, which the Empire arguably did the opposite with their disposable TIE fighters and such.

If only there was a line where their limitations were brought up. Too bad there weren’t any scenes reminiscent to the Imperial meeting in ANH.

There was; JJ put it in ROS.

After TLJ reduced Hux and the First Order to a comical joke, Admiral Pryde was JJ’s attempt to bring Empire-like imagery back and added Sith cultism. Unfortunately, it was far too little far too late.

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Right, and I agree with you that it was too little to late. I meant to say that such a scene should’ve really been in TFA.

I like Peter Pan’s idea about replacing Kylo’s clone line with something more relevant maybe, but I don’t know what you could replace it with.

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Maybe the ROS scene could be put into TFA somehow?

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Feeling very inspired by bbghost’s removal of the Jedi voices in TROS. Here’s a take I had for the third act.

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That is really cool amobex!

I think your use of Rey’s lines about balance from TLJ was a cool idea that I haven’t seen discussed or executed before. This would be a great approach for anyone who may have wanted to depict Rey “growing beyond” some old Jedi perspective. She has all of these things in her, but it is all a part of the Force.

If it were me, I think I would wait and cut to shots of Leia (or any of her other friends), until after she starts saying “be with me”. I think it would be a clever thing if the audience (and maybe even Rey) thought she was calling on the past Jedi for guidance, but then get glimpses of the people she cares about, the people that motivate her. I could silent shots of Finn, Poe, Leia, Luke, etc. hugging/smiling/encouraging Rey. The last shot could be of Leia when she says “Never be afraid of who you are”, then we could get the balance sequence that you depicted. These ideas could work in tandem, but they could work independently for other editors just as well.

I think keeping the ghosts works too. You could argue their presence validates Rey’s thoughts and actions. Almost like she reached a point of enlightenment, and that connected her with the Jedi, rather than just saying “be with me” over and over again.

I’m not sure if some of the scene restructuring works, but a big part of that is how hard it is to detach the shots from the flow of the score. It did give me a thought though about Ben’s arrival. The movie does seem to depict Rey sensing his presence before she “agrees” to kill Palpatine, which implies that whole build-up is a ruse. I wonder how it would feel if we cut that acknowledgement, and saved it so she doesn’t sense Ben until she is about to kill him. So that whole build up is genuine, and Rey is really about to kill him.

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RogueLeader said:

I’m not sure if some of the scene restructuring works, but a big part of that is how hard it is to detach the shots from the flow of the score. It did give me a thought though about Ben’s arrival. The movie does seem to depict Rey sensing his presence before she “agrees” to kill Palpatine, which implies that whole build-up is a ruse. I wonder how it would feel if we cut that acknowledgement, and saved it so she doesn’t sense Ben until she is about to kill him. So that whole build up is genuine, and Rey is really about to kill him.

Honestly, I feel like Amobex’s edit did that for me. lol

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Very nice work amobex! I think that was a brilliant idea for the route for Rey nobody or if Rey palpating everything that RL described.

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Great job amobex! I was planning on including some of that TLJ dialogue when Rey was starting to heal Kylo’s lightsaber wound, but it certainly works just as well here, if not better. And I like the visual snippets as well to go along with it. The whole thing makes it much more grounded in her journey.

“That’s not how the Force works!”

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What if Rey barried Anakin and Leia’s Sabers near Shmi Skywalker’s grave? It would be symbolic and cool honestly.

#TROSFAN

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RogueLeader said:

That is really cool amobex!

I think your use of Rey’s lines about balance from TLJ was a cool idea that I haven’t seen discussed or executed before. This would be a great approach for anyone who may have wanted to depict Rey “growing beyond” some old Jedi perspective. She has all of these things in her, but it is all a part of the Force.

If it were me, I think I would wait and cut to shots of Leia (or any of her other friends), until after she starts saying “be with me”. I think it would be a clever thing if the audience (and maybe even Rey) thought she was calling on the past Jedi for guidance, but then get glimpses of the people she cares about, the people that motivate her. I could silent shots of Finn, Poe, Leia, Luke, etc. hugging/smiling/encouraging Rey. The last shot could be of Leia when she says “Never be afraid of who you are”, then we could get the balance sequence that you depicted. These ideas could work in tandem, but they could work independently for other editors just as well.

I think keeping the ghosts works too. You could argue their presence validates Rey’s thoughts and actions. Almost like she reached a point of enlightenment, and that connected her with the Jedi, rather than just saying “be with me” over and over again.

I’m not sure if some of the scene restructuring works, but a big part of that is how hard it is to detach the shots from the flow of the score. It did give me a thought though about Ben’s arrival. The movie does seem to depict Rey sensing his presence before she “agrees” to kill Palpatine, which implies that whole build-up is a ruse. I wonder how it would feel if we cut that acknowledgement, and saved it so she doesn’t sense Ben until she is about to kill him. So that whole build up is genuine, and Rey is really about to kill him.

Oh shit. Very interesting stuff here. Wheels spinning. Think there’s a lot of potential

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I’ve got a second draft that I’m doing some fine tuning to now that takes in a lot of the feedback. I’m hoping to have a new link tomorrow-ish. Fair warning though—it won’t work for every edit because I’m cannibalizing some scenes that were removed in my upcoming, unorthodox version of TROS.

Cheers

Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.

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Here’s a draft of the final confrontation with much of RogueLeader’s feedback implemented:

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Cheers!

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That is very elegantly done! I agree with RogueLeader that the ghosts work in theory, I just don’t know if their appearance has enough weight/significance with the current pacing, mainly due to Palpatine’s line specifically directed at Rey coming while they appear.

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BrotherOfSasquatch said:

Has anyone considered using the “Shot That Launched A Thousand Modern Day Star Wars Discourses”? Which I of course mean is this: https://static0.gamerantimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Kylo-ren-trailer.jpg

I feel like the only two places in the trilogy you could use this shot would either be:

  1. During Rey’s Lightsaber Mind Trip in TFA

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  1. Used during one of the multiple Force Skype sessions/visions between Kylo and Rey in TROS. It could also fit really nicely in fan edits for this movie with the KYlo vs. Darth Vader scene a lot of people have added into the film.

Little late, but I actually tried working this into my edit, during the Starkiller Base duel, along with a cut shot I got from the behind the scene featurette where Kylo yells “STOP!” when confronting Rey and Finn.

There’s a lot of small little edits I’m playing about with too, so let me know what you think if anyone watches this.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SFLQPMq6ZiGGNH5qXF3RsnZPrn1-Q_Kv/view?usp=sharing

I’m a complete amateur at editing and this is nowhere the level that others post in this thread, but I’ve been lurking for a while and been feeling inspired to try some of my own ideas out, ignore the lack of proper audio in some parts

(I’m trying to remove/change the score in this scene so I had to recreate the foley of the scene myself to achieve that, and making the lightsaber duel sound the way it should is a lot harder than it seems, think of this of a rough draft :v)

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I’ve been lurking around Jar Jar Bricks’ edit of the TLJ & TROS novel, & I like their notion of adding Anakin in more as a means to make the ST feel more connected to the idea of I-VI being about The Tragedy of Darth Vader. While they said it can only be done with the novelizations, I think there are ways of accomplishing this in the movies. Here’s what I think would be doable in TROS:

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-When Kylo arrives on Exegol, instead of Palpatine, he encounters a Vision of Vader, using the Fan Film Force of Darkness as a basis. However, you redub over Vader, making him sound more like either Hayden Christensen or Matt Lanter, & recolor his lightsaber from red to blue. It gives agency to Anakin, it makes an intriguing image to see Vader with blue lightsaber & therefore allows a glimpse into Kylo’s psyche at the time.

-When Kylo places his hand on mask, trying to speak to Vader, he’ll get visions of Anakin from the PT trying & failing to be a good person, suffering, until we see child Anakin walking away with Qui-Gon, only recut/recolored so that Anakin is looking disapprovingly at Kylo. You can also recolor shots of Kylo on Crait to better sell the idea that Kylo and Anakin are looking at each other.

-Lastly, after Han’s memory convinces Kylo to turn back to the light, as Kylo throws his lightsaber away, we cut back to Han who is slowly morphin into Anakin’s Force Ghost. This is Anakin giving Kylo the last push he needs to go help Rey. Even if Kylo doesn’t know why he saw his father, it’s effective.

As for TLJ, this is a little trickier, but it would be cool if when Rey’s trying to convince Luke to train her or that Kylo could be saved, have Luke ask R2 to “play the last time you saw my father,” and R2 shows a hologram of Anakin choking Padme on Mustafar as part of the reason why Luke doesn’t want to train anyone.

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Couple ideas:

Make Luke a dead Force ghost from the beginning and minimize his role in the story. Imply that he died somehow or that he ascended to a higher plane. Make the plot of The Force Awakens about finding something else. Make Rey someone that Luke already trained, which explains why she starts so powerful. Maybe start the story with her training. Obviously this would require cutting out huge chunks of all three movies. Personally I would prefer to cut out almost everything in TLJ in regard to Luke, but that’s another topic and you wouldn’t necessarily have to to implement this idea.

Maybe instead of a map to Luke, TFA is about a map to the fleet of star destroyers (similar to the Katana fleet in the Thrawn trilogy.) Maybe the map is destroyed and Kylo gets the wayfinders as an alternative without the good guys knowing, where he meets Palpatine and finds out he’s got the fleet.

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So basically have the same plot of finding Exegol run through the entire trilogy and Ach-To is somehow a stop on the way there?

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Holdo’s kamikaze scene, while visually great, was not a good addition to the SW lore. Yes, yes, all the arguments have already been made, especially as this kind of overpowered attack would actually win the rebellion.

So…why not make that scene part of the final dogfight battle…and involve Luke.

Maybe something like:

Instead of dying after the Force projection, Luke pulls off the greatest Jedi trick and wipes out the fleet from afar and THEN dies. Proving size means nothing and the Jedi are one with everything, including space. He’s gone beyond sabers and fighting with lasers.

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thebluefrog said:

Holdo’s kamikaze scene, while visually great, was not a good addition to the SW lore. Yes, yes, all the arguments have already been made, especially as this kind of overpowered attack would actually win the rebellion.

So…why not make that scene part of the final dogfight battle…and involve Luke.

Maybe something like:

Instead of dying after the Force projection, Luke pulls off the greatest Jedi trick and wipes out the fleet from afar and THEN dies. Proving size means nothing and the Jedi are one with everything, including space. He’s gone beyond sabers and fighting with lasers.

I made a video as a proof of concept for a similar idea a while ago, except with Luke moving the ship by projection.

https://vimeo.com/363964146

Password: Luke

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Anakin Starkiller said:

So basically have the same plot of finding Exegol run through the entire trilogy and Ach-To is somehow a stop on the way there?

No trilogy, it would be one movie, two at most.

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Welp, my 4K color correction project has taken a backseat again as I was really inspired by SpenceEdit’s No Leia idea.

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Here’s a take on the idea that I’m fairly certain will make its way into my own eventual edit. It will differ significantly in that I’m keeping Rey a Palpatine but it shares a lot of the same DNA as SpenceEdit’s (credit where credit is due).

Cheers!

Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.

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I’m a little confused why you’re killing off Leia early.

I disagree with cutting away right before the RotS quote instead of right after, but I’m guessing you really wanna save Palpy’s face reveal for later. Idk, it feels like a bit of an awkward point to cut away from.

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Fair questions. In the original version the two pivotal confrontations (Rey and Kylo & Rey and Palpatine) are resolved by outside intervention rather than by Rey and Kylo themselves.

My solution to the latter is to replace the Jedi voices with her own inner dialogue coming to terms with her nature. It’s this balance that allows her to stand with past Jedi and finally defeat Palpatine.

The former, however, I didn’t have an answer for until I saw SpenceEdit’s work. By having the confrontation between Rey and Kylo play out just between them it re-centers the narrative.

The scenes we do lose don’t outweigh what we gain in focus and added emotional tension and payoff in the first act—at least theoretically.

Regarding Palpatine, I would prefer to keep him more of a looming presence in the film until later. It’s not for any kind of big reveal but just to keep his characterization as far away from schlocky villain as possible.

Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.