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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 350

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Anakin/Vader should do more “hunting and destroying the Jedi Knights”, which Order 66 prevents from happening by making the Jedi die like wimps.

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If only order 66 happened in Attack of the clones. I’d love if Revenge of the Sith focused on Anakin hunting the jedi and having Obi wan

I always had this idea in my head of anakin acting disheveled and a jedi bringing anakin into his hut. He tells anakin “I heard stories, they said you were killed at the temple”.
They sit and talk sharing war stories, anakin asks questions about the other jedi and where they are scattered to. He shares a holocron with Anakin.

Then the tone shifts and the Jedi realises in shock that the enemy is Anakin, he goes for his lightsaber but anakin strikes him down in a flash.

The scene from Inglorious Basterds in the bar, that’s the type of thing it would feel like.

He only becomes suited Vader at the end, but by the end he has given up, he wants Obi wan to kill him, but he just leaves him in the state we see him in on Mustafar, it’s only because of Palpatine he continues to live.

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Well I don’t see a way to move Order 66 to AOTC but you could add a time jump to ROTS. Or stretch the timespan between Anakins turn + Order 66 and the final duel to maybe a week and make a scene or montage of him fighting some Jedi. The slaughter of the separatist should work as a template, maybe add some lightsabers to some of them and you should be good to go.

Now for the structural change.
The seeds of Rebellion plot line would fit perfectly to bridge the time gap and maybe show how things changed, especially the final scene with Anakin and Padme on opposing sites would be great in this context. (though Palpatine would need a deepfake to get his wrinkly face)

After the senators realized that the won’t achieve anything in the senate, some of them leave with Bail, who made contact with Obi-Wan and Yoda.

The two of them were lead to a small Jedi Temple on some outer rim world, because of a beacon sent by a surviving Jedi. But upon their arrival they find all Jedi to be dead and see a recording of Anakin killing them. Afterwards they change the beacon and contact Organa.

after that they meet up with him on Mustafar where the senators have met in secret. And Palpatine dispatches Vader to sniff out this “rebellion”. But after he arrives he meets Padme and Obi-Wan and the fight ensues.

Something like that should be feasible, what do you think?

P.S.:
By the way, I just realized how stupid the original trap to lure in rouge Jedi was.
I mean sure, ask them to come home and lower their guard after publicly declaring your intention to annihilate them. 10/10, just perfect

“Vader! Hologram, now!”

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I’ve actually suggested a similar idea before, but you could potentially replace Anakin killing the Separatists leaders with Anakin killing a group of Jedi that have rendezvoused on Mustafar.

First, you would have to cut Palpatine telling Anakin to go to Mustafar after he has killed all the Jedi in the temple, and then Anakin telling Padmé that he is going to Mustafar to “end this war”.

Instead of Anakin calling Palpatine after he’s killed the Separatists, you could replace that hologram with a Republic/Imperial officer telling Palpatine that they’ve received reports that a group of Jedi have been spotted on Mustafar. Then, Anakin just tells Padmé that he’s going to Mustafar for a very important mission.

This would be the hard part, but you could potentially have actors dress as Jedi and film in front of a green screen, then create new shots to replace them with the Separatists. You could even have someone dress as Anakin, and since Anakin has his hood on in this scene, you could just avoid the body double’s face.

Though if you were going through all of that effort, it might just be better to make a “Darth Vader hunting Jedi” fan film.

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One general suggestion that’s been brought up before, but probably not for a while: insert actors in real, physical clonetrooper armor. It it could be done convincingly, just a handful throughout AOTC and ROTS (at least in some backgrounds, but ideally replacing some in foreground shots) would go a long way toward making the films feel more tactile and making the CGI troopers more palatable.

Co-author of STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER - THE TEAM DALE REWRITE

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Cadavra said:

One general suggestion that’s been brought up before, but probably not for a while: insert actors in real, physical clonetrooper armor. It it could be done convincingly, just a handful throughout AOTC and ROTS (at least in some backgrounds, but ideally replacing some in foreground shots) would go a long way toward making the films feel more tactile and making the CGI troopers more palatable.

I’d love to see a short subplot following a clone squad during Order 66 inserted. Something along the lines of Bad Batch or Seige of Mandalore, but shorter and more in line with the tone of ROTS.

“It’s like rhymetry. They poem.” - Leorge Gucas

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Another idea I had was making Anakin confess the Tusken slaughter to Palpatine, and keep it a secret from Obi-Wan and Padme.

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I wonder if you could add Sifo Dyas to TPM by tweaking sidious’ holograms and keep only his scene with Maul on coruscant as a cameo.

The tricky thing might be to write and record Sifo Dyas new dialogue so that it is evident that he is merely the messenger and not the real mastermind.
Other than that there could be some opportunities to hint at his real identity, for example it could be him that warns Gunray that the ambassadors are Jedi knights or he could propose to buy a better army.
Cough, cough, clones or something, cough, cough.

“Vader! Hologram, now!”

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Peter Pan said:

I wonder if you could add Sifo Dyas to TPM by tweaking sidious’ holograms and keep only his scene with Maul on coruscant as a cameo.

The tricky thing might be to write and record Sifo Dyas new dialogue so that it is evident that he is merely the messenger and not the real mastermind.
Other than that there could be some opportunities to hint at his real identity, for example it could be him that warns Gunray that the ambassadors are Jedi knights or he could propose to buy a better army.
Cough, cough, clones or something, cough, cough.

I always thought “Sifo Dyas” was Dooku, considering Obi-Wan confirms that the real Sifo Dyas died before the clone army was ordered.

Not that that necessarily impacts on your idea - just cut those lines from AOTC and it’s fine.

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Thats another thing, because sifo Dyas sounds just like sidious, there might be some options to make Dooku mention him.

“Vader! Hologram, now!”

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Yeah, I think Dooku in TPM would be great. Sifo Dyas is totally a play on Sidious though.

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Sure Sifo Dyas isn’t a mayor character in the Story. But that’s precisely why I see potential to implement him into TPM. We don’t know exactly how he looks and speaks. Yet if we change the Hologram there would be plenty of scenes to utilize to change the story substantially.
I think there is some massive potential not just to alter TPM but AOTC as well and help connecting the two better.

So here’s what I’m thinking:
For TPM:
-have sifo dyas as the link between Sidious and the Trade Federation; maybe he could make some remark about a clone army much like Kylie did in TFA

-Qui-Gon is friends with Sifo Dyas and senses something off, once he sets foot on the trade federations ship (much like Vader senses obi-wans presence in ANH)
-when Qui-Gon meditates in the final duel with Maul show how he realizes that it was Sifo Dyas he sensed on the ship and that he was involved with the trade federation. Now when he dies this information is lost.

Now AOTC:
-Instead of the clone army being made for the republic change its customer to be the trade federation, who want to replace their droids which failed them on Naboo. This would also explain why Kamino was deleted from the Jedi archives.

-after Obi-Wan’s discovery on Kamino the Republic decides to pay the Kaminoans tripple (it’s set up by dexster’s description of them that their loyalties lie with the money only)

-change poggle’s subtitles to express the betrayal the separatist experience after the clones enter the battle on geonosis.

These simple changes would do three things: 1.add a character driven subplot to TPM that is set up in the opening and resolved in the end.
2. Connect TPM and AOTC
3. Remove the mystery surrounding Sifo Dyas and do away with the problem that nobody seems to be suspicious of an army that was secretly made for the republic and ordered well before any mayor conflict was on the horizon.
This literally has „evil twist“ written all over it.
Now it seems that the republic was able to snatch this army from their adversaries and nobody could suspect that this was part of a greater scheme.

“Vader! Hologram, now!”

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Peter Pan said:

Thats another thing, because sifo Dyas sounds just like sidious, there might be some options to make Dooku mention him.

Irrelevant anecdote: When I was a kid my cousin told me that all Sith were ex-Jedi and that Sifo Dyas was Sidious, who faked his own death right before TPM.

The Jedi didn’t recognize him because kid logic.

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Irrelevant anecdote: When I was a kid my cousin told me that all Sith were ex-Jedi and that Sifo Dyas was Sidious, who faked his own death right before TPM.

You should post that to the headcanon thread.

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I think that using classic Hammer films as reference to deepfake a younger Tarkin in could be worth experimenting with.

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Sifo-Dyas was a secret Sith and Palpatine’s apprentice according to George. I’m very interested to see how he would’ve brought this idea to life in his Sequels to bring the story full circle further. I like the idea of him and Dooku being used as tools at the same time for the Grand Plan.

“Heroes come in all sizes, and you don’t have to be a giant hero. You can be a very small hero. It’s just as important to understand that accepting self-responsibility for the things you do, having good manners, caring about other people - these are heroic acts. Everybody has the choice of being a hero or not being a hero every day of their lives.” - George Lucas

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TestingOutTheTest said:

Stardust1138 said:

Sifo-Dyas was a secret Sith and Palpatine’s apprentice according to George.

Source?

Paul Duncan’s Prequels book.

“Heroes come in all sizes, and you don’t have to be a giant hero. You can be a very small hero. It’s just as important to understand that accepting self-responsibility for the things you do, having good manners, caring about other people - these are heroic acts. Everybody has the choice of being a hero or not being a hero every day of their lives.” - George Lucas

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Stardust1138 said:

Sifo-Dyas was a secret Sith and Palpatine’s apprentice according to George. I’m very interested to see how he would’ve brought this idea to life in his Sequels to bring the story full circle further. I like the idea of him and Dooku being used as tools at the same time for the Grand Plan.

You know? This gave me the idea that maybe we could remove Sifo’s name in Episode II and change it to Snoke
This (along with making Sidious and Dooku’s final scene take place in Exegol, rather than Coruscant) would be a nice reference to the sequel trilogy
Though I don’t know if sentence-mixing the word “Snoke” would sound convincing enough

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I’m sure making Sifo-Dyas a Sith apprentice was one of George’s ideas at one point, but both the original EU and Clone Wars season 6 (which was technically released under Disney but written with George’s direct involvement) officially established him as a well-intentioned Jedi whose drastic actions were discovered and exploited by Sidious, who eventually ordered Dooku to have him killed.

Definitely an intriguing idea for a fanedit linking the trilogies, though.

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Cadavra said:

I’m sure making Sifo-Dyas a Sith apprentice was one of George’s ideas at one point, but both the original EU and Clone Wars season 6 (which was technically released under Disney but written with George’s direct involvement) officially established him as a well-intentioned Jedi whose drastic actions were discovered and exploited by Sidious, who eventually ordered Dooku to have him killed.

Definitely an intriguing idea for a fanedit linking the trilogies, though.

I honestly think there was more to the story than just what was established in Clone Wars. I’m reminded of this retrospect. Dave Filoni really implied there was more going on.

https://youtu.be/KGBdRW7jjUk

My theory is Sifo-Dyas and Dooku were both secretly trained by Palpatine at the same time. They were both challenging each other for who would lead the Separatist Movement. However once Sifo-Dyas no longer served a purpose Palpatine had Sifo-Dyas killed as he fulfilled his requirement of ordering the army and the trace of Sith’s involvement was lost due to the illusion it was a Jedi who set things into motion. So sort of what you’re saying but with the added layer of what George talked about.

“Heroes come in all sizes, and you don’t have to be a giant hero. You can be a very small hero. It’s just as important to understand that accepting self-responsibility for the things you do, having good manners, caring about other people - these are heroic acts. Everybody has the choice of being a hero or not being a hero every day of their lives.” - George Lucas

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Stardust1138 said:

Cadavra said:

I’m sure making Sifo-Dyas a Sith apprentice was one of George’s ideas at one point, but both the original EU and Clone Wars season 6 (which was technically released under Disney but written with George’s direct involvement) officially established him as a well-intentioned Jedi whose drastic actions were discovered and exploited by Sidious, who eventually ordered Dooku to have him killed.

Definitely an intriguing idea for a fanedit linking the trilogies, though.

I honestly think there was more to the story than just what was established in Clone Wars. I’m reminded of this retrospect. Dave Filoni really implied there was more going on.

https://youtu.be/KGBdRW7jjUk

My theory is Sifo-Dyas and Dooku were both secretly trained by Palpatine at the same time. They were both challenging each other for who would lead the Separatist Movement. However once Sifo-Dyas no longer served a purpose Palpatine had Sifo-Dyas killed as he fulfilled his requirement of ordering the army and the trace of Sith’s involvement was lost due to the illusion it was a Jedi who set things into motion. So sort of what you’re saying but with the added layer of what George talked about.

I think this has a lot of potential and could be incorporated into a fan edit of TPM by changing Sidious Hologram to Sifo-Dyas (played and voiced by a new actor).

“Vader! Hologram, now!”

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Cadavra said:

I’m sure making Sifo-Dyas a Sith apprentice was one of George’s ideas at one point, but both the original EU and Clone Wars season 6 (which was technically released under Disney but written with George’s direct involvement) officially established him as a well-intentioned Jedi whose drastic actions were discovered and exploited by Sidious, who eventually ordered Dooku to have him killed.

Definitely an intriguing idea for a fanedit linking the trilogies, though.

Yeah, you’re completely right

I also think that it’s an interesting idea, nonetheless (One that could be implemented in one of those edits that mostly ignore the canon)

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Once you see the resemblance between the names Sifo-Dyas and Sidious, you just can’t unsee them. It was definitely intentional. They were clearly meant to be one and the same at some stage in development.

Using Snoke instead is a juicy idea. Still think Dooku works best, but who knows.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Once you see the resemblance between the names Sifo-Dyas and Sidious, you just can’t unsee them. It was definitely intentional. They were clearly meant to be one and the same at some stage in development.

They were. George made a typo of Sidious as Sido-Dyas. It was originally the name of a “Jedi” they had never heard of. In reality it was an alias. The story evolved and he changed it to a character named Sifo-Dyas and planned to explore his backstory in Revenge of the Sith. He changed his mind. It’s curious because he remarks in the commentary of Attack of the Clones that the Clone Wars is very important to the whole epic of Star Wars. It makes me think he may have saw potential for it as a way to tie into his Sequels if he were to ever make them. Same with Anakin’s origins not getting their original explanation at the hands of Palpatine. The story grew and evolved as he added new pieces to the puzzle.

“Heroes come in all sizes, and you don’t have to be a giant hero. You can be a very small hero. It’s just as important to understand that accepting self-responsibility for the things you do, having good manners, caring about other people - these are heroic acts. Everybody has the choice of being a hero or not being a hero every day of their lives.” - George Lucas