The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released) — Page 502

Knight of Kalee said:

Cadavra said:

Further, removing the dialogue doesn’t solve the problem of gathering such a large force so quickly. You would need added scenes to do that.

To clarify, I’m not proposing a better justification for assembling the fleet so quickly. I’m proposing eliminating the very idea that the fleet was assembled so quickly to begin with, but rather that it was already assembled by the time TROS begins. Poe’s lines are a hurdle to this change because, as one of the Resistance’s top leaders (and THE co-General by the time of the final battle), he would presumably have some idea of the fleet’s actual size.

Yeah, this make sense. I honestly expected Lando or Poe would transmit an inspiring message to the worlds much like Ezra or Mon Mothma did in Rebels, asking them to meet Lando at some kind of rendezvous point. Not saying all the people in the galaxy wouldn’t be instantly swayed by Lando’s charm but it feels a bit of a reach to think the Falcon visited the systems one by one (considering most of them were also besieged by First Order forces) in such a short span.

This is the canon answer. He went in person to a few places but he beamed an inspirational message to the rest.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Knight of Kalee said:

Cadavra said:

Further, removing the dialogue doesn’t solve the problem of gathering such a large force so quickly. You would need added scenes to do that.

To clarify, I’m not proposing a better justification for assembling the fleet so quickly. I’m proposing eliminating the very idea that the fleet was assembled so quickly to begin with, but rather that it was already assembled by the time TROS begins. Poe’s lines are a hurdle to this change because, as one of the Resistance’s top leaders (and THE co-General by the time of the final battle), he would presumably have some idea of the fleet’s actual size.

Yeah, this make sense. I honestly expected Lando or Poe would transmit an inspiring message to the worlds much like Ezra or Mon Mothma did in Rebels, asking them to meet Lando at some kind of rendezvous point. Not saying all the people in the galaxy wouldn’t be instantly swayed by Lando’s charm but it feels a bit of a reach to think the Falcon visited the systems one by one (considering most of them were also besieged by First Order forces) in such a short span.

This is the canon answer. He went in person to a few places but he beamed an inspirational message to the rest.

This would’ve been great, if we actually saw that message… At the very least I wonder if we had a shot of R2 start recording Finn and Poe as they give their speech would be enough to imply that it is their speech that is the message Lando and Chewie broadcast when they go to the Core Worlds.

But, I do think the new crawl helps get the idea across that people are rebelling across the galaxy now. I think cutting Poe’s line, “They’ve given up” could potentially help. I mean, if we’re recontextualizing Kijimi to be in the middle of a revolt, it might come off as weird for Poe to say “they’ve given up” when they’re literally watching explosions in the distant streets. So the conversation could go from “Everyone is so afraid” to “Hey, they win by making us think we’re alone…”

With that said, I do think that the new crawl, the puppet show, the potential Kijimi rebellion changes, etc, stuff like this helps sets up that hope lives in the galaxy, and for the fleet to show up in the end, I think.

Tobar said:

dgraham414 said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Knight of Kalee said:

Cadavra said:

Further, removing the dialogue doesn’t solve the problem of gathering such a large force so quickly. You would need added scenes to do that.

To clarify, I’m not proposing a better justification for assembling the fleet so quickly. I’m proposing eliminating the very idea that the fleet was assembled so quickly to begin with, but rather that it was already assembled by the time TROS begins. Poe’s lines are a hurdle to this change because, as one of the Resistance’s top leaders (and THE co-General by the time of the final battle), he would presumably have some idea of the fleet’s actual size.

Yeah, this make sense. I honestly expected Lando or Poe would transmit an inspiring message to the worlds much like Ezra or Mon Mothma did in Rebels, asking them to meet Lando at some kind of rendezvous point. Not saying all the people in the galaxy wouldn’t be instantly swayed by Lando’s charm but it feels a bit of a reach to think the Falcon visited the systems one by one (considering most of them were also besieged by First Order forces) in such a short span.

This is the canon answer. He went in person to a few places but he beamed an inspirational message to the rest.

If you rode Star Tours when TROS released you got to see Lando’s message and everything.

Here’s a link to it if anyone is interested.

I really hope we’ll get a Mandalorian update for Star Tours.

If only there was like a released footage of that. not someone’s cam. I’m sure that footage would find a way into people’s fan edits eventually

Also re Lando’s recruitment of the galaxy. I interpreted it as putting two and two together, in the sense that the emperor threatened the galaxy that the final order is coming (debate of whether that was smart or not is another topic), luke skywalker restoring hope to the galaxy and Lando recruiting people would just be the snowball effect. Galactic version of “going viral”. People communicate with one another, meet at this point etc. and that’s what you see in the movie, the “galaxy fleet” showing up.

Here is the two-shot test for the puppet show. I made a few changes but I’ll wait and see what people notice. Let me know what y’all think.

https://vimeo.com/554491835

RogueLeader said:

Here is the two-shot test for the puppet show. I made a few changes but I’ll wait and see what people notice. Let me know what y’all think.

https://vimeo.com/554491835

I think it’s perfect. Flawless execution.

Movies Remastered said:

Love the two shots. The close up really works great. The first shot feels a little flat though. Is there any way to exaggerate the AT-AT walk, like a bob up and down walk like a kid would do? Or like an articular front to back leg movement like a dog walk?

Yeah, I could try that. I didn’t want the AT-AT to do too much, because I didn’t want people’s eyes to be drawn to it and not at the Luke puppet, but a little more movement probably wouldn’t hurt.

RogueLeader said:

Here is the two-shot test for the puppet show. I made a few changes but I’ll wait and see what people notice. Let me know what y’all think.

https://vimeo.com/554491835

PERFECT.

RogueLeader said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Knight of Kalee said:

Cadavra said:

Further, removing the dialogue doesn’t solve the problem of gathering such a large force so quickly. You would need added scenes to do that.

To clarify, I’m not proposing a better justification for assembling the fleet so quickly. I’m proposing eliminating the very idea that the fleet was assembled so quickly to begin with, but rather that it was already assembled by the time TROS begins. Poe’s lines are a hurdle to this change because, as one of the Resistance’s top leaders (and THE co-General by the time of the final battle), he would presumably have some idea of the fleet’s actual size.

Yeah, this make sense. I honestly expected Lando or Poe would transmit an inspiring message to the worlds much like Ezra or Mon Mothma did in Rebels, asking them to meet Lando at some kind of rendezvous point. Not saying all the people in the galaxy wouldn’t be instantly swayed by Lando’s charm but it feels a bit of a reach to think the Falcon visited the systems one by one (considering most of them were also besieged by First Order forces) in such a short span.

This is the canon answer. He went in person to a few places but he beamed an inspirational message to the rest.

But, I do think the new crawl helps get the idea across that people are rebelling across the galaxy now. I think cutting Poe’s line, “They’ve given up” could potentially help. I mean, if we’re recontextualizing Kijimi to be in the middle of a revolt, it might come off as weird for Poe to say “they’ve given up” when they’re literally watching explosions in the distant streets. So the conversation could go from “Everyone is so afraid” to “Hey, they win by making us think we’re alone…”

For what it’s worth, I interpreted his “everyone is so afraid” as people being out for themselves and not wanting to officially join the Resistance.

Which in the end, he was partially right. Everyone came together, but it wasn’t under the banner of the Resistance, but the galaxy as a whole.

I think the problem with reversing the footage is that the smoke and the stuff wafting in the air looks sort of weird in reverse.

Roto-ing the hand would be great if you want to try!

And I’ll try to make both puppets bounce a little more the next version.

EDIT:

krausfadr said:

The two shot is amazing. The cut made after the second puppet shot needs to be at a point before or after the whisp of white dust. That sudden movement doesn’t quite jive with the stillness in the shot of the kids afterword.

Yeah, this was something that was bugging me too, I’ll see about cutting a frame or two earlier.

RogueLeader said:

Here is the two-shot test for the puppet show. I made a few changes but I’ll wait and see what people notice. Let me know what y’all think.

https://vimeo.com/554491835

Oof. That’s perfect. Truly amazing to see this finally realized.

The close-up shot of the children looking over is a bit awkward since they look to the right, but the following action of the puppets is on the left (the walker winding up the fire), I looked at the original scene and noticed you reversed that shot, but I think now it makes more sense to leave it with the children looking left at the walker that’s about to shoot.

RogueLeader said:

The plate I used to was from poppasketti, and it was just 1080p I think.

It would be great if the plate was 4K, but I feel like it probably would’ve been a pain to clean, and there wasn’t an expectation to crop the shot initially.

There is an effect on After Effects called Detail-Preserving Upscale, so I’m hoping I could potentially crop the shot for a second zoomed-in shot, without it looking super noticeable.

Also, for the the OTS shot of Rey looking at the children and the puppet show, I just zoomed in to not show the stage from an angle. Trying to do anything with the stage from that angle was a pain in the ass. It would be nice to get a 4K source for that shot, at least, but I might be able to use the previous mentioned effect to help maintain its quality as well.

And you might be right, Sparky. At the very least I might screw around with the two shots idea and see if it works or not.

And thanks for all the responses, everyone! I appreciate all of the feedback and the compliments.

Do you need a nice usable 4K shot because I can provide you with one? (4K HDR or SDR)

Burbin said:

The close-up shot of the children looking over is a bit awkward since they look to the right, but the following action of the puppets is on the left (the walker winding up the fire), I looked at the original scene and noticed you reversed that shot, but I think now it makes more sense to leave it with the children looking left at the walker that’s about to shoot.

I don’t mind this, the alien says Skywalker and they look over at him. It’s more like they’re focused on him and what he’s doing.