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…have you checked out the 1992 laserdisc boxset. Has a huge difference in color grade. The way I remember it looked when I first saw it.
You are in luck. There is a discussion on that very subject here:
I was just getting over how long I’ve waited for this print-scan to happen until I saw this recent Oreo cookie TV commercial:
From my reading of maxpower91’s request, he is looking for the version of the release print of ESB with one audio option–the 2-channel optical soundtrack. This version would be called, “Renegade Grindhouse ESB.” Unfortunately, since the source is a theatrical print, there are about 3 seconds of footage missing. Since the audio is stored on the print, sound from that missing footage would not be heard.
If you can’t get access to myspleen, search the torrents or usenet and make note of the following information:
That the version, you are looking for, is released before 2017, as that was when Dreamaster made his GOUT-sync’d version of the same release print.
Avoid an AVCHD version with multiple audio streams that are out of sync.
You can read about that here:
…beginning with the post from July 18, 2016, from BobaJett.
These are just a start. I am sure other members can give you more information.
There’s also some discussion about other methods here:
I’m not sure if this is the right thread for what I’m about to say, so if there’s a thread for something like this, please point the way!
Rewatching ESB for probably the 50,000,000th time, I actually noticed something weird about one scene in particular. Right when Darth Vader says “No, I am your father”, pay close attention to him. I can’t really describe what it is, but it’s the way he moves as he says that immortal line. It’s very subtle, but if you look closely, you’ll notice it.
I’m not sure if that’s David Prowse moving with the rushing wind or if it’s something from the editing process. And the only thing that comes to mind seeing him move like this is that it could probably be something called the “forward-reverse technique”. I say that because it reminds me of when the technique was used for the scene in that godawful “Batman & Robin” movie when Robin comes out of the water and goes right back in again. Only with ESB, it wasn’t as colossally (and painfully) obvious.
I don’t know if I’m the only one who sees this or if I’m just rambling about nothing, but if anybody has the answer to this, I sure would appreciate it because I keep thinking it’s a Special Edition change until I watched the Grindhouse Edition and noticed the subtle movement there. So I’m guessing it’s been there since 1980. So really, my question is what the heck it is?
I, too, have noticed that shot.
This “rock and roll” trick was discussed, lightly, on the “Empire of Dreams” documentary, but for a shot in ANH. At the 56:03 mark of the documentary, editor Paul Hirsh said that he had to “rock” the final few frames of a medium shot of a Tusken Raider “back and forth” so that the shot appears that the sandperson was raising his weapon-stick up-and-down several times instead of just raising it up once as it was originally filmed.
Getting back to Vader and ESB, my theory is this: given what we know of that shot, David Prowse in the Vader suit says the line, “obi wan killed your father” during the filming. To keep Luke and Vader’s blood relations a secret, the shot was kept intact throughout the post-production stages until James Earl Jones reads Luke true parentage. Using dramatic pauses between “I…” and “…am your father” in Jones’ delivery, the filmmakers like the reading but they didn’t want to edit down the recording, so the editor extended the shot to fit the recording by using the said “back and forth” trick.
I’m, actually, with HerekittykittyX on this one.
Also didn’t Williams rerecord the fanfare for RotJ?
Williams and the London Symphony Orchestra recorded the Fox fanfare during the scoring sessions of ESB and it was introduced in that said film. It is this same recording that is used in RotJ and the prequels.
Hello, i’ve downloaded an iso containing The Empire Strikes Back 35mm print, it’s called ESB_Grindhouse_1080p_BD_Compat. I’m trying to sync the audio tracks from Harmy’s depecialized edition and subtitles from ProjectThreepio-v100 but the m2ts video contained in the iso doesn’t seem to be GOUT synced. Has anyone found a solution to this?
That is because the source of “ESB_Grindhouse_1080p_BD_Compat” is from a release print that has 3 and a quarter seconds worth of footage missing from the GOUT version.
Your best bet is to find Dreamaster’s color corrected version of ESB-Grindhouse…
…where he has sync’d the release print to the GOUT, so that you can load your audio options of choice from the Despecialized Edition to ESB-Grindhouse.
One member, here, made this discovery.
I found a Version on a french tracker (YGGT0RRENT) and it worked great.
Google is your friend.
Here’s a youtube video on the comparisons between the theatrical cut and the Director’s cut:
There’s always usenet. Here’s some info to start you off:
I signed up for a one week unlimited free trial (that doesn’t even require you give your credit card information) from http://www.pureusenet.nl/en, and I downloaded the free usenet client SABnzbd. With that, I was able to download this whole thing in about an hour with an average speed of around 10 Mbps without paying a cent.
- Make sure you register with a usenet provider. If you don’t want to pay get a free trial from a service like the one I mentioned.
- Follow the instructions at the following link to set up SANnzbd and link it to your server:
- Go to a site called binsearch and search for “SSE.”
- Check the box next to what is currently the second link listed (should be about 36GB and say 1.6) and select “create NZB.”
- Open the NZB file you just created with SABnzbd.
- Wait for it to finish downloading, verifying, and unpacking.
- And you’re done.
Speaking from myself, a guy that didn’t know anything about usenet two years ago, this worked out well for me. Just do the work in the research.
My thanks to you for your open praise. Assuming that you have already checked-out my 8 other audio-sync projects, both Star Wars and non-Star Wars, that are on the same place that you got the 2 that you have (just search for them under my username on that site), I’m all Star-Wars-OT’d out.
Unfortunately, I didn’t have the idea at the time to sneak-in a tape recorder into a theatre and make these recordings. So, my thanks to the members for not only having the b*@&# to do that, but also in saving them, and for making them available, here, and on the website of the organ.
I’ve seen snippets of Halloween on youtube with a 1978 audience going nuts.
I would love to have the recording to that in its entirety. I haven’t seen the film in a long time because I’ve worn out my enjoyment over it. Having that InTheater audio sync’d to the movie would give me a good excuse to revisit it.
I’m hoping that these uploads will inspire you, all, to look through your attics or any other hidden cache for any other audio In-theater screenings of other films that you can upload. If you want someone to sync them to the video for you, PM me.
If you own such recordings and you want me to sync them, I have no problem with your being the uploader/presenter. All I ask is that you credit me as the sync’er.
Just a heads-up:
I’ve GOUT-sync’d morgands1’s InTheater 70mm stereo audio recording and released in the website of the human organ.
Unfortunately, the print that was shown during that screening had missing frames, so audio from the GOUT would be missing. For those instances on my .wav file, I put silent patches on them.
In between the scenes where the Falcon escapes from the Death Star and the TIE fighter attack, there are 4 unintentional edits on them. Since the GOUT audio that is missing on each edit amounts to under 2 seconds, I’ve managed to leave audio for these sequences untouched. This point in the audio stream is like a demonstration on how magnetic tracks sound when they are rejoined together. Depending on the skills of the projectionist, the patched film slices can leave no “pop” sounds on the edits, unlike would you would hear on the optical tracks from a 16mm or 35mm film print. This was the case, here.
Here is one other demo of a good patch-up job on a mag track. This one is from the screening of the limited-release cut of TESB, also captured by morgands1. It’s the Wampa sequence.
• 0:00 - 1:53 - In-Theater recording. Edit occurs at the 0:37 mark
• 1:55 - 3:57 - Same scene with the missing audio occurring between the 2:33 and 2:39 mark. Source: 1985 Beta Hifi, P&S, Dolby Surround videotape.
• 4:00 – end - The In-Theater recording and the videotape audio sync’d together—In-Theater audio in right channel, ‘85 videotape audio in left. Missing audio revealed in the left channel at the 4:38 mark.
I’ve also GOUT-sync’d L.Meyer’s DC InTheater audio recording (that was submitted here by BrianM) and released that on the said website.
I don’t know if you are aware but we already have a 35mm print project going on.
If I’m understanding you well enough:
You want to know if someone, here, has used the Blu Ray audio mix of the ROTJ’s Victory Celebration and edited to the Ewok Celebration scene from the GOUT version of ROTJ?
For clarification, what should a person try to sync this to? The blu-ray? In the past I synced my 97se laserdisc projects to capablemetal’s files which were synced to the dts discs.
As for Syncing, I’d sync it to the DTS theatrical discs I’d guess.
There is another way.
Back in 2015, CapableMetal released on the ‘spleen x264 encodes of the SE 97 trilogy made from TB broadcasts along with his CinemaDTS sound mixes, in a DTS codec file, sync’d together. The x264 encodes are in 23.976fps and are among the best references for the Special Edition. For frame count, I’ve compared the encode with the Blu Ray (starting from the first frame of the SW logo-zoom-out through the final shot of the film where the medal ceremony shot makes an iris transition to the end credits) and I’ve discovered two shots with different frame amounts.
Both the encode and the Blu Ray have the same number of frames in all the remaining shots in the film (note that I’ve haven’t counted the length of the studio logos and the “long time ago…” display, all involve fades to/from black)
This is not to say that volunteers, here, who don’t have access to this x264 encode, shouldn’t use the Blu Ray as a reference to search for missing frames in the print-scan. You can. Just keep these two said shots with different frame counts in mind.
I’ve cleaned 4 minutes of film during the last week. Doing the math, that puts me at 10 months if I go at a slightly lower 3 minutes a week pace.
So next Novemember/December 2018… God willing… I’ll be back with something very cool. 😃
If that is the case, then may I ask you, again, to consider releasing your current work (v2) with the higher video bit rate, minus the multiple audio channels, to tide us over?
Those of us with bigger displays would like to experience the improvements that you’ve made in its full glory.
Furthermore, I’m sure there are experts here that can mux the multiple audio tracks with the higher bitrate video file and create a BD50 disc out of it.
With results like this, you might have to remove “Grindhouse” from your project title. 😉
May I ask you to look at your PMs from me, please?
Please forgive this necessary post.
Most of the cues can be found in various LP and CD releases from around the world, except for Penderecki’s “Kanon” (from Utrenja). The recording used in the film (by The National Warsaw Philharmonic Orchestra) was available in the old LP it seems, but sadly in abridged form. Anyone knows where such performance can be found in full?
Here is some info on what formats this specific performance, recorded in 1973, is available:
Album Title: Krzysztof Penderecki – Jutrznia – Utrenja
Orchestra: Symphony Orchestra of the National Philharmonic, Warsaw (Orkiestra Symfoniczna Filharmonii Narodowej W Warszawie), Andrzej Markowski, conductor
2 –disc Vinyl LP set
Label: Muza SXL 0889-0890
Label: Polskie Nagrania/Muza PNCD 018
BTW: Please read PM
The Fox logo and title cards suffer from very low bitrate. It’s as low as 2Mbps at some >moments, causing some macroblocking artifacts. The picture does get much much better, >especially when it gets to Hoth. Is there a reason the video bitrate is much lower than >version 1?
V2 has all the Despecialized audio tracks, plus fitted for a 25gb blu ray. So the video encode is quite a bit smaller than version 1. Side by side I didn’t notice much of a difference though.
Would you consider re-releasing your corrected version of this project with a higher video bitrate?
This way, folks, here, can load in the audio streams of their choice and not sacrifice the quality of the video, thereby they can appreciate the changes that you’ve made to your work at a higher level. When they are burning the video to a disc, they can decide how much bitrate on the video, itself, to lose to suit their viewing taste.
Thanks to RU08’s link to this thread, I was able to DL your scans of the trailers. My thanks to you for your time and effort in producing them. This slightly grainy quality will be my preferred viewing version.
I was able to sync schorman13’s work on the Theatrical DTS English audio of the trailers to your scans of the trailers. Now I can crack my home theater and watch these, right.
I would love to take a crack at it. Read the PM when you have a moment.
Just to give you a heads up:
I just uploaded a GOUT-sync’d version of this recording into the website of the human organ.
To address the missing 6 seconds of audio from the Wampa sequence…
…the audio of the Wampa cave fight - prior to Luke using the force to retrieve his light saber - is about five-and-three-quarters seconds shorter in 70mm than the 1985 and 1993 transfers,
Here is an MP3 comparison of the Wampa scene.
It begins with the scene from the 70mm in-theatre recording, followed by the 1985 BetaHifi tape. Then I put the two in sync - 70mm in right channel, 85 tape in left - which results in a nearly six-second gap.
…I just put silence over it.
I do realize that there has been speculation over the missing audio of the said sequence. Perhaps the cause of the speculation was the fact that the edit didn’t come with an anomaly, like a “pop” sound, as you would hear it on an optical track from a 35mm print. But, because this audio is from magnetic tracks of a 70mm print, and since no one from this thread…
… can recall any footage missing from this sequence, I’m going to go with TServo2049’s theory
If some accident occurred and that section got boogered up, the projectionist might have had to cut it out just so they could continue running the print. 70mm was expensive, so it was probably a lot harder to get a replacement print, especially on short notice.
In other words: the film broke during a previous screening of this print and the projectionist was able to rejoin the broken ends together, even the magnetic tracks, so, that the audience didn’t hear the “pop” in the film splice.
As for the alternate edit of the Rebel Fleet sequence where these 3 GOUT SFX shots …
…didn’t exist at the time of the screening, I left those shots silent, too.
So, for the moment, this recording is the closet we’ll ever get to the first-released cut of ESB.
My thanks go to OT member morgands1 for capturing the audio and for making it available to us.
EDIT: I had a link of a video I’ve made of the said alternate ending with the In-Theater recording unedited, but I 've later found out that there are several videos of this scene out there on YouTube.
Also if anyone has the DTS discs, drop me a line.
If I can ask you to be more specific. Do you need the actual discs or do you need the audio from the discs.
The ISO disc image of the Cinema DTS-CD ROMs from all the SW films, SE’97 and the prequels, can be found on the usenet circuit. I am sure there are people here that have the ISO disc image files and can extract the .AUD files from the discs to open the 6 channel audio files for sync’ing.