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#1165959
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW
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KimmieParker said:

I’m not sure if this is the right thread for what I’m about to say, so if there’s a thread for something like this, please point the way!

Rewatching ESB for probably the 50,000,000th time, I actually noticed something weird about one scene in particular. Right when Darth Vader says “No, I am your father”, pay close attention to him. I can’t really describe what it is, but it’s the way he moves as he says that immortal line. It’s very subtle, but if you look closely, you’ll notice it.

I’m not sure if that’s David Prowse moving with the rushing wind or if it’s something from the editing process. And the only thing that comes to mind seeing him move like this is that it could probably be something called the “forward-reverse technique”. I say that because it reminds me of when the technique was used for the scene in that godawful “Batman & Robin” movie when Robin comes out of the water and goes right back in again. Only with ESB, it wasn’t as colossally (and painfully) obvious.

I don’t know if I’m the only one who sees this or if I’m just rambling about nothing, but if anybody has the answer to this, I sure would appreciate it because I keep thinking it’s a Special Edition change until I watched the Grindhouse Edition and noticed the subtle movement there. So I’m guessing it’s been there since 1980. So really, my question is what the heck it is?

I, too, have noticed that shot.

This “rock and roll” trick was discussed, lightly, on the “Empire of Dreams” documentary, but for a shot in ANH. At the 56:03 mark of the documentary, editor Paul Hirsh said that he had to “rock” the final few frames of a medium shot of a Tusken Raider “back and forth” so that the shot appears that the sandperson was raising his weapon-stick up-and-down several times instead of just raising it up once as it was originally filmed.

Getting back to Vader and ESB, my theory is this: given what we know of that shot, David Prowse in the Vader suit says the line, “obi wan killed your father” during the filming. To keep Luke and Vader’s blood relations a secret, the shot was kept intact throughout the post-production stages until James Earl Jones reads Luke true parentage. Using dramatic pauses between “I…” and “…am your father” in Jones’ delivery, the filmmakers like the reading but they didn’t want to edit down the recording, so the editor extended the shot to fit the recording by using the said “back and forth” trick.

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#1153965
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Team Negative1 - The Empire Strikes Back 1980 - 35mm Theatrical Version (Release Details and Updates)
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Tommaso21 said:

Hello, i’ve downloaded an iso containing The Empire Strikes Back 35mm print, it’s called ESB_Grindhouse_1080p_BD_Compat. I’m trying to sync the audio tracks from Harmy’s depecialized edition and subtitles from ProjectThreepio-v100 but the m2ts video contained in the iso doesn’t seem to be GOUT synced. Has anyone found a solution to this?

That is because the source of “ESB_Grindhouse_1080p_BD_Compat” is from a release print that has 3 and a quarter seconds worth of footage missing from the GOUT version.

Your best bet is to find Dreamaster’s color corrected version of ESB-Grindhouse…

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Denoise-Regrain-And-CC-of-ESB-Grindhouse/id/55093

…where he has sync’d the release print to the GOUT, so that you can load your audio options of choice from the Despecialized Edition to ESB-Grindhouse.

One member, here, made this discovery.

schlanske said:

I found a Version on a french tracker (YGGT0RRENT) and it worked great.

-> Star.Wars.V.L.Empire.Contre.Attaque.1980.TN1.Dreamastered.v2.MULTI.VFF.1080p.PCM.DTS.HDMA.x264-Foxhound

Google is your friend.

#happynewyear

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#1152512
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Help with Silverscreen Edition Download Issues
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There’s always usenet. Here’s some info to start you off:

Density said:

I signed up for a one week unlimited free trial (that doesn’t even require you give your credit card information) from http://www.pureusenet.nl/en, and I downloaded the free usenet client SABnzbd. With that, I was able to download this whole thing in about an hour with an average speed of around 10 Mbps without paying a cent.

Density said:

  1. Make sure you register with a usenet provider. If you don’t want to pay get a free trial from a service like the one I mentioned.
  2. Follow the instructions at the following link to set up SANnzbd and link it to your server:
    http://wiki.sabnzbd.org/quick-setup
  3. Go to a site called binsearch and search for “SSE.”
  4. Check the box next to what is currently the second link listed (should be about 36GB and say 1.6) and select “create NZB.”
  5. Open the NZB file you just created with SABnzbd.
  6. Wait for it to finish downloading, verifying, and unpacking.
  7. And you’re done.

Speaking from myself, a guy that didn’t know anything about usenet two years ago, this worked out well for me. Just do the work in the research.

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#1143746
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1977 70mm soundtrack recording
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@ GZK8000:
My thanks to you for your open praise. Assuming that you have already checked-out my 8 other audio-sync projects, both Star Wars and non-Star Wars, that are on the same place that you got the 2 that you have (just search for them under my username on that site), I’m all Star-Wars-OT’d out.

Unfortunately, I didn’t have the idea at the time to sneak-in a tape recorder into a theatre and make these recordings. So, my thanks to the members for not only having the b*@&# to do that, but also in saving them, and for making them available, here, and on the website of the organ.

SilverWook said:
I’ve seen snippets of Halloween on youtube with a 1978 audience going nuts.

I would love to have the recording to that in its entirety. I haven’t seen the film in a long time because I’ve worn out my enjoyment over it. Having that InTheater audio sync’d to the movie would give me a good excuse to revisit it.

Edit:
I’m hoping that these uploads will inspire you, all, to look through your attics or any other hidden cache for any other audio In-theater screenings of other films that you can upload. If you want someone to sync them to the video for you, PM me.
If you own such recordings and you want me to sync them, I have no problem with your being the uploader/presenter. All I ask is that you credit me as the sync’er.

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#1142906
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1977 70mm soundtrack recording
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Just a heads-up:

I’ve GOUT-sync’d morgands1’s InTheater 70mm stereo audio recording and released in the website of the human organ.

Unfortunately, the print that was shown during that screening had missing frames, so audio from the GOUT would be missing. For those instances on my .wav file, I put silent patches on them.

In between the scenes where the Falcon escapes from the Death Star and the TIE fighter attack, there are 4 unintentional edits on them. Since the GOUT audio that is missing on each edit amounts to under 2 seconds, I’ve managed to leave audio for these sequences untouched. This point in the audio stream is like a demonstration on how magnetic tracks sound when they are rejoined together. Depending on the skills of the projectionist, the patched film slices can leave no “pop” sounds on the edits, unlike would you would hear on the optical tracks from a 16mm or 35mm film print. This was the case, here.

Here is one other demo of a good patch-up job on a mag track. This one is from the screening of the limited-release cut of TESB, also captured by morgands1. It’s the Wampa sequence.
http://www.wideanglecloseup.com/Wampa_comparison.mp3
• 0:00 - 1:53 - In-Theater recording. Edit occurs at the 0:37 mark
• 1:55 - 3:57 - Same scene with the missing audio occurring between the 2:33 and 2:39 mark. Source: 1985 Beta Hifi, P&S, Dolby Surround videotape.
• 4:00 – end - The In-Theater recording and the videotape audio sync’d together—In-Theater audio in right channel, ‘85 videotape audio in left. Missing audio revealed in the left channel at the 4:38 mark.

I’ve also GOUT-sync’d L.Meyer’s DC InTheater audio recording (that was submitted here by BrianM) and released that on the said website.

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#1135511
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1997 Star Wars Special Edition 35mm Project
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althor1138 said:

For clarification, what should a person try to sync this to? The blu-ray? In the past I synced my 97se laserdisc projects to capablemetal’s files which were synced to the dts discs.

poita said:
As for Syncing, I’d sync it to the DTS theatrical discs I’d guess.

There is another way.

Back in 2015, CapableMetal released on the ‘spleen x264 encodes of the SE 97 trilogy made from TB broadcasts along with his CinemaDTS sound mixes, in a DTS codec file, sync’d together. The x264 encodes are in 23.976fps and are among the best references for the Special Edition. For frame count, I’ve compared the encode with the Blu Ray (starting from the first frame of the SW logo-zoom-out through the final shot of the film where the medal ceremony shot makes an iris transition to the end credits) and I’ve discovered two shots with different frame amounts.

  1. The optical fade-to-black/fade-from-black shot made up of 3 separate shots
  • Luke and the droids enter the garage (3P0’s line: ”Why I should stick my neck out for you…”) where it fades to…
  • …a set of black frames where it fades to…
  • …3P0 being lowered into the oil bath.
    In that group of black frames sandwiched by the two shots, the SE97 has 8 black frames more than the BR
  1. The Han and Greedo laser-shot exchange (if you can call it that 😃). The SE97 version has 19 frames, while the BR has 8.

Both the encode and the Blu Ray have the same number of frames in all the remaining shots in the film (note that I’ve haven’t counted the length of the studio logos and the “long time ago…” display, all involve fades to/from black)

This is not to say that volunteers, here, who don’t have access to this x264 encode, shouldn’t use the Blu Ray as a reference to search for missing frames in the print-scan. You can. Just keep these two said shots with different frame counts in mind.

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#1134614
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Denoise, Regrain And CC of ESB Grindhouse
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Dreamaster said:

I’ve cleaned 4 minutes of film during the last week. Doing the math, that puts me at 10 months if I go at a slightly lower 3 minutes a week pace.

So next Novemember/December 2018… God willing… I’ll be back with something very cool. 😃

If that is the case, then may I ask you, again, to consider releasing your current work (v2) with the higher video bit rate, minus the multiple audio channels, to tide us over?

Those of us with bigger displays would like to experience the improvements that you’ve made in its full glory.

Furthermore, I’m sure there are experts here that can mux the multiple audio tracks with the higher bitrate video file and create a BD50 disc out of it.

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#1123596
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THE SHINING - Complete Score!
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IsanRido said:

Most of the cues can be found in various LP and CD releases from around the world, except for Penderecki’s “Kanon” (from Utrenja). The recording used in the film (by The National Warsaw Philharmonic Orchestra) was available in the old LP it seems, but sadly in abridged form. Anyone knows where such performance can be found in full?

Here is some info on what formats this specific performance, recorded in 1973, is available:
Album Title: Krzysztof Penderecki ‎– Jutrznia – Utrenja
Orchestra: Symphony Orchestra of the National Philharmonic, Warsaw (Orkiestra Symfoniczna Filharmonii Narodowej W Warszawie), Andrzej Markowski, conductor

2 –disc Vinyl LP set
Label: Muza SXL 0889-0890

CD
Label: Polskie Nagrania/Muza PNCD 018

BTW: Please read PM

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#1122153
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Denoise, Regrain And CC of ESB Grindhouse
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jimbotron235 said:
The Fox logo and title cards suffer from very low bitrate. It’s as low as 2Mbps at some >moments, causing some macroblocking artifacts. The picture does get much much better, >especially when it gets to Hoth. Is there a reason the video bitrate is much lower than >version 1?

Dreamaster said:
V2 has all the Despecialized audio tracks, plus fitted for a 25gb blu ray. So the video encode is quite a bit smaller than version 1. Side by side I didn’t notice much of a difference though.

@Dreamaster:

Would you consider re-releasing your corrected version of this project with a higher video bitrate?

This way, folks, here, can load in the audio streams of their choice and not sacrifice the quality of the video, thereby they can appreciate the changes that you’ve made to your work at a higher level. When they are burning the video to a disc, they can decide how much bitrate on the video, itself, to lose to suit their viewing taste.

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#1121657
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Star Wars SE German Theatrical Trailers - 35mm Preservation
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Thanks to RU08’s link to this thread, I was able to DL your scans of the trailers. My thanks to you for your time and effort in producing them. This slightly grainy quality will be my preferred viewing version.

I was able to sync schorman13’s work on the Theatrical DTS English audio of the trailers to your scans of the trailers. Now I can crack my home theater and watch these, right.

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#1115782
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Hopefully the last 70mm vs. 35mm ESB audio differences thread
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Just to give you a heads up:
I just uploaded a GOUT-sync’d version of this recording into the website of the human organ.

To address the missing 6 seconds of audio from the Wampa sequence…

morgands1 said:
…the audio of the Wampa cave fight - prior to Luke using the force to retrieve his light saber - is about five-and-three-quarters seconds shorter in 70mm than the 1985 and 1993 transfers,

morgands1 said:

Here is an MP3 comparison of the Wampa scene.

http://www.wideanglecloseup.com/Wampa_comparison.mp3

It begins with the scene from the 70mm in-theatre recording, followed by the 1985 BetaHifi tape. Then I put the two in sync - 70mm in right channel, 85 tape in left - which results in a nearly six-second gap.

David

…I just put silence over it.

I do realize that there has been speculation over the missing audio of the said sequence. Perhaps the cause of the speculation was the fact that the edit didn’t come with an anomaly, like a “pop” sound, as you would hear it on an optical track from a 35mm print. But, because this audio is from magnetic tracks of a 70mm print, and since no one from this thread…
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/70-mm-print-of-the-Empire-Strikes-Back-Differences/id/2321/page/1
… can recall any footage missing from this sequence, I’m going to go with TServo2049’s theory

TServo2049 said:

If some accident occurred and that section got boogered up, the projectionist might have had to cut it out just so they could continue running the print. 70mm was expensive, so it was probably a lot harder to get a replacement print, especially on short notice.

In other words: the film broke during a previous screening of this print and the projectionist was able to rejoin the broken ends together, even the magnetic tracks, so, that the audience didn’t hear the “pop” in the film splice.

As for the alternate edit of the Rebel Fleet sequence where these 3 GOUT SFX shots …



…didn’t exist at the time of the screening, I left those shots silent, too.

So, for the moment, this recording is the closet we’ll ever get to the first-released cut of ESB.

My thanks go to OT member morgands1 for capturing the audio and for making it available to us.

EDIT: I had a link of a video I’ve made of the said alternate ending with the In-Theater recording unedited, but I 've later found out that there are several videos of this scene out there on YouTube.

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#1115205
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The Phantom Menace on 35mm
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poita said:

Also if anyone has the DTS discs, drop me a line.

If I can ask you to be more specific. Do you need the actual discs or do you need the audio from the discs.

The ISO disc image of the Cinema DTS-CD ROMs from all the SW films, SE’97 and the prequels, can be found on the usenet circuit. I am sure there are people here that have the ISO disc image files and can extract the .AUD files from the discs to open the 6 channel audio files for sync’ing.

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#1106422
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kk650's Star Wars Saga: Regraded and Semi-Specialized
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KK650’s ESB Semi-Specialised Edition does include the theatrical Emperor courtesy of Adywan. See description:
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/kk650s-Star-Wars-Semi-Specialised-Edition-HD-The-Empire-Strikes-Back-Semi-Specialised-Edition-HD-Return-of-the-Jedi-Semi-Specialised-Edition-HD-Help-Needed-Please-/id/16001

kk650 presents: The Empire Strikes Back Semi-Specialised Edition

Technical Specs:

Name: The Empire Strikes Back Semi-Specialised Edition

Size: 15.4 GB

Video: 1920x824 H264 23.976

Audio Track: Uncompressed PCM track based of Belbucus’s 1993 PCM audio mix

Subtitle Track 1: English Subtitles

Subtitle Track 2: Spanish Subtitles

Like many, I was unhappy with a lot the changes that were made for the Special Editions and most recently the blu-rays.

Harmy’s Despecialised Editions are great for those that want to see the films exactly as they were when they were originally released theatrically, but some of the changes (especially the updating of special effects) actually make the films better IMHO, so I decided to make ‘Semi-Specialised’ editions of these films to remove what I considered the bad changes while keeping all the good changes/additions.

After working on and off on these three films for almost two years, the Star Wars Semi-Specialised original trilogy is finally finished.

I hope that you enjoy these releases as much as I enjoyed making them. Do please let me know whether you like this release and if not, feel free to say why. If you run into any problems, also let me know and i’ll see what I can do.

Below is a brief summary of the changes made to this film:

The Empire Strikes Back:

Audio changes:

The emperor’s original dialogue from the theatrical release has been restored

The original voice of Boba Fett from the theatrical release has been restored

Luke’s line ‘you’re lucky you don’t taste so good’ after R2D2 gets spat out has been restored

Darth Vader’s line ‘Bring me my shuttle’ has been restored

New lossless pcm audio track created to fit this semi-specialised edition, based off Belbucus’s excellent 1993 Empire Strikes Back PCM audio mix

Video Changes:

Regraded to remove blue tint running throughout the whole film that was introduced for the first time in the special edition DVD and was carried over to the blu-ray

The original emperor from the theatrical release has been returned (my thanks goes to Adywan for the original emperor footage taken from his Empire Strikes Back colour corrected ‘purist’ edition)

The digitally added sparks for the blu-ray in the scene where chewie is trying to get c3po from the dwarves have been removed

All extra shots of Darth Vader going back to the Executor and the arrival on the star destroyer that were not in the theatrical release have been removed so they do not interupt the escape of the millenium falcon

Lightsabers made more consistant so they are not constantly changing colour, Vader’s lightsaber is now red all the time rather than turning pink.

The latest, v2.6 in 22GB, is on the 'spleen.

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#1101997
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Scofield version - SW theater recording
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Just to give you a heads up: I just uploaded a GOUT-sync’d version of this recording to that website of the organ.

There are some silent patches in this version I’ve made and they exist for the following reasons:

  • The tape began recording at 30 seconds into the film
  • As the film was running, the tape had to be turned over, so, at the 01:00:53 mark, silence comes-up. This lasts for 16 seconds.
  • The release print that ran the film at that screening had missing frames, so I left silent patches in those areas. They occurred at…
    • The head-end of the first shot of Reel 3 (where Luke, Ben and the droids are at the sandcrawler’s torched remains): the start of the trumpet solo from the music is missing. Scofield A (00:38:24), GOUT (00:38:44)
    • The head-end of the first shot of Reel 6: The announcement’s line,”… to your stations” is heard instead of “all pilots to your stations.” Scofield B (00:17:49), GOUT (01:40:08)

I purposely didn’t patch-up those silent areas. I know that members, here, will be studying the sound-mix of this version and I didn’t want to distort the content of this recording by using sound from other home video editions or even use bits from the recording to cover the silent patches up.

Besides, I’d be a real rat if I took away the pleasure of having y’all work on replacing the missing audio.

Just so that you won’t be twiddling your thumbs in-between silent breaks, I’ve made a no-frills .srt file that displays captions and a countdown clock

If there is no sound and no message, then the sound will return in no more than two seconds. This would be for the frames missing from the release print and other audible interruptions from the recording that I left in.

In all, there are 4 silent patches in my audio file.

The challenge was in the sync’ing. The recording on the 2 audio files had different durations changing every 1 to 3 minutes. In other words: if I sync’d a part of the Scofield file to the GOUT, it would stay in sync for about 1 to 3 minutes, then the file would drift out of sync—sometimes the audio would be faster in duration or slower. In the end, I had to create multiple copies of the same audio file with different durations for each file, all in the same pitch as the original file. I had to select one Scofield audio file, sync it to the GOUT, find the point in the audio where it drifts out of sync and trim it, select another Scofield file of a different duration, sync’d that to another part of the GOUT, find the point of drifting and trim it, join that with the other portion of the file with the different duration, select another Scofield file, and so on. The tedious part is searching for the right duration of the file to fit the pieces of the GOUT.

Other than up-converting the 44.1k sampling rate on the original recording to a sampling rate of 48K (for adding this to a Blu Ray), and the said time-stretching/shrinking of that same audio file, no EQing has been applied to my audio file.

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#1101491
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Isolating Music and Voices in Star Wars
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Another suggestion:

Make a collection of audio files featuring the extracted Leia Hologram speech that contains parts of the speech that are clean and parts where there is still music leakage. These groups of audio files would be made up from several music mixes from either the CD or film, whether it be just the left channel, just the right channel, the sum of the left and the right, just the rear channel, the sum of the left, right, and rear, etc. You are basically throwing every music mix in any combination and seeing how much clean parts you can get.

Hopefully each extracted audio file will have clean parts of the dialog but not in the same places. Go to each audio file, select the clean parts, put them all in a separate blank audio file and edit them together into one clean audio file.

If after you do all that and you still have portions of the speech with music leakage, then listen to each portion and see what music instrument(s) is heard predominantly. Make up a music mix where that instrument is heard at that high level or try EQing.

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#1101330
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Isolating Music and Voices in Star Wars
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@NeverarGreat:

In case you are still in search for a better quality of the Leia hologram dialogue, have you tried to use the one from “The Story of Star Wars” LP. The sound on the LP is mixed directly to 2 channel, no matrix-surround encoding, and you can try using the 2 channel music mix of the variety of LP releases. I would start with the music LP presentation that came out on CD from the Polydor label and work your way up.

EDIT: A correction:
The music over the Leia hologram at the Lars garage was available commercially in 1977, however, the music over the Leia hologram at Obi-Wan’s home would begin to be available in 1997 by RCA Victor and later Sony.

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