I honestly believe he does not need to be there as a ghost... Although he is from the original without trying to sound radical It really is not needed.
And the whole swapping ghosts has made it worse I think.
May as well have this for the next official iteration as It is the only incarnation left
Just for kicks
Yes intentional, I am just wondering what it would look like if the ghosts all showed up at the same time :)
rather than fashionably late to the party.
Putting Anakin in the middle might also help convey that he is with them... A little re-arrangement... It's worth playing about with just to see what this does.
I like a lot of things in that mock up...
I think it is more or less nailed it with the fleet leaving endor as the way to go and cut the celebrations galaxy hopping.
Although I would shave that back a lot more.
The problem with ROTJ ending is that it tries to wrap everything into a neat bow and it really takes away from the ending that approach and does not leave any scope for life goes on. the mock up fixes a lot of that problem.
Just need some new celebration music and original ghost or no ghost.
The problem with the ghosts is that they fade Anakin in afterwards he should be there from the very start with Ben and Yoda if he appears. It was a bad idea and comes across as an after thought either they all show up together or only Ben and Yoda.
I had a couple of last audio edit suggestions I wanted to raise.
one is an observation that C3-PO's voice sounds a bit odd. Not sure if these lines are in the radio drama but if they are I would suggest a swap only to C3-PO's lines or EQ the sound of his voice so it sounds more like he does normally. There is a strange hollowness to these lines in particular.
Radio Drama line sounds much better less like he is talking into a paper cup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL0E7B89EE4E751637&v=Whlt5gOuu4o&feature=player_detailpage#t=391
2nd one is the sudden cut to the crowd panic when in cloud city, I know Ady flatly said no on this but I think he might of thought I meant continuing crowd noise. So I mocked this up as I only mean bridging the cut with sound overlap.
third enhance the background sound of the space train that goes past the landing platform. Good excuse for a pan to be added here... Similar to the soldiers running past the falcon if implemented could also be enhanced with a pan effect.
And that is it. Link below
http://www.mediafire.com/watch/ofs0ubhsk1e1am2/Cloud_city_BGSFX_audio.mp4
that is all I can think of for audio cannot think or see anything else now.
Treat any sounds I used as markers for a "Blank"
I wondered this myself...
It is 50 outtakes of Luke and Yoda on Dagobah in Return of the Jedi. Or at least that is the description I have found about the disc.
Will be interesting to see this and any other outtakes.
The hunt for this material is now on I guess.
I don't know what the other discs have on them though or how many of them there are apart from this one.
Some interesting developments....
I will donate some cash to the project but I have not had any cash come in for ages. I did a job for the company that Jaita works for and they still have not paid quarter of a year later.
I think they are trying to screw me or they are incredibly disorganised. Either way not happy but I will donate something once it starts to come.
Not a personal attack on you Jaita but not to sure about your company. I may have to take them to small claims court as it stands.
On a cheerier note good news on that disc... I wonder what that will be like.... It also makes you wonder how much footage there is locked away somewhere.
Bingowings said:
The sapphire ice caves look lovely but don't really look Star Wars (well at least OT) I can see something like that being in the Order 66 montage of ROTS but not ESB.
Had a visual idea for the Wampa Ice Cave
I am only talking about background elements. Perhaps Increasing Depth??
This is crystal cave in Iceland
Might be a good source for inspiration or shapes less set and more realism
But keeping the core feel of what it is in the film originally
Some of these ice shapes could make the cave a little more fantastical
Original shot of the cave... the special edition is more rocky which is perhaps more realistic but anyway I hope we see the shadow return.
Maybe he's saying "Waldorf Salad"? ;-)
"I'm not paying you to keep some bit of skirt hanging around"
Thanks for the revelation I never put Rieekan in Fawlty towers until now. It's the hair.
That would be suicide..
Without being 100% sure I checked the scene at 80% playback speed.
And If I had to call the missing word I'd say it was "understood"
but that is my best guess. I say this because of C3-PO body language and no other reason.
I agree that he says Launch Patrol as he is turning
Anyway moving on.
No probs... I spotted it and there are a couple of others like this so I raised a flag on it.
At the end of the day i don't have a major issue about it... But I thought it was a bit odd.
If he did say something at that point... It was cut what ever it was.
???? I don't have an answer for it
Neither did I until I started looking at it proper.
It could be tricky as the score will need to be synched up and the line put in the right place. (I did not do this part of the fix with the score)
On top of this I added.
1 .ambient noise from previous command center scenes as it still is fully manned
2. Troops running sound past falcon that is missing (Bloody difficult, this was a challenge too not that happy with what I did but I tried)
3. Ambient noise for the Hanger
4. A feint voice response to the guy signalling to lift the droid hoist
The following command center scene does not need as much doing to it as it is largely abandoned but the people pretending to talk on the headsets could do with muffled sound lines or quiet underlying lines as it looks badly fake.
Anyway this is only observation but It needed a mockup to get all this across I think.
And regarding the bugs / spots or dots around a light source on Dagobah wether they get done or not... I don't think the Lantern is the best place for them but I think the Floodlights on the x-wing is more suitable as the lamp is quite dim and the floodlights are more bright and would attract them
Sorry folks another problem in the command center.
The line "launch Patrols"
A totally different line is mouthed a couple of seconds earlier after leia says "we have no choice" and the audio line is never actually said it is inserted audio.
Does anyone know what the line is Rieekan was actually meant to say via an unedited script???
I guess this has been there since the original theatrical release.
*edit*
He does actually say launch patrols it's just totally out of sync
Rough mock up of what I am trying to say about command center.
1st original and then repeated rough audio edits.
http://www.mediafire.com/watch/demz3r3bu1kub17/Mock_up_Echo_Base.mp4
For the benefit of those who are distressed over this decision
The Command center in echo Base.
Things I have noticed.
There is no Background noise in alot of scenes to convey that it is a working hub of operations.
There are people who are pretending to talk on headsets.(for instance when Leia says to a Rebel dude) Send the evacuation code signal. This guy should have a line even if it is quiet and underlying.
There are open Channels comms i.e. Loud speaker communication with the HUB before the battle but not during the battle.
I don't know if it's possible to somehow do something with the command center scenes during the battle to make them feel a bit more connected with what is going on because the scenes have to also focus on their own agenda. But it could be made a lot more realistic as the scenes come across as really fake compared to today's film making techniques. And the command center does not suffer before the battle they are actually fine.
Quiet Background noise like in the link below would go a long way in some of the scenes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNhxg4dOlig
or control tower style noise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnIIkL4AJNc
I think when we also get to "This one goes there that one goes there" in the Hanger could also do with more Background noise too of all the troops running around nobody is saying a word in the background.
It's more about conveying urgency and more panic I think but subtle.
We don't want bugs we want dots :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ym1tnsK3g
If indeed Lando is on the hit list... Then I remember discussing this in another thread.... It has further reaching implications that go beyond Lando.
That Falcon could become a phoenix. (symbolism)
And that also cements Leia and Hans relationship.
Han would have to ask about Lando.. with the revelation that he lost his second mistress in the process. Would be tricky to pull off.
Who would shake their head in response to the line "Lando?"from Han probably would have to be wedge.
I actually decided against this though and wen't with a shot of jejerrod shi**ing his pants and yehaaaa!
Someone else could also die in ROTJ even if only temporarily.
On another note.
The only good bug is a dead bug
Are you going to or not? if so let's start talking about it....
What do you think... Obviously on the same page about being so cliched but what about plot and such?
What can you see or want to achieve?
I honestly did enjoy it but there is room for improvement and possibilities easily visible before deep analysis.
I have to say I really like that idea..... Although it is a small touch... It adds a massive amount of realism.
Insects drawn to a light source on dagobah were definitely absent on set because of course it's not real but something like that improves believeability 10 fold.
Although you modified macs original suggestion i'll just say well done to the pair of you and i think it's a good idea.
I hope Ady stamps this approved because it is a nice unintrusive touch.
He confirmed that shot alanfae previously...
But i wonder is that a case of replacing the head and keeping the body or an altogether new shot for that one?
Because that shot of ol sad eyes is the full body suit
Defo agreed the puppet is by far the best one hands down.
Although you say flat head the fur is also matted almost like dreadlocks around his mouth where he has been dribbling most likely I think the fur also plays a big part in the look of it
and the moustache shape is absent
the eyes are also like big black pits which is more scary i think
I think he said hand puppet mac but don't quote me on that.
Thanks fpr the feedback yeah I messed up the line veers says after the conversation. via hologram "start your landing when ready" It was not my suggestion though but I thought It was a good idea perhaps.
As doubleofive said it's so easy to lose things on here amongst posts so that list is going back about 7 months or something
anyway I realised I got the wrong line because I just watched the battle of Hoth to observe the command center scenes.
In ESB the command center differs from ANH in that there is no comms chatter from the pilots audible from the room where as all can hear in the battle of Yavin.
I think monroville brought this up so I think it's perhaps worth taking note of but I am not sure if he meant this or within cockpit comms chatter???
Anyway like it or not they are only suggestions and I thought it was good to compile what I could remember being discussed.
I was listening to the radio drama which you can hear on this link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UPmUGkjpzI
This scene in the drama does not feature in the film of "Renegade Squadron" protecting Rebel transports.
But I really like the name "Renegade squadron" and the tags say "Renegade one"
So I had an idea to label the escaping transport and fighters as "Renegade one" before the lady in the command center says "stand by ion control" label the escape attempt via comms back to the command center something like
"Renegade one on approach"
"stand By ion control"
It's a reference to something that never was but I like the sound of "Renegade one" and seems to sum up the escape plan in a cool way using a calsign which was intended at some point in a script but here done via crackling radio sound back to the command center.
But I don't have any strong feelings about this idea only that I think it could perhaps sound good and reference cut material in the process.
ray_afraid said:
Ronster said:
If I was served up a ANH:R HD version I really would not want to see anything changed to much from what it already was...
Reinstating Tarkin just before the DS explosion and 3PO's reaction to his buddy R2 getting blasted are a must for me. I love ANH:R, but those missing/<span>repurposed </span>moments were a bit of a gut punch to me.
I was waiting for this :)
So I put together a sound effects suggestions list of which some are my own and some suggestions other people made. And it has nothing to do with officially listed differences between the special edition and the theatrical cut which you can find here but this is probably inaccurate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_changes_in_Star_Wars_re-releases
1. Make it so storm troopers are no longer mute. There is only one line of Storm trooper dialogue in ESB give them there cool sounding voices back and make it more like ANH and ROTJ
2. When Vader and Veers have a hologram conversation. Add the sound of the Hologram shutting off sound after the conversation ends before "prepare to target the main generator".
3. Add a few Blast hit sounds while Han and Chewie try to fix the hyperdrive during the asteroid chase It would also clarify the difference in sound when they get hit by an Asteroid and when Han says "That was'nt a Laser blast" while keeping continuity that they are still being chased
4. Enhance Dagobah's ambient forest / swamp sound effects there is quite a few quiet moments where it could sound more "Alive" yet only subtle non intrusive and not interfering with dialogue additions.
5. Vaders Light sabre striking the floor when he swings and misses Luke in carbon freezing chamber
6. Special Edition Slave 1 Engine sound effect rather than Theatrical (not on list)
7. In cloud city when Lobot walks up the stairs past Lando and co his head band flashes but there is no activate sound. Before the trap is sprung this sound could be heard again when chewie looks over his shoulder to convey lobot double backed to spring the trap.
8.Add distant sound of tie fighters while luke is hanging under cloud city but not on any scenes with dialogue only when he is looking around.
9. The device leia is trying to turn and lock into place before Han snogs her seems to have the catch the other side of the set wall while the boom mic was in the area with the actors. The noise of the equipment sounds hollow when trying to be locked in suggest to make a more fuller sounding metal hit sound on the attempts to lock it in. And a click when it does lock in to place and Leia hurts her finger.
10. Remove Wampa groan sounds so that Luke wakes up naturally upside down. Sasquatch and yeti are always shown to be quiet creatures and the Wampa is based off of these mysterious probably hoax animals yet the characteristics match when he attacks Luke on the taun taun but once we are in the cave the Wampa cannot stop constantly yelling and wailing for no apparent reason. They are meant to be stealthy in nature but I think the Wampa yelling in pain when hit by a light sabre is a worthy groan sound here and perhaps when he emerges but otherwise think he should be muted to improve the scene.
Not asking for any of these to be implemented but I think this is pretty much all the sound effects suggestions I can remember and think of and handy to perhaps compile. And a fairly reasonable list