Ronster

Interesting development.

I think it would be great if this could get off the ground ASAP a lot can change in a couple of years.

Although I want to be excited at the prospect It really needs to be right now and I mean start it now please... Lol

Well done for dusting this one off anyway.

And well good memories of all the ideas that went into the melting pot in this thread.

I have some unfinished footage and I will post it here today as I have a day off. For what I was planning on the race to the port across the death star surface.It is re-used footage and really rough but I will post it up for prosperity.

It's about time it saw the light of day.

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Ronster said:

on the flip side of this I really like the probe droid score you re-instated with the video you did..

adywan said:
The music in ESB is perfect. It's probably the best soundtrack of ALL the films. There is no logical reason to change any of the music in ESB,

Leadzero please can you make a rough mock up of your idea.

I am openminded....Although i don't think there is anything wrong with the scene so far as music goes.... I would like to see or hear it.

Perhaps your right i have no idea how to make a resin cast and that probably would leave a residue but i assume it could be cleaned off and remove residue entirely?

It is the best i can come up with.... I honestly know nothing about official star wars prop services but they got that from somewhere so perhaps they can put ady in touch with their supplier?

The other thing to perhaps make note of is even though they list it as having one in stock there's nothing to say that they sub hire it in from somewhere else. But if they do own their own one then atleast we know where to find an alternative.

Thanks for the info on how the work is carried out.

Don't know what to suggest so far as the Han in carbonite hands...

Theres a shop not to far from me called Jedi robe

http://www.jedi-robe.com/star_wars_shop_london_uk.html

Don't know it may be worth a try... They may have contacts or prop hire infomation and this may lead you to the Hamd casts you need to get done.

It's a reputable business so they should help or perhaps point you in the right direction if they know where to find a Han in Carbonite full size replica prop.

I found one for hire on this site if it helps

http://www.theme-studio.co.uk/han-solo-carbonite.html

I have a question about the edit...

How do you actually process the film as an edit?

Do you do it on a chapter by chapter basis and string ot all togeyher or smaller sections than this?

I am curious because of the 2 part process of color correction and the visually editing upon the color corrected new source.... Obviously you also don't want to lose quality either by rendering and re-rendering.to add more or make a chsnge.

With the audio being the last pass is this done with all footage strung together or before final assembly of all footage?

I have no doubts about ady can bring fourth a much better Ot overall this is not a concern that i honestly do not have.

But when it comes to the prequals i start to feel anxiety towards what i know is capable and the source material that there is to work with.

Trying to make 3 pretty horrendous prequals good or even amazing feels like a very tall order.... But i can see the potential is there only when making it a cartoon.

If the footage were made to be cartoon then the possibilities really would be limitless without taking anything away from what is kept.

At the moment this is the only way i can see a prequal trilogy being good.... Of all the edits and snippets i have seen of preaual trilogy edits.... It comes nowhere close to what it should have been.

Although some may feel a cartoon prequal would be a relegation i really can not see any other course of action that could possibly allow for extreme changes like in the form of remenants of the source material that will allow for these movies to be overwritten and if you like forgotten.

But if you like the prequals sorry but there really needs to be some huge radically different way of dealing with this that allows for big creative ideas to massively change bothh story and characters and their acting.

Forget about models of ships or lasers the repair needed is so much more complex

Theres no need to get in a flap about it ;)

I can imagine mynochs being perhaps a nice surprise if something could be done to improve them.... I am sure it has been thought about but there is no mention of them what so ever in the change list so it raises my suspicion.

I would be more interested to know if the cave will move to the correct side han points his finger at...because as far as i know this error was spotted here on this thread and nowhere else on the internet.

@brimforge

Yeah i am pleased that the idea was tried out but i would be interested in seeing a version of the ties firing much more sparcely that would not interfere with the music.

I think there is nothing wrong with the idea but ideally we should have only seen a small number of laser blasts like 3 at the begining before the music kicked in.

But as said before the roughly one minute disconnect from them being chased

Interesting that it was added and removed....

Although i would not want to see anything over the top i think the chase feels a bit disjointed in the the middle and especially when they first head into the asteroid field.

from like 1:14 to 2:12 in the clip we could do with being reminded that the tie fighters are there still either through sounds (blast hits) and mild shakes when they are trying to fix the hyperdrive or visually through cockpit flashes and or lasers on the swoop manouvre the falcon does.

It's about a minute of disconnect that they are still being chased.

Found that clip you mentioned Oh_riginal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp5zRs9-PF0

And I actually think that it is over the top (I actually like the first edited shot of the ties) but would not mind a toned down version of the this and the others or like the original. Basically to me it's more the part before the chase through the asteroids I think needs the padding and reminding that the tie fighters are still there while fixing the hyperdrive talking in the cockpit and the falcon swooping through.

I think it was removed so as to not interfere with the music and if any lasers were re-added it would have to be done in a way that complimented the music and it's rhythm.

Ok back to empire strikes back...

In the asteroid chase the tie fighters stop firing at the falcon for quite a long part of the chase is there any plans to keep the tie fighters shooting and chasing for the duration and not just chasing? They only start shooting towrds the end of the chase again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTp8mKFxmbg

Also on scenes of the falcon manouvreing laser hits or misses on these scenes?

Perhaps some cockpit shield hit flashes also?

It as if the pursuing tie fighters are forgotten about to introduce the asteroid field and not they are being chased by tie fighters into the asteroid field.

I think it would add more continuity to the chase.

I have had an idea of how to perhaps improve the prequal trilogy.

What if it was cell shaded like a scanner darkly or ralph baski's lord of the rings.

I think this could perhaps lend to it a unique style whilst making the actual footage which is cartoon like an actual cartoon.

It could also make it easirr to change it far more radically while bolstering bad performances in a cartoon setting.

I think this could go in it's favour

No Anakin ghost Imo

Are you now or have you ever been?

There is much better unnatural ways to redeem vader that would have more emotional impact i think.

It's sentimental to see anakin/vader become a good guy ghost.

But what if he actually used the dark side to do something with far more impact.

sith force ghosts nah i don't think we see the emperor or maul as ghosts. Vader did not become a jedi all of a sudden. I think there is a better way to handle vaders redemption.

Yeah but he still looks more pale in rotj than in esb.

Whatever works best really for continuity.

Without watching the scene of the chamber where his helmet is put back on theres a good excuse for a pressurised air sound effect or some enhancement to when the helmet is fixed back on to vader.

Without watching it i don't recall any sound effect when the helmet is put back on in the chamber

So does anything happen when we get to page 1138?

Considering we are on page 1137 we'll find out soon enough....

Anyway without getting my hopes up for any media or anything it seems a worthy milestone for perhaps something if only tidbits of info.

And good point mac i am digging your view on Vader unmasked

How about Captain Turnip?

Sorry the special edition score added to the fly through sounds a bit whimsy..

The mock-up I did sounds a bit more foreboding and draws more attention to Leia pacing up and down by the window.

But I think it would be quite easy to make an improvement on this special edition scoring that was added in 2004 DVD or Special Edition Version.

However music is personal taste so I thought I would throw this idea out there that I think the music could be improved on the fly through using this example or other John Williams scoring.

I was watching this clip

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=2315729530479&set=vb.223279371020986&type=3&theater

When we are shown the Cloud city shot the cloud car flying through Cloud city... We can clearly hear the musical score was a special edition addition because of the music the score that is used feels a bit tacked on.

Now some may think the music that was used in this scene is perfect.

I myself feel it was just a piece of music that got used perhaps without cloud city in mind as we are hearing lukes theme while a cloud car flys through cloud city.

I am just wondering if there is any plans to re-score this scene and try to improve the scene using score from the cloud city score or something else.

I think the music in this fly through could be improved that is all. And it sticks out a bit as not up to the same heights much of the other scored visuals get.

I'd be all for keeping the score from the OUT scenes and bridging it with something else on the Cloud city Matte and fly through.

City in the clouds score

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79I7sLihjDw

Perhaps the small harp piece from 1.50

I did a rough mock up

http://www.mediafire.com/watch/qf819hrqlnb7ahz/Fly_through_mock_up.mp4

I think it sounds a bit more foreboding like this but without sounding like this is how I want it to be... I just think that it would not be hard to improve this small music section that is all.

Is there an extended cut out there of the thing using the deleted scenes or some of them?

Not only that but the prequal has some potential scenes to extend the introduction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj_57s-8y9w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEpNqw450Ac

I have not seen the prequal and actually don't want to... But I ran across these and thought hmmmmm....

I would remove the subs though for sure... And only a quick flash of the burnt thing in the ice.

The original deleted scenes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xu2cFljkPw

Although I think the film is fine as it is... It's just conjecture.

For any fans of the thing though this is a must watch
Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SppG-I_Dhxw

Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgRWMbGSUec

Ha :) I never thought about it like that and would obviously put you in a bit of an awkward position....

Well 208 changes still does not come close to actual changes when you break it down shot by shot or frame by frame.

But thanks for the answer that you have given

There is only one section for scene re-arrangement in empire strikes back of any real worth...not counting special edition scenes up for the chop

So I respect that decision

muddyknees2000 said:

Ronster said:

I would be surprised if it all looked exactly the same as all the clips that have been released thus far... 

Changes HAVE been made. Ady's a perfectionist...always tweaking little details.

while that is great and that drive to improve it just a bit more... There is a danger in that so much as you never feel like your truly finished it...

I used to get that when I used to write music... Making a great intro and middle section but never really knowing how to create the end...I'd often end up in a whole other piece of music in the same track sometimes But not always sometimes the end just falls in to place naturally It is a strange thing that with any artisitic or creative process..

DarkRha said:

I really want to see this edit real bad! I know they have said by the end of the year but thats still too long, how about by the end of the month? lol

It's done when it's done... But I would be surprised if it all looked exactly the same as all the clips that have been released thus far... 

some you can no longer see as they have been removed from youtube and where ever else.

I am really excited to see it.... But I don't want to raise expectations any higher than the original film... This way when I watch it I'll treat it like watching the original and just notice the differences and changes as they occur (And with help from the change list too).

I wonder what the final change list will actually be.... I Hope doubleofive presents this one the same as Star wars revisited and well I am a believer in that, that list in the first post is a mere shadow on the actually individual changes so far even.

First post says 208 changes.

What number of changes we on now doubleofive (without joking please) or rough guestimation on your last count?