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#1091813
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Stargate 1994 Roland Emmerich (Fan Edit)
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I wanted to give an update on some progress and decisions and discoveries.

I have taken a break from the “entering the stargate section” as It was giving me a headache so I started looking at other parts in more detail.

Subtitles will be Verdana bold - seems to be a good match for the original subtitles that were used on first release. They are also quite small in size and will be embeded (burnt in)

I took a look at the part where Daniel has to execute his friends Daniel turns shoots at the Aliens instead and they escape with the help of the slaves on Mastages. This part was fairly easy to extend the footage and edit it better whilst also making a few discoveries one in particular quite large.

first off in this part some shots when swapped out have sound mix already done for them so this means I put those in the right place and it was edited late in production and the sound mix not altered. There is possibly a different music cue for this part but it’s too difficult to alter this or at least if there is more music it’s not been released and I don’t have it.

Secondly there is a shot that is absent from the special edition that is in the theatrical version of Ra standing up. This is not mentioned on sites like movie censorship.

This is now the big discovery - once again I had a lot more footage than there is music to match with and with the left over shots I then realised what it was for. There is 2 shots of Daniel and O’neil on the Mastage as they escape. These 2 shots were for the Mastage with passengers being chased by a death glider. So there was another scene after the special edition set at sunset where a Death glider gives chase and they are heading into a sandstorm. This is where the footage of the Death glider exploding goes as it is shot by the Staff weapon from the back of the mastage. They then gallop into the cover of a sandstorm. Now when we look at the footage of the Death gliders attacking Nagada there is a number of shots of death gliders at sunset with the pilots shouting whilst in a mist of sand. These shots were probably meant for this part. They would be shouting I imagine when translated (absent in the movie) “you can’t hide, we’ll get you when the storm is over” or words to that effect. This then leads on to dusk where the pilots are returning and are punished by RA.

^ This however is a bit of a rabbit hole and is probably impossible to pull off. But I would like to confirm the existence of the chase through the desert scene at sunset and hope one day we will get to see it. Also bear in mind it was not a massive scene it was fairly brief like 1 minute to 1 minute and 30 seconds. I don’t have all the shots to make it convincing I don’t think.

Also of note is the shot of the pyramid ship at dusk was meant for this part for the gliders returning as the Bay doors are open for the gliders to fly in. The shots of the Gliders taking off were made repeatable and on the secrets of Stargate CD there is a version that has 4 gliders leaving the pyramid so I also imagine that four gliders were launched.
Just thinking some more about the actual last shot in the special edition the Horus Guard sort of stares in disbelief as they escape perhaps that was at the sight of the impending sandstorm. If I can make it work I will but it’s a big stretch…

Hope fans of the film find these discoveries interesting.

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#1091159
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Stargate 1994 Roland Emmerich (Fan Edit)
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Well Ra being abducted would be restoring original missing effects.

The staff weapons is just putting the beams and putting a yellow glow on the air canons under the sand from special edition.

The space shots at the end will be updated the planet and ship explosion will be updated but will be exactly the same sort of…

That is kind of it more or less visually the rest requires more audio editing to make scenes or extensions / deleted footage work. I am not a visual effects artist but I will try to do simple stuff. The hard part is getting a load of deleted footage working and getting the continuity correct.

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#1091068
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Stargate 1994 Roland Emmerich (Fan Edit)
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RayRogers said:

No chance for just an Extended Edition which would essentially be the longest running time cut without the unneeded George Lucas-esque tinkering?
Guess not.

It won’t be possible to do this edit without some tinkering. I will not be adding any dinosaurs or anything like that. If I do something it will not be in bad taste. That wormhole animation is basically the same thing.

How do I extend the footage using the deleted scenes of the gate opening for the second time without doing some tinkering?

It just won’t work without it… I am going to go for updating some special effects mattes I won’the be touching anything else. I want to have fun and learn something in the process.

I think the animation is a nice update and it is not radically different. Extending the footage is very radical and requires a lot of tinkering and far more work.

Should I add the staff weapon effects missing in the special edition?

Is that tinkering because they put the footage in without bothering to finish the effects?

There’s also a big effect missing for Caveman Ra’s abduction

I got the music sussed for extending entering the gate now but the sound effects need work. I will post a version soon and I think I discovered a music cue in the process. But I have also had to make it work…

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#1090640
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Stargate 1994 Roland Emmerich (Fan Edit)
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Thanks I am working on the extended sequence of entering the stargate right now, the problem I am having is the music the wormhole sequence is a straight swap but getting the rest of the extra footage to work is quite difficult but I am close to cracking the puzzle. It’s possibly the section with the most deleted footage and will probably be the most different from how the original film plays out. I have spent a lot of time spread over 4 days trying to make it work. And I have something that is working 80% but the music and soundmix will need to be rebuilt to work much better.

Interesting that although Stargate’s soundtrack has been released in standard and deluxe editions I can’t seem to find the soundtrack for the probe being sent through the stargate? I have a feeling this track is unreleased? If you can tell me where to find it I would most appreciate it.

The amount of extra footage for this bit is over a minute long but it’s off set with cuts to footage from the original that are meant to go where the probe goes through the gate and when the stargate first opens.

hopefully I will crack it this week.

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#1089524
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Stargate 1994 Roland Emmerich (Fan Edit)
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Basically it won’t go in between because it is not just Teal and Orange but it’s like a pink orange or bright yellow. I can not stand that color filter and it looks awful but perhaps I don’t really know how to get rid of it without it being too cool as you put it but also if you look at the deleted scenes I posted… They don’t look like very warm or red at all and I am trying to copy the way the deleted scenes look from the promo reel because I am pretty sure that is what the film was meant to look like.

The documentary footage and the trailers also reflect this look and not really red or yellow. I can’t get rid of the tint without it looking cooler.

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#1089445
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Stargate 1994 Roland Emmerich (Fan Edit)
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I don’t know anything about authoring and It would be impossible to to do an alternate language track as it will have a few small snippets of extra dialogue in it. Will Probably have to be in English with burnt in subtitles for foreign languages in the film. I am just kinda doing this for fun not looking to make a huge international release.

I would need help with that…

I am still doing the color what do you think?

https://vimeo.com/225118804

Comparison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4vQbzdjQW8

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#1089206
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Stargate 1994 Roland Emmerich (Fan Edit)
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I have found even more deleted scenes in Stargate Sg-1 Season 2 and Season 3!

it’s not much but it is deleted death glider footage cut from the final battle or attack on Nagada. It’s great to find still more footage though that probably add’s up to around 20 seconds.

My thoughts on this edit are in Flux a bit. Part of Me wants to upgrade the effects and Part of me does not. I am now Leaning towards Not upgrading the effects like the wormhole (restore from Pioneer DVD release) but having some shots with improved or new effects and putting FX where they are missing.

The whole wormhole sequence has me scratching my head. On the secrets of Stargate CD-rom there is an Extended wormhole sequence (original animation) but it is running at 20fps with frame drops. Some small missing segments appear in the trailer but I don’t have all of it in good quality. This would potentially restore the music cue for the wormhole sequence.

Been too busy to do anything on it for months but am getting back to this now.

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#1088792
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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Ady Just a quick reminder in case you forgot… In the 2004 DVD menu the Van Ling animated Wampa Puppet with arms approaching the camera when you push Play from Hoth Menu and the Chapter selection Wampa going across the screen.

It’s perhaps another card up your sleeve or a plan C and something to fall back on… I would rather you pulled off your Wampa somehow. Once again Best of Luck.

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#1088708
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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I think it’s great news you are having a go at it! I really hope you somehow get it to work.

I think replacing the wampa glimpse as it walks past the ice formation is probably the easiest.

That approaching shot would be harder but there are options (I think it could be just cut alltogether and removed)

The third shot of old sad eyes is ok but…

One can dream… I wish you the best of luck with it I hope you can pull it off.

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#1088360
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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ray_afraid said:

teharri said:

It baffles me how people are trying to convince Ady to somehow include the Wampa. I think if he thought it were possible to salvage the work he created, he would. Ady, you have done an amazing job and your work will cherished by us all.

Yes. If he doesn’t think what he was able to do is better than what’s already there, why use it?
It doesn’t make any sense to make the scene worse just to make it different.

Ady a long time ago was going to keep the special edition Wampa shot heading toward Luke as he cut’s himself down ( The back of the Wampa walking). So perhaps we are reverting back to the original idea as a plan B. At the end of the day Ady will do something with it. Without coming off as trying to make suggestions but Wampa (Bigfoot / Sasquatch) feet and making footprints now seem like a good idea? Basically we only need worry about what the camera shows us. That is the whole trick of movie making.

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#1088242
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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teharri said:

It baffles me how people are trying to convince Ady to somehow include the Wampa.

Because He has spent years planning and making it. I want it in his edit for him more than anything else. It’s very easy for us to say ok no problem.

He might be pulling our leg though (lol Wampa pulling lukes leg!) but if not… I would hope he can include it for himself somehow.

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#1087780
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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This is a real shame and although I want to believe you are just winding us up I get the feeling you are serious on this.

Sometimes it is better to chuck in the towel as you are putting it. It really is unfortunate that it has been so difficult and the amount of time you put in.

Is there anyway around it like not wearing it and using it as a puppet?

A head with neck and shoulders and an arm are all you really need if you have that you have a veracious Wampa!

I am trying to cheer you on not bog you down you know. There’s always another way, but I don’t wish loads of work on you… But we all know you want to make it work. But I guess you also want to finish, everyone understands that.

Nobody will be upset if you do nothing about it but people will wish you had a go no matter what the outcome.

Take a look at Jaws that did not work until they had nearly finished shooting. What did they do they put a model fin in the Water Until they got it working right at the end. Even the Wampa itself you see very little of it and you don’t need to… But you can get in close even Blurred out of focus like a disoriented POV shot or something tricksy and cunning.

My advice is just Go for it think small and try to get big results… If you really, really want to call it a day nobody will hold it against you.

Edit… One more idea to perhaps try and make this work is to film all actions slowly and speed them up giving it that hyper realistic feel often employed in Monster films. Not sure if that would be a solution but hey I am trying to get you to look another way at it as it does not seem like from what you said 2 more months not an option.

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#1087345
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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TV’s Frink said:

adywan, if you don’t delay the release six months in order to reshoot the entire scene, I’m not going to watch this.

I want to see the first assembly cut of that sequence… I don’t think Ady can help with that would be impossible unless he has managed to break into the Lucusfilm Vaults armed with a crowbar and a flash drive?

I read about Mark Hamil had an injury whilst filming this bit… (not car accident) and it halted filming. Could have been scrapped because of this… The Antenna Breaking that is? It’s a mystery…

And it is the last mystery that I do not have an answer for… But I have 70% the music cue I got stuck in the middle and don’t know the answer.

https://vimeo.com/159469117

ignore the middle part it’s not conclusive but the start is right and the end is right I think apart from I needed to add an extra second or so of Leia using the medical tool thing. Not sure about extra frames in the Gout something else to consider. Basically like I said i don’t have the whole picture.

After thinking a bit about the middle bit and to have a guess. I would say that Luke drops earlier Lando reaches the the top hatch looks about Luke is gone (antenna broke or jumps early and that seems logical) Then we cut to a shot of Tie fighters closing in on cloud city? Then perhaps Lando pulling Luke across the top of the Falcon. But it’s all conjecture and I really don’t have the foggiest on it.

Sans minature Lando and close Cockpit POV of Luke I’ll call them inserts. Basically yeah it’s all guess work.

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#1087146
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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Jonno said:

Yeah, I’ve always thought that scene needed more tension. 6/10 insufficient snapping.

If you watch that part of the film again the antenna thing is wobbling about a lot though when Luke moves… It was missing some sort of close up on the actual antenna thing as an explanation that it was coming loose… Possibly some sparks or fixing coming loose. (possibly why Luke fell when reaching for that closing hatch?)

It’s a fascinating part of the film in how it is quite similar but also pretty different from the comic. I think it might of been one of the last parts worked on because the 70mm has no falcon dish under Luke then the 35mm had the falcon dish composited. It’s a bit of a mash up.

I hope one day we get to see an assembly of this with the music cues restored. Stuff missing caused a massive debate about Luke’s Lightsaber.

Filling in the blanks

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#1087131
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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exitzero said:

There was a debate about Luke’s severed hand falling to Bespin a while back. I have always assumed it was his hand falling. I tweeted Pablo Hidaglo about it and just realized I actually got a reply-

Pablo Hidalgo‏ @pablohidalgo 5 Jul 2016
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I always figured it to be some unrelated trash. His hand and saber fell earlier and prob wouldn’t end up in the same chute.

as Doubleofive said it is part of the antenna thing he lands on. The whole point was that the antenna was unstable and getting close to breaking point.

Luke who was trained by Yoda to use the force upside down doing one armed handstands (because Yoda could see the future and his predicament) taught Luke to get out of this terrible situation.

What you did not see that was in the comic was that instead of Luke falling by his own free will on to the falcon underneath. The Antenna snapped and the Falcon reached him in the nick of time to scoop him up before falling to his death.

Also the falcon was being chased by Tie Fighters lost them with the loop turn thingy through the clouds it does when heading back for Luke and had to be quick because the tie fighters were back in pursuit.

When Vader says “bring my shuttle!” it’s because he is angry that the tie fighters got totally out smarted… Which is why he is made the decision to go after them himself rather than leave it to others.

The point that the antenna was in a dangerous position of snapping with Luke on it was pretty much lost and so was the Falcon being chased and then caught up with again under cloud city. Lost an awful lot of the tension in that part.

Great work on the Wampa!

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#1083429
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EA Battlefront as a source of new footage.
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doubleofive said:

Now if someone could get into the game engine and extract the models they built using scans of the physical models and figure out how to adapt them into a movie 3D rendering program, that’s a different story.

Old News.

I will Pm you a Link.

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#1083128
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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nightstalkerpoet said:

Ronster said:

nightstalkerpoet said:

Ady, are you working in 8 or 10 bit color - and if 10 bit, will you be releasing a 10 bit version?

Although I think 10 bit is an improvement even if it’still an 8 bit source don’t you need a 10 bit source or raw scan to really make a difference?

I think changing to 10 bit depth does do something positive regardless although I don’t know the specifics… I think it just allows a better gradient?

If I recall correctly, Poita has provided Ady with raw 4k 16-bit scans.

Yeah his camera probably captured in 16 bit images. I don’t really understand it but I think you can process stills or video at higher bit rates but still render it out at 8 bits and you still get better gradients improved range and darker shadows and better highlights, because somehow 8 bit = (8 red, 8 green 8 blue) 24 bit true color.

I am stumped by it but it is something like that.

Even if you have an 8 bit source if you process it say color correction at a higher bit depth if will give you a larger grey scale and more colors even if it an 8 bit Video. and then you can render it with better range lessen blown out highlights and stuff then render back to 8 bit. you can’t reverse black crush though because it is gone but better if you have the actual bit depth to begin with.

I think you need special codec or processor and a 10 bit display panel to enjoy 10 bit video? But like I said I don’t completely get it.

Most new TV’s were updated with REC. 2020 to be able to handle better color information anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rec._2020

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#1082991
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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nightstalkerpoet said:

Ady, are you working in 8 or 10 bit color - and if 10 bit, will you be releasing a 10 bit version?

Although I think 10 bit is an improvement even if it’still an 8 bit source don’t you need a 10 bit source or raw scan to really make a difference?

I think changing to 10 bit depth does do something positive regardless although I don’t know the specifics… I think it just allows a better gradient?

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#1082739
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Batman (1989) - Colour Correction Help Needed
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Just looking at it roughly it was full of green and the value was too low most the Color Correction in the bottom or shadow.

If you wanted batman to have the yellow logo looks like you would have to color it in manually.

whoops sorry bluer because he has a purple jacket yeah…

Probably this one is more correct that the other attempts. Shirt should be orange though yeah pretty tough…

It might give you a bit of a pointer anyway. might need a hue shift for the magenta…

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