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#723068
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Plot Hole in The Empire Strikes Back Discovered
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In the radio Drama Leia specifically calls to use the ion canon on the AT-AT walkers but is told by an officer "They cannot target at this angle"

So that's something they did think about.

The Ion canon would have fired several blasts every time a transport left with fighter escourt because Leia tells them that in the briefing.

Although they had to evacuate 2 transports at a time as they knew the battle was not swinging in their favour.

Apparently many transports were actually destroyed, but we never got to see this.

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#723050
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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ray_afraid said:

 I slightly altered your first line, but I don't think I changed your meaning

 lol :)

Something I wanted to give a brief heads up on. In the scene where Han goes to get Leia from the command center in ESB on Hoth there seems to be some radio background sound missing from the special edition that is present in the Gout mix just before cutting to the retreat (next scene).

Is there anywhere a full list of audio differences in the 8mm audio mix?

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#723009
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Something I think ROTJ benefits from is removing the whole Jealousy of Han... Let's face it, Leia frees him from Carbonite tells him she loves him and put's her own life in grave danger to get her man back. Han continuing to question weather or not she still fancies Luke is a drag and diminishes what we have seen previously.

I also re-watched J Davdar Building Empire again recently and thought about the restored dialogue of Leia in the falcon. "we've got to go back" and again "we've got to go Back" said with more authority over riding Lando's excuses about not going back.

"I know where Luke is" although it's an admission and explanation to why she want's to go back. As viewers of the film we don't need that explanation we know she knows where Luke is and I think it once again slightly out of character that although Lando has helped get them out of trouble he now seems only bothered to save his own skin or simply does not think about their freind Luke. So After he rescues Luke from on top of the Falcon then I think the group can accept him more that he is not such a bad guy and was in a awkward predicament and does not just care about himself but does really care about others also. Leia does not know him at all where Chewie and Lando have a bit of History probably why Chewie never killed him out right.

I like Leia Being dominant at the end of the film, I think at adds much more to her this line that she still has not accepted Lando fully.

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#722755
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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@Darth Ender Ha Ha :)

You know me too well.... Funny how all those examples you have given are things I have taken quite a bit of time looking at and wanting to fix or pad out the timing flow better and capitalize on opportunities.

you have practically nailed my dream edit of empire (visually with a few omissions) although I won't talk about the changes exactly.

Perhaps I have a timing affliction :) Think depth, think scope and think a grander scale and being closer to time. It's where I am at that is what burns inside me for this film... I Can't help that.

I think people get pessimistic and put their preservationist hat on sometimes over making changes which could be for the better. But unless we try to explore some of the possibilities we can be none the wiser about how to make any improvement at all. But I will also except that sometimes an idea goes rotten before coming to fruition or simply does not work and is forced and damaging. Where as sometimes things fall in to place naturally.

I never said I hated it did I :)

Perhaps Arnold never needed to jump into the canal on his motorbike in terminator 2 we could have just cut to him riding his motorbike all of a sudden in the canal? we clearly saw him observe the canal that is enough we did not need to see him do that jump did we no... that achieved nothing at all.

Think Space car chase...It's about the build up to it whilst not changing the actual end result. Trying to improve upon the build up is no bad thing.

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#722588
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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BlueCardinal said:

Ronster said:

Going back to the asteroid one last post on this. 

Just rewatched the asteroid field scene. I understand the perspective argument, but we don't have enough information to dissect the physics. You don't know how fast the MF is flying, whether the big one is stationary or moving, the direction or speed at which the smaller ones are moving, etc. We see the MF approaching "one of the big ones" through the cockpit, and then we see just how massive it is in the next shot. That's all we really need to enjoy the scene.

Could it be tweaked? Possibly by having it remain roughly the same size the whole time we see it through the cockpit. I've never had any trouble accepting it as presented, though, especially since it is only on screen for a few seconds before the exterior shot.

 Yes, you have summed up things well with your post here about velocity and so fourth. And this is a slightly grey area. But you see the position of that big asteroid is straight out the window and they are flying at it like a brick wall like they are going to crash into it. And it looks nothing like the next shot.

Then in the next shot they have suddenly turned 90 degrees to fly across it?. And it looks nothing like what they were heading towards.... All of this happens too fast without any plausible passage of time. Basically it's 2  random shots put together and they are at odds with one another. They don't flow into one another.

I can still enjoy the sequence it's not killing things but I sure would like to see it feel more connected and flow better. The team have brought this sequence up quite a few notches and this is one of the problems still remain. Anyway I think it can work better somehow not sure how mind although I have not the skill to do it myself.

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#722513
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Leia only kisses Luke to make Han jealous anyway...

Going back to the asteroid one last post on this.  Whoever on the team does those 2d but 3d scaled animations (layers moving at different speeds) first of all I want to say I think they are brilliant. I wish more films had them.

But I am kind of hoping that this can be fixed with one of those wonderful animations that you do as It seems all the elements are there for it.

But weather you use this technique to do a fix on it or not or choose to leave it as it is in the original film or tackle the issue another way. I wanted to share a couple of thoughts I had about approaching it in a 2D animation sense even if only for sharing thoughts and being inspired by some of these shots that I have seen you do previously.

Basically I was thinking about this 2d asteroid that has been removed from the film and ways of manipulating it whilst keeping the supposed big one also (less Jarring) but moving it about in the frame. But to cut a long story short yes twisting into frame was a thought I had on an anchored corner but also masking the edge inwards short of the actual edge and scrolling / rotating the surface through the mask to appear as though the surface is sliding against perspective but only slightly.

anyway I wanted to share that thought really about masking short of an edge and scrolling through a surface basically It's an interesting new spin (no pun intended.) And that does not mean either that I am asking for this to be done only a thought about 2d animation in general.

In terms of what the "Big" asteroid looks like or at least how I perceive it from what we see of it. To me it's like a remnant of an old planet surface that has been fractured / destroyed / obliterated and the top side that the falcon fly's over is like the once existing surface of a planet that has broken apart where it's underside and sides would be where it broke apart and it was once a part of something much larger.

About editing grammar and passages of time. Yes I agree that it's fair to show someone finishing their cup of tea or coffee and then then next shot they are leaving the door of their house. But that sort of editing grammar does not bode well in action sequences where we are meant to feel "in the moment" It all depends on what type of scene you are editing. In this scenario in a full on action sequence jump cuts are not the sort of thing you would introduce intentionally.

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#722361
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Jonno said:

It's inevitable really - a well-meaning invitation for suggestions opens the floodgates for those who, rather than pointing out actual shortcomings in the vintage visual effects, decide to start second-guessing the genuine craftsmanship of filmmakers at the top of their game.

Fortunately the actual work is in the hands of someone who well understands the difference between the two.

 It's not suggestions nobody is actually making any solid suggestions even myself.

That asteroid on the shot where Han says "I'm going in closer to one of the big ones" first of all. Looks nothing like the surface that they fly over in the next shot secondly if it was as big as the asteroid surface in the next shot it would get bigger a lot slower but also be much larger out the cockpit window.

That is what we are doing pointing out the short comings of the original visual effects. And trying to figure out a way of it to work better. I don't think anyone perhaps apart from the team... but even perhaps including them know what the best way to handle it is or just to leave it alone and do nothing about it.

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#722329
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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No problem Metalmunki...

I started thinking about the way that they handled showing the deathstar as a massive space station...Getting closer and closer over various shots and although that asteroid is not as big as the Deathstar.

perhaps it is missing from this shot if you want to convey it is the big one without writing it off.

But the other issue is that we need to see a smaller object so we can put the "Big One" in perspective. It's missing the much needed external space shot of the falcon approaching something much larger. But that probably is either very difficult or not possible / worth it.

Perhaps the soundtrack can be cut at "closer!" said by C3-PO and an external shot used re-timing the music cue on an external shot but that is a dodgy thing as it may take the sequence too far from what we are used to... but it may also work. My gut says though cannot touch cue alterations in this bit.

I would say that to do it the same as they handled the deathstar shots would require the shot of the "Big one" put in the shot where it is missing (pictured above) and perhaps the 2D (adywan) removed asteroid on the shot where he mentions going in closer etc.

But I will say that if it can be made to work as it should it would be great. here is a quick mock up.

That's using the dodgy 2d asteroid :)

"That's no moon...It's a big asteroid"

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#722134
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Empire Strikes Back Soundtrack Restored and Rescored Demo project
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Meet Lando

http://vimeo.com/103586338

Some restored Music and added the sound effect for the space train as it passes under the landing platform. Tried to extract the sound from the DVD menu this is the best I could do to retain the missing sound effect for the special edition fx shot.

Renegade Squadron

http://vimeo.com/103586290

This is Star Wars remember? It's a team effort the command center is in contact with the pilots right? Yes I remember... So I tried to get the feel of the original film back in to Empire Strikes Back like what we had at Yavin. It's the Hub of operations we hear the pilots over the PA on open channel so I thought I would try to fix that a bit. This is a small audio edit but I think it works to feel like you are still with the pilots even though you are in the command center.

Retreat!!!

http://vimeo.com/103600131

This is a good example of padding out an existing sound mix. I think it came out really well. It's the scene where Han goes to get Leia from the command center but the mix has been padded no more mute background actors and added sound for C3-PO. there is also a bit of audio from the theatrical cut which is not present in the SE on top of elements from the radio drama. I think I nailed this one.

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#721858
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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muddyknees2000 said:


Again, there's NO PROBLEM. Can we please drop this and get back to discussing creative ideas for the edit instead of the FB page?

 Yes... Do Snow speeders use their tow cables to drag transports out of the Hanger?

I have no knowledge of the use of the tow cable apart from to bring down an AT-AT and I had this thought the other day that perhaps the transports needed towing in and out of the Hangers and perhaps were a bit cumbersome. Like domestic aircraft often get towed into Hangers.

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#721836
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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I wanted to say that although I don't think Bingowings meant any harm with what he was saying I do honestly believe he had the best intentions. I don't think he really went about proving his point in the best way possible but It certainly was not a malicous attack.

Without flogging a dead horse here are some tips.

Your About Tab on the facebook.

It needs to better convey what the mission is. This should not only be about the Team but what they are striving to achieve. Why do this project? What is the History? For a new comer it has nothing to offer but an assumption that you already know about the previous revisited project. What is Revisited all about? a personal admission from the man in charge. If you are on a mobile the about tab is the first thing you read.

Quote articles that covered your previous project.

Your Videos on Facebook

So far the last few days will not play anymore for some reason. or at least for me.

Presenting a donation drive

Although the donation drive for the lens is primarily been about the Dagobah and Hanger set miniatures. The Hanger miniature would have generated more interest visually and been more exciting. Capturing peoples imagination a bit better. A bunch of trees although fantastically crafted does not have any showbiz about it. Falcon hanger does...

Fan engagement

You go in too quick for posting up your fixes and working towards the fix. Start with comparisons of shots from the original / SE / let people discuss the changes between the versions. Create awareness about why you are doing what you are doing This way some people will feel more engaged if they knew there was a difference in the first place. Yes honestly some people may never have seen the original films. This way the story unfolds and also is more topical. Make people feel a part of your journey from the start not just where you have popped in solution. Bad news is far more interesting so show harmful changes to the films... and put it up for discussion there. There is an educational element missing that most could / would need where some do not.

Although it all is progressing well, there is always room for improvement. This is what I think can be improved upon with the approach /fan page. The people there will do the rest I would hope.

But it's a constructive criticism overall I think it is good page but not sure why videos won't work for me there?.

It's nothing Majorly wrong let's put it that way. I think you are doing a great job overall.

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#721698
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Bingo stop over complicating the situation.

If you went to a cinema and when the film started the image was a small box in the middle of a large screen. You would complain about the size of the image and not only think it looked crap but that you would want your money back.

The cinema then goes on to explain sorry but we don't have the right lens.

Do you get it or not get it.

There is no way around an issue of this sort apart from the right lens.

Nothing complicated at all. and lens glass is the real sting because it's expensive stuff.

I appreciate you are a good supporter of the project and I don't think your intentions are ill but try to understand the situation a bit better. It's unfortunate but a reality.

And may I add anyone else who does not get it or has stupid fears.. Things like this fill me with more confidence than anything else that it's being done proper.

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#721447
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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This was brought up the last time we saw the asteroid chase. About this asteroid that perhaps meant to be the "Big One".

Is there anyway to make it look as though the fairly large chunk of rock they do a barrel roll to avoid can be shown getting closer than the big round rock?

In terms of perspective you would not see the surface of the "Big One" from the cockpit. or perhaps only a slight hint of it at most.

Is there a possible fix by trying to show the one they do a barrel roll to avoid is the one getting closer?

Or perhaps another way which might be better... Is to show the big round one's height to be much higher out the cockpit window (perhaps no alteration needed?). so it could appear that they fly underneath it. on the next shot a hint of the round one could be shown above the falcon.

or perhaps the dodgy looking 2d asteroid that you quite rightly removed could find a place to fix it better?

That is assuming that you don't have a fix for it yet... If you do then great but I think this could work as they clearly dive down in the shot prior to the ext asteroid field shot. C3-PO falls forward on Chewbacca so they obviously took a dive? or is he just cuddling him?. Damn I think he is just cuddling him but if It could be made to look like a sharp dive by adding a shake or something? And obviously that 2D underside surface of the "Big Round One" would shift off screen upwards pretty fast and get slightly scaled bigger (scaled up) as it goes off screen

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#721282
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Empire Strikes Back Soundtrack Restored and Rescored Demo project
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Thanks for the feedback and It's not something I feel strongly about changing, It's an idea from quite a while back now that I came up with.

What I think it does though is give the cloud car the back seat and Leia the front seat where as in the special edition music it draws more attention to the cloud car flying in front of the window. This music I used I think draws more attention to Leia pacing up and down by the window and stays with her through to her "Somethings Wrong" .

It's no biggie but I thought I would share it. This is a bit different from the rest as it is 100% re-score and no restoration of unused cues. and I think you are right this has now gone a bit flat with this change.

I spent a long time trying to take this back to the orignal cues today and it's not easy to fill the middle. There could be another way though....

With regard to the escape from Echo Base restored music... Something that now watching again to do with video is Vader now the wrong side of "Punch It!"? Perhaps these 2 need switching around the other way in the timeline. Or a better description might be Vader has always been the wrong side of "Punch it!".

Bespin Fly Through Final

http://vimeo.com/103312836

I have tried very hard with this not totally happy with it but I have managed to restore the music from the original whilst having to add lib in the middle. First off the transition is a bad one from "There is another" so I smoothed this out by starting the music a bit sooner to smooth that over. That also meant rebuilding the whole sound mix for the x-wing fly by's but also meant that the music does not line up exactly how it used to but I don't think there is any damage from this. Then I also had to rebuild the sound mix for the cloudcars and fill the gap with music in the middle before finally restoring the music and sound effects from the original when Leia is by the window. The music in the original does much the same as what I was trying to achieve with the re-score. Focus on Leia not on cloudcars. Anyway this has taken a while so hope this is considered at least a good effort and brings back the original feel of the scene whilst keeping the special edition footage. I am starting to nod this though compared to the special edition version.

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#721133
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Empire Strikes Back Soundtrack Restored and Rescored Demo project
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A re-do and a rescore...

Escape From Echo Base Final

http://vimeo.com/103070044

Redone this one as It was not correct now it is a lot better and rebuilt the sound mix where neccesary removing the whining falcon sounds and putting a better breath sound for Vader. The clip I used for the missing shot is actually got the falcon the wrong way round but It conveys the period of time that is missing from the sequence. All in all. This needs to be restored to the film without doubt in my mind. Should have been in the special edition.

Bespin Fly Through Rescore

http://vimeo.com/103070504

Rescored using music suggestion. Instead of the music that was used for the special edition for this scene which is repeated score. I have chosen to repeat another bit of score for when Yoad warns Luke he "Will Be" Afraid. This music not only fits the tone of the scene better but goes as far to suggest this is what yoda could see coming when he warned Luke to Be afraid. I think it works and improves the tone and gives a bit more substance to a scene which otherwise Is just special effects shots. Only Just noticed that the sound of the door opening is late and has bad timing so that needs fixing too. But I am not going to bother at this point. That is a film error not my error.

Once again anyone who drops by to listen and watch hope you enjoy them and feel free to comment on these or anything else I have done.... Only a few more to go. Including a re-do of the probe droid scene.

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#720979
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Spot the errors: ROTJ!
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Ryan McAvoy said:



Ronster said:

Darth Vader says to Luke in the Light Sabre Duel.

"Obi-Wan has taught you well"

Considering he killed Obi-Wan two films ago films ago and in the previous film already had a fight with Luke where he beat the crap out of him and then he comes out with this line.

Bad script writing that.

Unless you believe Vader is in Contact with Obi-Wan but I don't think that at all but it is a slight possibility but I put it down to error than a hint of Vader talking to Obi-Wan or Obi-wan even showing up to speak with Vader just seems off. no no...


<img src="http://swtor.gamingfeeds.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/5/files/HLIC/3f10d1daf711e3efbd1d7a653ec1548d.gif" width="424" height="374" />

The ROTJ Vader v Luke duel isn't really a LS duel, it's more a battle of wills between Luke and The Emperor. Neither Luke nor Vader ever intend to kill the other. The Emperor has two sticks to beat Luke with, his fathers attacks and the danger to Luke's friends. It's all subtext, watch that scene again.

When Vader says "Obi-Wan has taught you well" he is refering to the way Luke controlled his brewing anger and switched off his lightsaber and didn't let the Emperor provoke him. He is not commenting on Luke's relative skills with a blade. Ben spent almost zero time teaching Luke how to handle a sword but he has talked to him about controlling his fear etc.

This is brilliant writing. This is not an error.


Face palm yourself and read my post again noting to do with light sabre skills it has to do with context.

Even if it is a sarcastic line from Vader it really does nothing but just be a dumb filler line. That is why the duel in Empire is superior because even though it has dialogue atleast they thought about good lines to deliver. Better off just leaving that line out of the conversation.

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#720872
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Spot the errors: ROTJ!
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Darth Vader says to Luke in the Light Sabre Duel.

"Obi-Wan has taught you well"

Considering he killed Obi-Wan two films ago films ago and in the previous film already had a fight with Luke where he beat the crap out of him and then he comes out with this line.

Bad script writing that.

Unless you believe Vader is in Contact with Obi-Wan but I don't think that at all but it is a slight possibility but I put it down to error than a hint of Vader talking to Obi-Wan or Obi-wan even showing up to speak with Vader just seems off. no no...

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#720623
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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I kind of feel a bit bad for bringing this up as Ady has said the Battle of Hoth is finished. And I really don't want to come across as asking for anymore than has already been achieved no doubt. I am sure it will be amazing. But I have been looking into white loss from the original and the Special edition.

Now as small enhancements go this could perhaps be a way of putting back what has been lost color wise that is perhaps not possible to bring back through any means I am aware of. But I am talking about the white from the Flak Blasts only and any surrounding coloration which is faded in the Special edition.

These effects have been damaged although the picture has been enhanced although the cockpits have been over blown in some cases. Anyway I did a small demonstration of what I am trying to get at by restoring the whites. This does not pertain to any remnants of Flak Blast I am only talking about the white levels and aura coloration.

All Bar this shot I feel I managed to restore some of what has been lost in color whilst retaining the "new Look" of the special edition but keeping the white of the GOUT.

This seems to have been totally blown out this shot but the rest are not so bad that I have looked at. Anyway I did this in the form of a PDF as there are too many images to upload on a post so please see the PDF below.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/8fhvo1rv8vcra7d/FLAK+BURST+COMAPRISON.pdf

Now weather this is something that perhaps could be considered an improvement or enhancement and something that you may consider doing to restore better white levels as I have omly used the hand drawn 2D animation from the Gout inserted over the washed out FLAK Bursts IN the Special Edition in there White State. Apart from the first one I altered the Hue and Saturation to match the original Flak Bursts rather than the new Special Edition ones.

Is it something that can be achieved another way or is this the only way? I think it makes an improvement but I will leave it there as I understand if it's now too late to do anything of this sort. Even if it won't take that long? although there are quite a few of them i think some are much more noticeable than others. But I think it improves and restores some of the original look and put's back some of what has been lost.

With something like this although very minor change throughout the film you start to notice it more and more compared with the original whites and the special edition whites and any color loss from their transfer and color changes.

EDIT

Playing with Hue and saturation on some of the original flashes also brings more color to the flashes which possibly is more enhancement to the original effects. In many of the SE flashes the color simply is not there to alter it.

On another note...

This may or may not prove useful as I came across this last week so I thought I better post it here in case it is helpful but not in terms of useable footage but perhaps movement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=NXp_-l_9Z8A#t=759

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#720404
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What Went Wrong/What Can Be Avoided Thread
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DuracellEnergizer said:


I personally prefer to believe Luke took swordfighting lessons in between SW and TESB.


The lightsabre is a physical extension of the force in so much that it is a tool which can be guided easily by the force unlike a laser gun.

The point of the training yoda gives is not swordfighting again this is how the prequals lost their way but about learning to use the force with the lightsabre not about swordfighting at all. learning the force to wield the lightsabre more effectivley.

At least that is what it seems to be about not about swordfighting nah.

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#720228
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Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes
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I have been wanting to highlight this for ages about how some of the light effects got totally ruined so I took the time to rip the Gout just to do this as ever since I first saw the film for a long time in it's original version the memories came flooding back.

FLAK SPLASH

Original

Special Edition

FLAK BURSTS

Original

Special Edition

POV Hyperspace

Original

Special Edition

Falcon Hyperspace Engines

Original

Special Edition

I don't think I need to make a description it's as plain as day. I don't think the colors and vibrancy are even in there any more for these effects. Not sure what process caused this but it was damaging.

Are these 2D animations? did they composite this from the original instead of just using the original footage thus destroying the colors?

Original

Special Edition

This is from your comparisons... Where is the blue ring gone from the Flak burst? Did they re-composite these also? no there treated them as the same as the background and turned up the brightness and took out the magenta. Actually over blowing the image whilst color correcting it a bit. But the space shots are different. They have had purposeful color changes made to them.

One Last one about these Hand painted effects and they seem to have come off far worse than other elements but this one is almost up there with the hyperspace cockpit shot also.

Tie Bomber Original

Tie Bomber Special Edition

Washed out.... this is vs the 2004 SE which compacted the problem even more with these hand painted effects. No more brilliant whites is part of the issue but I am not sure what caused this to happen. I am no master of color correction but I fiddled about trying to get the white back and It's gone.

Is there any changes in the 2006 dvd? because it's not as bad in that I don't think (special edition)

EDIT: it's my transfer of the 2004 SE so it's not quite as bad as these pics but it is still bad compared to the original for the brilliant white loss.on the Hand painted effects

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#719789
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What Went Wrong/What Can Be Avoided Thread
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gizzy2000 said:



darklordoftech said:

Giving Yoda and Palpatine lightsabers and giving Dooku Force Lightning were major no-nos. Yoda and Palpatine shouldn't need lightsabers and Dooku using Force Lightning makes Palpatine's use of it less impressive.


Yes I agree, especially with the lightsabers. Yoda never should've had a lightsaber at all; he didn't even train Luke with a lightsaber and told him not to take the weapons with him in the cave. Giving them lightsabers just dumbed down the characters and gave Lucas an excuse to do more lightsaber fights. Also, on theforce.net a forum poster said he hoped the OUT was never released, and that Disney would go back and replace yoda with CGI, and add a scene where Yoda trains Luke (played by a stand in) and teaches him how to lightsaber fight, not even joking (there's a reason I never looked at theforce.net again).  


Considering Yoda was meant to train Luke how to wield the light sabre better before facing Vader and there is deleted scenes of it and probably more footage than we have been allowed to see. Of all the deleted scenes this is probably the one that should have been included in the special edition. Rather than filming a Wampa and all that.

That is the point of a special edition. Theatrical cut is great but the special edition it never really included much from the time it was made.

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#719653
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Interesting: Abrams joins directors trying to save Kodak
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It won't be too far in the future that you won't be able to even buy or rent DVD's Blu-Rays of movies I fear let alone kill off film.

It feels like a complete removal of any kind of physicality of media on the horizon. Everything will be streamed and downloaded by the user and the device used to make it i.e. video camera streams what you have filmed and downloads it to a PC for editing.

Although it has made the process inexpensive... I hope there will still be a desire for physical media. Like Old Vinyl Records, and that quality will become cherished or they can find an alternative method to physically capture footage again physically but more inexpensively perhaps using different materials.

There is a massive Kodak plant near where I live that shut down, it's now being developed for property. Kodak were not quick enough jumping on to the digital band wagon. They are nearly finished unless they can pull something out of the bag. A lot of jobs were lost and quite bad all round in general.

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#719623
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Empire Strikes Back Soundtrack Restored and Rescored Demo project
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SNowspeeders Take Flight. Luke's Rescue

http://vimeo.com/102392112

So I could not restore the original music the isolated voice track from Removing the soundtrack was not good enough. This is what I settled on.

1.Added faint shivering sounds to Luke when in the Taun Taun from Radio Drama

2. Extended the music prior to the scene transitioning to the next day and held a Black Screen with only music and Sound effects Everything drops out piece by piece and then gradually builds back up again. I think this is the main improvement to the transition. It really gives a lot more time for things to set in, I think it helps make the search a bit more dramatic also as It's not rushing to get on with the rescue. I only did this because this is what the music that plays led me to, in the original film it fades of before there is a natural fade off in the music so it's either not intended to go like this with the footage or it was meant to be a much slower transition like I have interpreted as. Which I think is interesting how it was cut off short to get to the next scene quicker rather than waiting a bit longer.

3. Smoothed the cut between "Hyperspace" and the "Snowspeeders take flight" 

I am Also unsure about this music that comes after in the piece so I have not altered the music in The Bacta Tank this should stay as is on Reflection as I am not sure it is for this part at all.

Hope you folks enjoy it.

The only technique that I can conceive to actually get a full range to zev's voice so as his voice could be isolated would be to record somone doing at least a half decent impersonation of him and say the lines exactly the same. Because "Hyperspace" for the most part is in the lower band of the audio spectrum most of Zev's accent is reatined after the soundtrack is removed so It may be possible to add the impersonation and what's left over from the soundtrack removal to rebuild zev's lines to a fuller sounding voice. The impersonation to restore the bass in his voice and keep what is possible from the original actor. Kind of like a mixture of two voices to create one voice.

Snowspeeders Take Flight Restored

http://vimeo.com/102512839

So this was the one you probably wanted to see.... That music that I did not know what it was for is actually for the BACTA TANK. This is the best effort I could muster to restore the full sequence with the original music. Zev's voice is not good enough I accept that.
Anyway it's been a headache I still think it may be a bit incorrect you will notice where it is :) but it is nearly there now for how it was intended originally. Even just for curiosity it is a fun ride. Funny how I said the Jaws inspired moment ended up being the Bacta Tank after all with Luke in Scuba Gear perhaps John Williams got a bit carried away or Lucus put him up to it. Funny either way. It must of been a bit more of him thrashing about than the cuts we see in the film. The Transition is when we cut to C3-PO and R2 wether that should be reatined could perhaps work?

Escape From Echo Base

http://vimeo.com/102441750

Restored the music from where the Falcon escapes from Echo Base. Found a small cinematic from the SEGA Star Wars Trilogy Arcade Game. I used this for the missing special effects shot in the sequence to restore the cues. Although crude it's interesting to hear the full build up without the cuts. I have to also say that I agree with the cut's when the storm troopers are shot and Leia speaks so I don't think they did any major wrong. But the few seconds that are missing on the FX shots are important bits of the music that should not have been cut especially "Punch it".