xhonzi

WheresBlackhawk said:

Greetings.

Just to chime in on the Tatooine thing...

I was never a fan of Tatooine being in the PT.  It all depends on what lines in Star Wars you want to give your attention to. 

You are focusing on Ben's line about Anakin "should have stayed here," and taking it literally.  What if it's figurative or he was actually quoting Owen?  "Here" meaning WITH his family not necessarily a defined place.  Otherwise, think of Ben's line in ROTJ: "To protect you both from the Emperor, you were hidden from your father when you were born."  With your father's name?  On his home planet? To paraphrase Comicboook Guy from the Simpsons: WORST HIDING PLACE EVER!

And with his real Uncle?  Yeah, I have to say that's a bad idea.  I'm actually very comfortable with no back story for Owen Lars.  Pretty much evertything else he's told Luke about his father is so much cabbage that I don't think any of his other lines should be taken as truth.  He was hiding Luke.  He was trying to convince Luke to stay in hiding.

The idea that Owen had a relationship with Anakin rings false to me.  I think he probably had a relationship with Obi-Wan.  Owen is probably projecting his feelings about Obi-Wan onto Anakin.  He should have stayed here.  Crazy ideas of destiny, etc...  And when Obi-Wan says his bit about damn fool idealistic crusade, again, I think he's projecting his own leaving home- however that affected Owen.

Getting rid of Tatooine gives you two opportunities:

1. To not retread old ground.  According to Luke, If there is a bright center to the galaxy, Tatooine is the planet that is the farthest from it, yet it is in FIVE of the six movies.

2. To create more variety of environments.  I always like that the OT had such a great variety of settings: ANH- dessert and high-tech station.  ESB- snow, jungle and cloud city.  ROTJ- dessert and lush forest.  What new setting can be introduced in NPT?

Its a great big galaxy. Where else can we tell your story?

 And I agree with you here as well.  Except that I think Dagobah is more swamp than jungle, and you forgot the jungle in ANH.

Anywho- count me down for no Tatooine in the PT.  I don't even see a real need for it even at the end of E3.  I think audiences can figure it out just fine.

timdiggerm said:

Actually, that scene's not bad...except for Hayden's flat acting. But otherwise, pretty good. Much better than Artoo & the Jets.

 Artoo & The Jets

~OR~

Sluggo and The Boost?

Promus said:

Thanks for the welcome! :)

Yeah, the timeline thing is tricky, but it apparently didn't really bother people in the past, before AOTC came out. I'm not really on board with the whole "multiple Clone Wars" thing, because the Clone Wars and the rise of the Empire don't have to be the same event, or directly related. I can accept that there was the Clone Wars, which was fought during the waning glory days of the Old Republic, and afterwards came some other stuff that caused the downfall of the Jedi and the establishment of the Empire.

It's all down to how well your ideas are executed, but I think it's a bit of a mistep to ignore the Clone Wars expectation for the PT.  Perhaps you're saying that the Empire will rise sometime "in the gap" and that your version of the PT will still cover the Clone Wars, and not the rise of the Empire... But I infer the reverse from your post.

OR...and I just thought of this now...the Empire COULD rise directly out of the Clone Wars, and the Empire could declare the Jedi as enemies of the state (either publicly or in secret). Now, it would take a long time to kill everyone involved in an order like the Jedi (especially with a lack of "Order 66" nonsense), which would give the Jedi enough time to form their own resistance or underground. Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Anakin's wife would be part of this underground - Anakin being one of the Jedi, of course, and Anakin's wife being a sympathizer. This underground could also be the start of the Rebellion, which would explain why the Rebellion always seemed more "religious" (saying "May the Force be with you" to its pilots, in an era when most people seemed to think the Force was "just a bunch of simple tricks and nonsense"). Eventually, the Empire has been around for a while, the majority of the galaxy doesn't believe in the Force due to the Emperor's influence (he seemed paranoid in ESB about another Force user rising up to destroy him, so if nobody believed in the Force, they wouldn't train themselves in it...which is why I think he wanted people to think the Force was just a myth).

Anakin, for some reason or another, is "seduced" (NOT tricked) by the Dark Side and betrays his fellow Jedi (at around 19 BBY). Obi-Wan goes to take him out himself, in order to stop Anakin from destroying their entire underground, and of course he is only partially successful.

What do you think of that idea? I'd also like to hear yours! :)

 I think non-OT Star Wars suffers from one of two things:

1) A reluctance/inability to get away from the Rebellion/Empire scenario.

2) Something so far from the Rebellion/Empire scenario that it doesn't feel like Star Wars anymore.

I would have to say your idea of proto-Rebellion fighting against an early Empire sounds like it would be treading a too familiar territory.  But that is just my opinion.

rpvee said:

Hm..... why does all the added audio have such a strange echo-tin sound to it?  Shmi's cries, Obi-Wan's howl, Vader's "NO!" all have the same weird sound to them.

Intentional artistic choices.

TheBoost said:

Nien Nunb said:

I do think George and MJ are similar in more ways than one though.

 Because they both ROCKED when they made Captain EO?

That's what I love about you, TheBoost- You're Just Another Part of Me.

Promus said:

 I would have put the Clone Wars as ending much earlier - old EU sources established the Clone Wars ending 35 years before ANH - plenty of time for the Jedi to fall into myth.

1st- welcome to the sub forum.  You sound like you have a good head on your shoulders and it's always fun to see some new ideas.

2nd- on the timeline... I used to fancy a different timeline than what I'm working with now- and it's because it was full of inconsistencies that I just hadn't realized yet.  I wanted my PT to be 30-35 years prior to the OT, not 15-20.  However, I realized that Luke and Leia are no more than 18 in ANH, which means they were conceived (assuming human reproduction) no more than 19 years before ANH.  I assume Anakin sired the twins before turning to the Dark Side...  So this means his turn is within 19 years of ANH.  Depending on how your clone wars story related to Anakin's turn... you may have a math problem on your hands.

One solution that was borne on these boards, I believe, was the "multiple clone wars" thing.  That way, the plural of "war" makes more sense (though this is not required) but it also allows you to create a more epic scope of the wars in general and if you show the last clone war, you can imply whatever you want about the previous ones.

^ I think I've seen those pics before.  Where did they come from?  Or am I just imagining things again?

Well, it's hard to follow that...

Anywho-

We're cancelling Netflix tomorrow (end of the billing period), so it's our last night to binge on Arrested Development and Psych.

We're mid way into season 2 of Arrested Development.  A couple episodes past the funeral, sell the stock episodes.  The last one we watched was the charity auction with Mrs. Stiller.

But I think I learned someting last night- GOB is Jobe's initials?  George O. Bluth, Jr.?  Is Jobe an odd pronunciation of GOB?  Does anyone ever actually call him GOB, or do you just see it in print?  I don't think I had caught on that Jobe's name was really George Jr.

Also- we just saw the "Slow Charlie Brown Walk" Episode.  So weird to see those clips in context.

xhonzi said:

I have a conspiracy theory!

Yeah, that's right.  I'm calling Anchorhead out.  Except that instead of a lion, he used bees.  And instead of bees, he used a sock.

Case closed?

TV's Frink said:

xhonzi said:

2.5/4 balls

As much as I like the variety of x out of y z's ratings, it's nice to see the original 4-ball scale used on occasion.

You can't improve on a classic!

Sucks

Leonardo said:

Lemme guess.. it's round and black and full of liquid stuff, isn't it?

Erm.... no...

What do you know?  DID YOU SEE SOMETHING?

xhonzi said:

TheBoost said:

Personally, I think Revan has been the best EU character in any medium since Thrawn.

Can't wait to learn where he went to.

You just like him because he looks like The Rock.

Oops... 'twas thinking of Bane.

Gaffer Tape said:

Mielr said:

Soooo....you're one of those impossible-to-please fanboys I keep hearing about on other websites! LOL. :-P

I know you're joking, but, geez, isn't it the exact opposite?  Keeping the films as they are and just cleaning them is a lot simpler than recomping everything and "fixing" shit.  So, really, I'm comparatively easy to please.

I know you're not joking, but I can only imagine the image our group would get if something like this was released and we still weren't happy.  I get your logic, and that something that is 90% what you want more than likely means you'll never get 100% of what you want...

But come on, man!  It's 90%!

Gaffer Tape said:

Hmm, it is surprising how tilted towards the other side this thread is compared to the one a few months ago.  So let me help push things back the "right" way. ^_~

Well, I'd say you did it.  ;)

I think a lot of the opinions expressed in the early part of this thread were maybe suppressed by peer-pressure from some of you heavy weights on this subject.

I'll say it again- I'm more concerned with the story than the film itself.  The parts of the SE that offend me are the changes that affect the story.

Though I will concede that I would also like to see something more original for film history sake.

Leonardo said:

I wonder if anyone has the solution to my inquiry in post 535. It's been bugging me for a while.

My go-to answer source for this kind of things says, "Answer uncertain.  Ask again later."

walkingdork said:

If casual users don't notice the obvious changes, you can bet they don't notice less obvious things like color.

Then why would they need BD?  So they can continue to not notice things, but in HD?

I am No. 4- Probably the most original of the "cash in" movies (Eragon, Percy Jackson, etc.)  I always love a story about a hero who is running/hiding and then realizes their destiny/capacity is to fight.  I heard that this book/movie was designed to cash-in on Twilight's success.  I found it much more palatable than that.

2.5/4 balls

Warbler said:

Had something weird happen to me tonight.   I am 37 years old.   The photo in my Avatar was taken some years ago.   I went out to dinner with my parents tonight.   I ordered a drink.   The waitress carded me.     Is there anyone here  that would confuse someone who is 37, with someone who is less than 21?    Would you question that person in my avatar is over 21 years of age? I've aged since that photo!    

 She might have been flirting with you, Warb!  Did you get her number?

TheBoost said:

Pennsylvania Jones said:

xhonzi said:

Am I still incommunicado?

Can I even ask that question without getting in more trouble?

What are the rules here, exactly?  What do I have to do to get back into good graces with the Church of the Boost?

Apparently, do what I did. ;)

Yeah that's it.

If you want back into the Thread's good graces, you need to deliver HIGH PRAISE... real high praise, to a much maligned film. Make the masses reconsider their positions, shout to the heavens.

And I can do that whilst in excommunication?  What can't I do, whilst so shunned?

FremenDar said:

Bought BioShock 2 for PC the other day from Best Buy for $5.38. Unfortunately unlike the previous game it doesn't support XBOX 360 for PC controllers so I made an XPadder profile for it. BioShock Infinite looks quite enthralling and the 15 minute demo video of it is remarkably outstanding.

Because of this I have re-installed both System Shock 1 & 2. 2 has texture and mesh packs around but for 1, best to use DOSBox.

 The latest version of SS1 Portable has some nice features.  It is essentially it's own DOSBox kind of thing.

I created what I thought was a killer XPadder profile for SS1... but the "mouse spring" feature wasn't working correctly at that resolution... and I had this odd problem where I was using one of the triggers as a "function key/set changer" to modify the behaviour of some of the other buttons- and sometimes it would get stuck "on" (set 2) and pulling the trigger switched it back to "off" (set 1) instead of the versa.

I do recall hearing that BS2 was kind of a frustrating PC experience.  Hope you still enjoy it.

I think the hardest part is writing/agreeing on a script.

Harmy's Despecialized Edition

Star Wars BDs or a sharp stick in the eye?

And I summed up my thoughts pretty well when I said:

xhonzi said:

We went through this a couple of months ago, but I couldn't find the thread.  As I, and very few others said then, I would be happy enough with that.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/opinions-on-film-restoration-preservation-and-how-it-applies-to-Star-Wars-what-do-you-think-should-should-not-be-allowed/topic/12818/

Ah... here it is.

Interesting that the winds are blowing differently today than they did then.

I asked this thread's OP question here:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/opinions-on-film-restoration-preservation-and-how-it-applies-to-Star-Wars-what-do-you-think-should-should-not-be-allowed/post/498010/#TopicPost498010