xhonzi

IGNORE!

I always thought it was the Force.  Sort of a Neo moment for Vader there.  Like you said Stampede, I think it's supposed to show how unstoppable this guy is.  Sure, Luke can block blaster fire with a lightsabre, but Vader can do it with his hand!

(The script says they're deflected into the walls, BTW)

I can has Backstroke of the West?

Seriously, it is nothing good in big elephant.  I say that and I am for the good!

C3PX said:

C3PX said:

xhonzi said:

In a classic sense, you are confusing "average mean" with "average mode."  Do it again, and I will put you on ignore.  Again.  And don't think I won't do it.

Ah, thank you for explaining. That makes sense now. I will do my best not to repeat this mistake, and I am very grateful to you for having removed me from your ignore list after my previous offenses.

 

Heheh, this is pretty funny Xhonzi. I was just checking who has me on their ignore list for kicks, and discovered Darth Lars put me on ignore. :D

My misunderstanding of his statment, or my dissing of the precious "canon" (if he happens to be one of those types) must have offended him. Glad you didn't ignore me too, or I would have earned a place on two user's ignore list with one post. 

 Wow... I mean...  It's not like you said the "I" word or anything.

TheBoost said:

 The X-Men.

They have a move series, multiple cartoon series, mangas, novels, actionfigures, tabletop games, and even comicbooks, and no one is having apoleptic fits trying to make those all tie in together into a seemless chronology. They don't even try to keep it consistent between properties. 

 X-Men comicbooks?  You're making that up!

We'd better get Ric in here to explain it to you, Frink.

Take it away, Ric!

The force of the vice, or The ForceTM?

The Cartoon Blue Hair Club for Men.

Ric- Do they celebrate Thanksgiving on Naboo?  Or course I know, because I am from Naboo.  But I was curious to your... erm... observations on the subject.

Hmmm... that almost counts.

Yeah, I had forgotten about Riddick.  That's a good example of what I'm looking for.  And I guess along those lines... Hobbit -> LotR.

Tell me what I'm looking at?

Nice ideas cut'n'shut.  Just one comment:

The recent emergence of the Empire is sort of well established, mostly offscreen but somewhat onscreen as well.  When Tarkin and Vader enter the conference room on the Death Star, Tarkin (I think) says he's just heard that the Emperor has dissolved the senate.  You're certainly able to reimagine it any way you please, but you might have a hard time getting other people to agree with you on that point in particular.

Something, something, something, Dark Side said:

 ...

<snip>

Palpatine is reborn as a bunch of mannequin-clones, The Empire never goes away, there's plenty of angsty villians, and despite the main characters being 70-odd, they still go on their amazing adventures.

Asha said:

 Yeah, at least half of the EU makes for pretty bad fiction (Palpatine clones etc.).

Dark Empire wasn't always well done (especially as it went on in Dark Empire II and Empire's End), but I see the Palpatine clones as one of the best ideas in the EU.  It does seem that I'm quite in the minority there... but George Lucas disagrees with me, so I can't be all wrong.  :)

Please follow me here to have this discussion so we don't clog this forum:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Emperors-New-Clones/topic/11008/

This is my attempt to convince you that the Emperor’s Clones part of the Dark Empire aren’t as bad as you thought.  Even that they are good!

Have you ever watched a movie where the bad guy is supposedly undefeatable (as evidenced by the ending to act 1 and especially the ending to act 2) abd then at the end of the movie, they sort of just take him out?  This is one of my biggest pet peaves in a movie: when they stop following their own rules.

I think the Prequels sort of do this on the OT with cloning, but perhaps the problem is really much earlier than that.  George Lucas opened a door in 1977 with the term “Clone Wars.”  Introducing Cloning technology into the fantasy world would have lots of implications unless the technology was uninvented, lost, or somehow made obsolete.  A veritable closing of the door.  But as long as the door is left open, we would expect to see the technology constantly, right?

Certainly, if the technology was still available…  why wouldn’t Palpatine have focused his efforts and power on a way to live forever?  Of course he would.

But then again… that door is still open.  Why isn’t everybody being cloned?  That’s probably where Dark Empire II and III went afoul.  They tried to close the door on cloning, or cloning the Emperor at least.  And that is where they suck.

Did anyone else watch Turtles Forever?  I, erm... watched it with my kids.  It was about all of the many alternate takes on Ninja Turtles crossing over.  It was kind of an interesting Multiverse story.

I realize this thread might go far afield of this question, but if at least someone could please offer an opinion:

The wife and I have been reading Zahn's Thrawn trilogy.  This is her first time and my 3rd or 4th.  We've both been enjoying it (as far as I can tell) and I've toyed with the idea of following it up with Spectre of the Past and Visions of the Future.  And then maybe Survivor's Quest and Outbound Flight.  I've never actually read those last 4, since they were published after I stopped reading EU, thought I did really mean to since they were by Tim Zahn.  I picked up the 3 hour abridgements and found I didn't like them much.  However, the 3 hour abridements of the Thrawn trilogy are also mostly terrible too, so I've decided I can't judge a book by its 3 hour abridgement.

Anyways... here's my real question.  For those that have read both Survivor's Quest and Outbound Flight, which one should we read first.  As I (half)listened to both of them, I noticed that they had nearly the same plot.  In one, Luke was uncovering the events from the past and in the other C'Baoth and the others were living through the events as they occurred.  Survivor's Quest was written/published first... so my inlcination would be to read that one first.

Any thoughts?

C3PX said:

Darth Lars said:

I hate about half the EU and love the rest. There is no middle-ground for me.

 

Pardon my asking, but wouldn't hating half and loving the rest be a middle-ground? Wouldn't hating everything EU be a more "no middle-ground" taking approach to the whole thing?

 

 I take your meaning, C3PX, but on the off-chance that you've actually misunderstood Lord Lars, there- He is saying that he can either love or hate any particular piece of EU, but never middle ground sort of think it's alright.  It's the best, it's the worst, but never it's okay.  Hence: No middle ground.

In a classic sense, you are confusing "average mean" with "average mode."  Do it again, and I will put you on ignore.  Again.  And don't think I won't do it.

Actually- right thread, wrong page.

Excuse the title, but I was trying to make a list of sequels that either follow the story but change genres?  Or the reverse, I guess, would be a spiritual sequel that has no literal connection to the previous one, but carries on the themes and ideas.

The best example I can think of for the first type is Alien -> Aliens.  Alien is your typical horror film with a medium sized cast being picked off one-by-one by the slasher.  Aliens is an action flick with horror elements.  Also of use here would be the Evil Dead --> Army of Darkness movies.  Evil Dead 1 was a fairly straight, if a little quirky, horror flick.  Evil Dead 2 was a reboot with a lot more silly thrown in.  And Army of Darkness was pretty much a comedy first and a horror (?  Mideavil fantasy?) film last.

Can you help me come up with others?

Irregular
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Alien -> Aliens
Evil Dead -> Army of Darkness
Flash Back -> Fade to Black (video game)

Spiritual Sequels
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Final Fantasy Series
System Shock -> BioShock
Blade Runner -> Soldier (screenwriters called it a "Sidequel")

Yeah... go watch Thunderball then come back and see me.

I'd go into my James Bond theory here, but I think we did that just a couple pages ago.

Ooohhh.... Nanner?  Are you the newest member of the real face club?

And, perhaps this went without saying... but there are some good Star Wars EU books out there too.

Uh-oh... here comes Ric Olie.

Happy Thanksgiving, fellow yanks.

That 60 old was in her swinging 30s in 1977.  What's her excuse?