ww12345

Hmmm... "A New Thread for It?" Doesn't really sound very Star-Wars-y...

Play me off, Johnny!

These might be worth looking into...

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=150807829465

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?index=0&sbk=1&nav=SEARCH&itemId=231008459653

Check the date of Milner's crash on the last one...  :)

Very interesting - I'll see if I can scan those frames from my print tomorrow and we can compare what a print looks like vs the video releases.

That might work, actually. I wonder if they are just desaturated or if they are wrong altogether?

Could be - I looked and looked for what release it was, but couldn't find it. Actually, it's not far off from what Disney did with the SB release - frozen backgrounds and edited foreground cels...

I don't remember the exact release of Bambi, but essentially they decided that for a remaster, they would start by scrubbing all of the grain off the image. Then, they decided that looked too flat and unnatural, so they added grain back. Unfortunately, they didn't know quite how to do it, and for whatever reason they only added it to the characters, which made it look like Bambi and Thumper had the worst case of fleas and lice, and like at any moment their fur was going to crawl off of their skeleton. It was, frankly, disgusting. After that, they decided to just scrub the backgrounds and each cel, resulting in the current "Sleeping Beauty"-type mess.

I agree, Peter Pan has had some over-the-top color correction and some details accidentally scrubbed, but overall, compared to Snow White or Sleeping Beauty, the details are quite minor, IMHO.

Edit: Oh, I think I remember what they did on Bambi - they scrubbed the grain off of the background and then did a "freeze frame" on that background cel, keeping that grain stationary. Unfortunately, they didn't scrub the grain off of each of the character cels, which left the weird "crawling fur" or "fleas" sensation to the film.

+1. It would definitely be interesting...

BTW, sorry for the triple post, but did anybody on here win that Fantasia auction? If not, I am going to contact the seller and see if I can get in contact with the winner (long shot, but I'll see)...

Chewtobacca said:

ww12345 said:

Ah, interesting. What's your reasoning behind Cinderella? Not knocking it, just wondering...

I just like it.  That's all.

I'd like to make clear, though, that the list is not in the order that I rate the films as art; it's in the order in which I am interested in preservations, which is not quite the same thing. I can put up with the Sleeping Beauty BD more readily than the Cinderella one, partly because it's still a treat to see it in 2.55:1.  Snow White is at the end because I like it but not as much as the others.  Bambi and Peter Pan are not on the list because I am under the impression that, while their releases have some issues, they did not suffer quite as badly as the others, so I'm not keen to share the costs of prints of those.

OK, point made. I haven't seen the Cinderella BD, to be honest, so I don't know what pros/cons it has. One of the main reasons for my desire for a restoration of Sleeping Beauty is just that - my dissatisfaction with the BD and the reanimation, albeit digital, of the frames.

I agree about Peter Pan and Bambi. Beautiful films, but not only are they not up to par, as far as the storyline is concerned IMHO, but their releases weren't as botched. I guess that is if you don't count the "crawling fur" release of Bambi, which all but cemented the idea (from the point of view of the studios) that film grain in a digital transfer is bad.

nirbateman said:

International Ebay's also have some 35's, I'm trying to use the translated name, it might yield some results.

I'm trying UK, Italy, France and Germany.

Do you know of any more?

Ah, good idea. I don't know of any other international ebay sites, but I think there is a listing on the US ebay home page...

Ah, interesting. What's your reasoning behind Cinderella? Not knocking it, just wondering...

I'll keep monitoring for 35mm prints, particularly release prints, and see what I can come up with.

No, they are all from different sellers; at any one time there are usually one or two Disney titles listed by a couple of different sellers, so this list goes back like 6 months.

Pinocchio would definitely be one I would be interested in sharing cost; I agree that it was really botched on every single release it had, and was the last, IMHO, full "art" movie Disney made (with regard to blending new technology and animation styles). To me, he never was as daring again after the financial loss of Fantasia and Pinocchio, and there was a stretch of fairly tame animated movies before the last hurrah of Sleeping Beauty.

However, with that said, didn't it go an extensive restoration in 1992? If so, it appears that print is from that year, so my guess is it would be a restoration print. I would suggest from a restoration standpoint that an earlier print be sourced, possibly even an original-run print.

The other films I would be interested in would be the films that presented huge technical achievements or were historically significant which were also botched on release. To me, that boils down to four additional films, in order of significance: Sleeping Beauty (definitely digitally re-animated), Snow White (apparently digitally re-animated), Alice in Wonderland (digital recreation of analog effects, like Alice's reflection in the stream), and Fantasia (although this film would be a problem with reissue year, which edit, etc.) Would you be interested in any of those, Chewtobacca?

OK, I've officially been passed on the Fantasia auction... If anyone wants to take over from here, I could help chip in, but other than that I'm out. Here's the link again; auction ends in approx 6hrs.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400516832977

Sounds great! I'm actually looking forward to this, as much as I hate the prequels. My thoughts are with this color correction, and bringing the colors closer to the OT, some really neat fanedits could be made, too. We may find a way to fix the prequels yet!

Thanks for all your hard work! It is really appreciated.

No, that is from a British seller, so it is really 350 GBP! :O

I wouldn't mind sharing the cost of a print, but I just had to have my 35mm projector overhauled, and it cost a very pretty penny, so I'm a bit broke at the moment... Otherwise, I would have been all over those earlier IB Tech auctions. I could see what I could do, though - what print were you thinking of getting?

Sorry for the triple post, but also found these:

Just heard from an old friend by phone this evening. He has no computer or internet access. He is looking to let go of his IB Tech prints of Disney's PINOCCHIO, ALICE IN WONDERLAND and PETER PAN. According to him, these are likely early 70s reissue prints (with PAN likely even earlier - possibly original issue). He tells me that they're practically mint, pulled from circulation early on (so NOT treated) and been vaulted in one of the West Coast archives for decades.

Asking price $750 each (or $2000 for all three).

So here's the deal. If interested in any or all of these, send me an e-mail and I will provide you with his cell # and you can deal with him directly - ask him any extra questions, etc. He will have the prints shipped directly to you from the archive where he currently has them vaulted.

(Peter Pan on hold)

Bambi - LPP Color - some wear - $295.00
The Horse In The Gray Flannel Suit-I.B. Tech. Disney Classic - $195.00

PINOCCHIO Animation Walt Disney classic 1992 £350.00 

Winnie The Pooh and The Honey Tree - 2 reeler - $300.00
Winnie The Pooh and Tigger Too - 2 reeler - $300.00

Also, here are some Disney films I found on a 35mm forum I frequent - let me know if anyone is interested in these and I'll see if they are still available.

Oliver and Company - LPP Disney - $299.00

MARY POPPINS $300 50% COLOR
PETER PAN $750 COLOR
ROBIN HOOD $250 50% COLOR

MENACE ON THE MOUNTAIN Adventure Mitch Vogel, Richard Anderson 1970 £150.00 Walt Disney IB Technicolor

Disney's Hook (1991) - £350
Haven't had the opportunity to view the movie, but still offering the refund option.

SNOW WHITE AND THE 7 DWARFS - LPP COLOR FULL FRAME - BEAUTIFUL ORIGINAL OF THE DISNEY CLASSIC FILM. - $599.00 NOW ON HOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE PRINCE AND THE PAULPER - LPP COLOR MYLAR - MICKEY MOUSE - DONALD DUCK - PLUTO - GOOFY - ALL STAR DISNEY CAST - 1/2 HOUR DISNEY CARTOON FEATURETTE - EXTREMELY HARD TO FIND - $800.00

ROBINHOOD - I.B. TECHNICOLOR DISNEY CLASSIC ANIMATED FEATURE - BRIAN BEDFORD , PHIL HARRIS - $499.99

THE RESCUERS - LPP COLOR FULL FRAME - BEAUTIFUL CLASSIC - $499.00

BAMBI - LPP ORIGINAL PRINT WITH SOME WEAR - $199.00

CINDERELLA - IB TECHNICOLOR ORIGINAL PRINT NICE CONDITION - $599.00

THE GREAT MOUSE DECTECTIVE - LPP COLOR MYLAR DISNEY - $399.00

LADY AND THE TRAMP -RARE I.B. TECH CINEMASCOPE DISNEY - $699.00

SLEEPING BEAUTY - RARE I.B. TECH CINEMASCOPE DISNEY - $699.00

THE JUNGLE BOOK - RARE I.B. TECH DISNEY CLASSIC - $699.00 

101 DALMATIONS - I.B. TECH DISNEY ANIMATED CLASSIC - $699.00


THE SWORD IN THE STONE - I.B. TECH DISNEY CLASSIC - $299.00

ALICE IN WONDERLAND - I.B. TECH DISNEY CLASSIC - $499.00

ARISTOCATS - I.B. TECH DISNEY ANIMATED CLASSIC - $299.00

PETER PAN - LPP COLOR ANIMATED DISNEY CLASSIC - $399.00


SO DEAR TO MY HEART - I.B. TECH DISNEY CLASSIC - $499.00

THE HORSE IN THE GRAY FLANNEL SUIT - I.B. TECH DISNEY CLASSIC - $299.00

I'm fairly sure that the last set of prints I listed is the guy who just sold that whole set, but who knows if it is or if he has listed everything he had. Also, maybe I'll see if I could get the emails of some of the people he sold to, if he is the same guy...

It looks like Cinderella is still available, but I can't find the other films, even in "completed listings." Anybody else have any luck?

It's not paranoia if you are being followed... :)

Well, I'll put in a bid. I don't have a mag reader though, not even on my projector. Anybody here have one? If so, that would be the easiest way to do it, wouldn't it? :)

Also, still plugging away on this project. It's not dead!

Poita, did you win Lady and the Tramp? Also, were you planning on going for the others? Those look like original release prints - probably the closest any of us will get to the original material...

Also, I've checked "Magic and Music," and from my judgement, that will be the full TV show. I have some other "Disneyland" and "Wonderful World of Color" films and the length of those is consistent with what the other reel looks like...

Cool. Here's to hoping I win!

Definitely on that 16mm - I'm going to go for it. Silverwook, could you PM me the link? Thanks!

Ditto - those look like original reels...

I wonder if he would consider lending them in exchange for a digital copy...

That's my guess - anyone here want a copy of Smokey and the Bandit? (one of the other titles he's selling)...