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I have one of those. I never did figure out why that was supposed to be better than pointing it at a screen. Same flicker-effect...

I'd like to throw my support behind this, as well, and state that it is not a replacement, but a supplement. That said, I hope to see everyone over there!

Doctor M said:

...a digital fix of the teleporting raccoon...

ALOL.

AntcuFaalb said:

Molly said:

>mfw

I thought even 16mm didn't resolve well at 1080.

16mm stock is typically shitty. It's often much worse than the stock Derann used for their Super8 prints.

Puggo's 16mm transfers, as much as I love them, are not at all representative of what you can get from a good 16mm print, or even a good Super8 one.

Also, FWIW, it's not Puggo's fault. The problems are inherent to his sources.

FWIW, I have 16mm prints of Snow White (Fuji stock, post '84), Sleeping Beauty (LPP), Dumbo (unknown low-fade stock), Fantasia (awful pink-Eastman, with heavily censored Pastoral), Cinderella (unknown low-fade stock), Robin Hood (Kodak SP), Winnie the Pooh and the Blustery Day (Mylar low-fade), Winnie the Pooh and a Day for Eeyore (Kodak SP), and Winnie the Pooh and Tigger Too (Mylar low-fade).

I'd be happy to lend any of my prints to poita, if anybody felt that these were worth preserving. I don't know what the generations are, though - if they are reductions or originals. Do you suppose that would be evident if I scanned them on an Epson v700 flatbed? That way, people could see edge codes and/or reduction markings?

Awesome! Sounds great!

Ooh - I like that histogram shot. I'll definitely try playing with those numbers once I get the hard drive. Thanks much for doing the work - it would take me ages to get to where you got very simply...

Very impressive! Again, I can't believe the amount of talent we have on this board; that is some pro-level color correcting. Nice work!

This is turning out to be a top-notch project. :)

AntcuFaalb said:

Zip Doodah said:

There will be an offer to the list of an unrestored animated feature soon to help finally defray the cost of transfer- and the original hd file to a few of you folks to work with.

Excellent news! Keep me posted via PM, OK?

Ditto, please. Sounds exciting! :)

I'd be interested to see if you could make some sense out of my color correction software - I know you aren't a colorist, per se, but your input is more valuable than mine as far as that is concerned...

Also, I wouldn't be too concerned fooling around with YCM, as that is what films are geared toward - on the end of 90% of my Tech stuff is a YCM test pattern.

Here's what my specs are:

Darn. That sort of thing isn't available externally, is it?

Ah. I see. Here I was, thinking that you and Poita (plus some others) were on the trail to make an LD source come out 2k, and you crushed my dreams. lol

Oh, I reserve my judgement then. :)

Hahahaha!  :)

I don't mean LD is a bad source, it's just that at a certain point, the material exceeds its usefulness in time or expense - just like it would be foolish to have a 4k scan of an 8mm home movie...

I don't know - LD is not a great source anyway (IMHO, not high resolution enough) so I don't know how many people would be clamoring for an electron scan of all of the Star Wars LDs... I could be wrong, but that's just my guess.

Huh. Installed Resolve lite, but it says it needs a GPU upgrade... Any way to get around this?

@Poita: That looks promising. Maybe I'll go ahead and download the free copy of Davinci you talked about...

@Aluminum Falcon: Yup. I have the whole Hammer Dracula series (only HoD in IB, though...), plus about 10 other Hammer titles... :)

Sorry for the triple post, but it seemed important-ish...

Here's the same frame grab from the BBC broadcast, so I guess that rules out the different coloring, as well as whether that cel was authentic:

Also, here are my color correcting tools - maybe Spaced Ranger can make more sense of them than I can:

A thought came to me - what was the date code on that IB print, Zip Doodah? I wonder if because mine was a later British release, if they could have possibly done some "special edition" type changes or minor fixes, or if there were two different releases of the film? Anybody else think that's a possibility, or is it just too late at night to be thinking about this?

Very, very interesting, Spaced Ranger. Why do you suppose the 35mm had the difference in color in the shirt? That's very peculiar...

As far as the color correction goes, that looks really good. I think that's really close to the 35mm - the saturation is a bit off, but like you, I still think that 35mm is a bit oversaturated.

What does everybody else think?

Not yet. We're picking the HDDs and he will ship them to me as soon as he can. 

Here's part of R1, in SD:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p5he2dgw1ehiuvr/Reel%201.mp4

poita said:

Do you still have the IB print?

I'd love someone to take a look at the film on a lightbox or project it and let us know if the girl at the end of Reel 4 and at the start of Reel 5 have that much colour disparity on the film, or if it is due to different settings when scanned.

+1. I'd be kind of interested to know, as well.

On the other hand, though, I have an IB print of Horror of Dracula, and about every 100-200 feet (I don't remember how many feet exactly) there was a color change, due to the Tech processing. IIRC, they could only process so many feet at a time, so they just did their best to match colors/etc.

@Aluminum Falcon: I know - isn't it great that we are such a film-based preservation site? I think it is really, really cool, that given enough time, most projects on here get a film preservation. Neat, if you ask me... :)

Haha! - no kidding about that green shirt! I thought we'd buried that idea... Oh well, like you said, back to the drawing board...

I think I can do lows, gamma, midtones, and highs in my software, plus some more... Maybe I'll post a screenshot of the color correcting portion to help you figure out the best direction to take.

Also, I'm going to have to get a better way of exporting files. That clip I posted the other day was run through about 7 different programs to get that wrong-framerate clip I posted. I'll see what I can do about exporting to a different file or something.