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CatBus said:

Certainly it’s probably more fair to say that Imperial Officers were on Doctor Who a surprising amount of times, not that all of them were.

Well okay, so it was an exaggeration to say all of them, but a fair amount. I was looking up each credited guy in Star Wars and Empire and it seemed like the majority had a Dr. Who credit. I hadn’t had time to do the Jedi cast yet.
Also I apologize for momentarily derailing the thread into Dr. Who discussion.

While researching this I never realized how many of the Imperial officer actors were on Doctor Who. Like, all of them.

Home Alone (1990)- the original is my favorite; pretty much a perfect movie in my opinion. I like 2, though I view it as a parody of the first in a way
Gremlins (1984)- Absolutely a Christmas movie
Miracle on 34th Street (1947)
Holiday Affair (1949)
Muppet Christmas Carol (1992)
Christmas Vacation (1989)
White Christmas (1954)
It’s a Wonderful Life (1945)
Scrooge (1970)- the musical with Albert Finney
The Christmas That Almost Wasn’t (1966)- Quirky, wonderful 60s weirdness. Not nearly as well-known as it should be.

When Harry Met Sally…(1989)
I didn’t expect it to be this good. Extremely funny and clever script with a lot of heart. Superb performances from Billy Cyrstal and Meg Ryan as well.

I do not believe the original Star Wars movie was made for kids. It’s been stated multiple places it was an “escapism movie.” Just because it’s a fun story does not mean it had to be targeted at children. It was one of those rare movies no one wants to make anymore which was made “for everyone.” Sure there was a lot for kids to like in Star Wars, but the story and characters were interesting enough for it to appeal to adults. (Scenes like Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru’s corpses burning up would not be in a movie made for kids. Also see: Truth serum droid, violent shootings which were censored for SE, bloody severed arm in the cantina, etc.)
This was taken even further with Empire, as the character relationships get more complex, as does the drama. Jedi follows this balance more than most people give it credit for, though the line between the kid stuff and adult stuff is much more pronounced. The ewoks seem so much like kids fare, while the Emperor’s throne room sequences have heavy adult drama. (And actually when you think about it, sure they’re cute, but the ewoks kill a lot of people and even intend to roast the main characters alive. The fact that they’re cute offsets the darkness of them and adds to the bizarreness I feel.)
It was much later that George decided to say he always made the originals for kids. It really wasn’t until Jedi that kids were taken into a grand consideration.

I did actually watch this video (in a sort of political way, to see what "the other side΅ is saying) and it made me sad more than anything else. It was kind of depressing that there are people who really think like this, and it’s even worse that he presents himself as someone who cares about movies and the history of film.

Lexa C said:

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“Chancellor Palpatine, Sith Lords are our speciality.”

I always hated that line because it implies that fighting sith lords is like one of the jedi things that jedi do. Based on the original trilogy alone it seems like Darth Vader only has a lightsaber because he’s a fallen jedi, but the prequels changed that and now I’m rambling…

Anyway yeah I get it’s like a joke, but like most of the “funny” lines in the PT it comes across as cringe-inducing.

super goofy close-up on Obi-Wan

oh I don’t think so

Sideburns of BoShek said:

The whole universe shrinkage thing as the OT progresses. It isn’t just the Luke/Leia/Vader family retcons, but that this paved the way for such a narrow focus in on-screen Star Wars material since.

I think the biggest example of this is that the Endor strike team is led by Han Solo, Princess Leia and Luke Skywalker just kinda because. There really should have been some more scenes (shots at least) of random rebel officers fighting the battle on Endor instead of just the main heroes and the Ewoks. (There is a grand total of ONE shot of just soldiers during the battle in Jedi; as opposed to the many in the battle of Hoth, a scene which actually plays out almost like a gritty war movie, at least the closest it gets to serious ground assault in the trilogy)

“My bones are achin’ Ani! Storm’s comin’!”

Z6PO said:

I think the most complete non special edition of OT’s music on CD is the Star Wars Trilogy longbox. It definitely has Lapti Nek and Ewok Celebration (Yub Nub).

Yes! Turns out this is the set I found only the bonus disc to at a record store. I was excited it had Lapti Nek and Yub Nub, and I knew it said 4 on the spine so it must be part of some set. Thanks for the discogs link.

There was never a full complete movie soundtrack of all the music in the movie with Lapti Nek and Yub Nub, correct? I have the 1997 double cd set with all the music,(which includes the 97 “Victory Celebration” and the dreaded “Jedi Rocks”…ugh) and the bonus disc from the trilogy set for Lapti Nek and Yub Nub. To my knowledge there was never a release to do both, but I figured this would be as good a place as any to clarify that.
Another question: is there any official music release of the music the Max Rebo band plays on the barge?

The only thing I really dislike that I can think of right now is in Jedi, and it’s not even what most people have issues with. (I’m fine with ewoks) I really wish Luke were more angry with Ben when they’re having their talk on Dagobah. He’s like, “you told me Darth Vader murdered my father” but he doesn’t sound very angry, the whole scene is too monotone, the only scene in the originals that reminds me of the prequels. I wish he’d act in a way more akin to how he is on the Falcon at the end of Empire. (when he’s crying, "why didn’t you tell me?)

I’ve only listened to it once, but I had a mostly positive first listen. I’m a huge Beatle fan, but wasn’t alive for original releases, so it’s cool to be able to say I was here for a new Beatle release.

(If you think this is a redundant thread because there are already Beatle threads, I can take it down; I just thought this deserved its own discussion)

I just thought of something. When Luke and friends are on the skiff, and he tells Han, “there’s nothing to see, I used to live here, you know” doesn’t Han know what Tatooine looks like? He’s hung out there before, in the first movie.
I’ve rationalized this to say that sure, he’s been to Mos Eisley, but hot the “middle-of-nowhere” parts like the endless sand dunes where Luke’s home was. (I don’t want there to be an issue with this line exchange because I love it)

Superweapon VII said:

Boba Fett should’ve just never showed up post-TESB.

Or pre-ESB (Clones)

The original trilogy seems to indicate that Ben was only wearing those robes because it was what you wear in the desert; Uncle Owen was too.
I know this has been widely debated if this is dumb or not (I think it is).
Sure, Anakin’s ghost is seen in robes at the end of Jedi but he did live on Tatooine, so that wouldn’t have to mean it’s the jedi outfit.

Does anyone know at what point George decided that the robes would be the Jedi uniforms? I believe there’s some early concept art for Episode I showing the Jedi wearing something resembling what Luke wears in Jedi, but correct me if I’m wrong.

Ah! Frack! Triple post!?

Jedit: double post

Superweapon VII said:

“Set your lightsabers to ‘baseball bat’.”

I know you’re just making a joke here, but that would be really cool if you could put a lightsaber on different settings like a phaser; which would explain why it has different levels of power in different scenes. I love this concept probably more than I should.

I love the idea that being around humans gave Threepio specifically and other droids theories, as it’s totally plausible they would be built like that in order to work more efficiently.
Now the real answer probably is the none of this was really thought about, but since I am a large science fiction fan, I wanted to come up with a true sci-fi explanation.

And IG-88 seemingly was demolished on Cloud City, as you can see him in the incinerator when Chewie finds Threepio’s parts.

Channel72 said:

By the time of ROTJ, it’s been like 3 years since Boba Fett delivered Han. (At least if we ignore supplementary material like Shadows of the Empire.) So the fact that Boba Fett is still hanging around at Jabba’s palace by the time of ROTJ would seem to indicate some kind of permanent employment with Jabba. There’s also that ridiculous scene in the Special Edition of A New Hope where we see Boba Fett as part of Jabba’s entourage. So we can infer from all this that Boba Fett fights Luke on the skiff in ROTJ because his duties include general security or protection for Jabba.

I recall that George Lucas stated somewhere that, when writing ROTJ, Boba Fett was considered basically just a random goon and nothing more. Strangely, the script for ROTJ acts like many events in ESB never happened. For example, Boba Fett doesn’t recognize Lando, and doesn’t seem to have any relationship with Vader anymore.

It’s weird because in the late 1979/early 1980 promotional material for ESB, Boba Fett was always advertised as working for Darth Vader. He was never associated with Jabba the Hutt. And in the 1978 Holiday Special (Boba Fett’s first appearance), Fett is associated with Vader, not Jabba.

But the A New Hope Special Edition scene from 1997 implies Boba Fett worked for Jabba in some capacity well before Vader hired him in ESB. And of course, ESB itself implies Boba Fett works for BOTH Vader and Jabba (and the “No disintegration!” line implies a prior relationship between Fett and Vader). But the earliest 1978/1979 promotional material emphasizes Boba Fett’s connection with Vader. Yet by the time ROTJ came out, Fett’s connection with Vader was essentially forgotten by the script.

Basically, Fett was originally marketed as Darth Vader’s minion, from 1978 thru 1980 when Empire Strikes Back was released. But then in ROTJ, Boba Fett works for Jabba in some semi-permanent capacity, and his relationship with Vader is never acknowledged.

Very interesting stuff there, I did not think about the special edition scene adding Boba Fett to Star Wars, which means that George Lucas wants him to be employed specifically by Jabba. I hate that, and don’t consider it canon, but still interesting to note.

I’ve always taken the “No disintegrations” line just to imply that Boba Fett is notorious for disintegrating his bounties, not any previous relation with Vader, even though the Holiday Special shows one of course. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think anyone actually refers to him as Boba Fett in Empire? Han goes, “Boba Fett, where!?” in Jedi(which then means he knows him, and has a history with him…) but Darth Vader I know says, “He’s all yours, bounty hunter” instead of his name.

I still find it hard to believe there’s 3 years between Empire and Jedi, did it really take that long to rescue Han? But the idea that his relationship with Jabba was strengthened between films is a plausible theory. Another being he just hasn’t been paid yet, and Jabba is making him protect him if he wants to get his payment.

I was just watching Return of the Jedi again this weekend actually, and I was thinking about Boba Fett; mainly, like why does he stay at the palace? Jabba presumably paid him for delivering Han, so why does he stay? Just for the party? Fine, sure, but then when Luke and co. fight back on the skiff he flies down to help Jabba. Why?
Maybe he’s there because of this idea that he was originally gonna play a larger role.
(I was gonna make this "Why Does Boba Fett Stay? thing into a separate thread, but I saw this and it fit in)

LexX said:

3PO in SW is a lot different than in the sequels. Much more sci-fi/robotic and more monotone. Later he became more approachable and human.

That’s an interesting point. Much of his emotion seems to come from past experiences, which would work for a droid. Like “I’ve forgotten how much I hate space travel” would come from having known it hasn’t been pleasant in the past.
However, hanging around humans so much would likely result in him potentially becoming more human, if that’s the way he was programmed. He still keeps a bit of a robotic nature though (In Empire he says Luke is clever “for a human being, that is”) and he really mainly cares about himself(see the whole third act of Empire, when he’s complaining about being on backwards as Han is being frozen alive)