screams in the void

while it’s not a 3 in one , Dark Force Rising by Kerr is my favorite edit of Revenge Of The Sith

yotsuya said:

Well, completely ignoring the PT, I get the following.

Luke. In ANH we find that Vader hunted down the Jedi. Luke’s father died (in ANH there is nothing linking Anakin and Vader). So we can come to the conclusion that the events where the Empire rose were not earlier than Luke’s conception. Anakin knew of Luke’s at least impending birth before he died.

Leia. Kenobi severed her father in the Clone Wars. This doesn’t tie specifically to Leia’s age, but does pin down her father being of the generation of the Clone Wars.

Kenobi. He speaks of the Jedi, before the Empire, before the Dark times. There is no clear link between what he says and the Clone Wars, only that he and Anakin both fought in the Clone Wars. So Kenobi, Anakin, and Leia’s father were all in the clone wars in some capacity.

All of that agrees with the PT.

In TESB we get a more firm timetable of the Empire with Vader being Luke’s father. We do hear Luke thinking Dagobah is very familiar, but we don’t get any reason why. From the context of the film it was most likely a force vision.

In ROTJ we find out that Luke and Leia are twins. This firmly plants the start of the Empire at their birth. Why? Vader did not know Luke had a sister which means he was not present at the birth. So the event that turned Vader and started the Empire happened between conception and birth of the twins.

We still have no indication of when the Clone Wars took place. It could be a month before or a decade before.

From the actors it is also hard to guess. Alec Guiness was was 63 when ANH was released. Sebastian Shaw (true he wasn’t cast yet) was almost 72. Phil Brown was 61 and Shelagh Fraser was 56. So Alec, Phil, and Shelagh were contemporaries and from the dialog in ANH, Sebastian was cast to show how the Dark Side had aged and warped him. Anakin was Kenobi’s student. When you look at the ages in Attack of the Clones, the relative ages of Kenobi, Owen and Beru are not that different, 31, 27, and 18) from the ANH cast (63, 61, 56 about 30 years older). So Anakin was young enough for Kenobi to train (also remember that Yoda said Luke was too old in TESB, so Anakin would be younger than Luke… by a lot). So Sebastian’s advanced age much have had a reason beyond Anakin actually being older than Kenobi.

So from the casting and the dialog just in the OT, the Clone Wars had to have taken place somewhere between 30 and 20 years before ANH. Officially it was 22-19 years before. So all the timings of the PT fit with what we see in the OT, except the age of the actors. But there is also nothing in the movies indicating how long the Clone Wars lasted so adding in another 5 to 10 years of war doesn’t break anything. Also, Ahsoka appears to have grown up considerably more than 3 years, and she is introduced when the Clone Wars are well underway (Anakin was still a Padawn when they started). So the official timeline seems too short and doesn’t really fit with the ages of the actors cast in both the OT and PT.

As a side note, Jimmy Smits was much older than the others in AOTC, but he was contemporary by the time he appeared in Rogue One (he was 61 when it was released).

^ based on the above ,an idea popped in my head …it seems logical to me that Anakin should have been 15 years old at the start of the prequel trilogy . That would have made him fairly substantially younger than Luke at the start of his journey in the OT , without straying into the kiddie territory with Anakin being 9 years old in episode 1 as released . I wonder if Lucas had the thought that making Anakin 15 at the start of the PT would be straying too close to Dune ,what with Paul Atreides being 15 in the first book and being part of a chosen one prophecy in the sense of Paul being a prophecized messiah . Maybe he realized how much he borrowed from Dune in the OT already ( among many other sources ) , looked over at his son who was a toddler at the time , and decided on placing Anakin at 9 years old as a happy medium between 9 and 15 so that it wouldn’t be too on the nose derivative of Dune . Probably a stretch ,but I find it fun to think about . I would still like to have had Anakin start out at 15 in episode one anyway . I vote 30 to 25 years before ANH as the start date of the Empire .

^ agreed .

cool project ! I like the colors on the first cover you posted more ,but I can appreciate the nostalgic vibe you were probably going for with the second iteration . I loved this series when it first came out . I have fond memories of watching it on the official Star Wars website , on a Windows desktop with a CRT monitor . When the series was finished,and both DVDs were released , I enjoyed watching it as a complete movie . This felt more like it captured the feel of Star Wars than any of the live action prequel movies did to me .

dude , it’s great that you want to discuss this topic , it is an interesting question and one that has popped up on these boards over the years …but how many times are you going to post the same basic topic in multiple threads ?

I only have one thing to say about the universe shrinkage …" I WAS IN THE POOL !"

I was having the same problem as others when viewing the edit on the mega link . From what I did see though , I liked how you gave the footage a grind house kind of look to match the deleted scenes . Perhaps you could put it on google drive as well to allow for better streaming ?

spam here and all over the boards by this user …https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Prof-Mama-Khulusum-27732318372-Most-Trusted-Love-spells-that-work-fast-in-USA-/id/110923

I would also love to give this a watch . Looks like a dream edit !

I have really been enjoying this series . It’s not perfect , but closest to a direct movie adaptation we have gotten so far . I wish Disney/LFL would officially adapt the best of the Legends material into animation in the style of the DC animated movies . Those are pretty faithful to the source material , the Legends novels are still in print ,and I don’t think it would be a conflict of interest . Be a great way to appease the fan base .

I’ve been noticing massive amounts of spam across the boards lately , too many to copy and show here . noticing most of it in the late night or early morning hours and a lot of it being for illegal and illicit activities . The mods seem to be on top of it ,but I’ve never seen so much of it . banned member using sock accounts ? If so , they are pretty stupid. I’m guessing it’s just a matter of time before they get tracked somehow and hopefully receive harsh consequences for illegal activities .

Senator Xiono in Ashoka is basically Borsk Feyl’a from the 1991 Heir To The Empire novel .

sounds interesting . Out of curiosity , what are the issues that despecialized and 4k77 have that you think the 2006 GOUT being upscaled to 2k will fix ?

BedeHistory731 said:

screams in the void said:

and sorry if I spoiled the OG Thrawn trilogy for anyone ,but it came out 32-30 years ago , if you haven’t read it by now , that’s on you . And what the heck is wrong with you if you haven’t ? ( meant that kinda tongue in cheek ,with all due respect )

The unabridged audiobooks of the trilogy are also superb, if you’re an audiobook person.

For sure ! They were excellent and Mark Thompson gave a stellar performance. His voicing of the main OT cast was spot on and that’s exactly how I heard Thrawn’s voice in my head when originally reading the books

a lot of spam sandwiches in multiple threads on the boards tonight …what the hell is wrong with these pathetic people ?

and sorry if I spoiled the OG Thrawn trilogy for anyone ,but it came out 32-30 years ago , if you haven’t read it by now , that’s on you . And what the heck is wrong with you if you haven’t ? ( meant that kinda tongue in cheek ,with all due respect )

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NeverarGreat said:

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Sideburns of BoShek said:

vranir said:

I’ve realized that the biggest issue I have with this show is the lack of reason to fear Thrawn. I know him from the books. Some fans know him a bit from Rebels. But in this show we have been given no information or evidence of his clout beyond his rank. Even from Rebels we know that he has with him one Imperial class Star Destroyer - what difference does that make? I’m sure there were plenty after Endor that had to be dealt with.

I’m loving the prospect of seeing a new region of space in Star Wars, and I want to see Thrawn in live action, but the threat just isn’t something I feel.

I agree, I want to see him in action in the remaining episodes, to see him be this feared, impressive tactician and leader, and not simply be told about it. Unless that is what the “wrap-up film” from Filoni is going to be, and this is just laying the groundwork for that? That will will be underwhelming if it does.

Yeah I do agree that’s an issue. It’s the problem with making Ahsoka a direct sequel to Rebels because if you haven’t seen that show Hera and Sabine are completely new, and while the show does an admirable job of trying to introduce them to new viewers it doesn’t quite work. Also because it’s a sequel to Rebels it doesn’t feel the need to show why Thrawn coming back is such a big deal because it assumes you’ve watched Rebels and therefore know why Thrawn is so intimidating. If you haven’t seen Rebels he’s pretty much the main villain of the later half of that show. I haven’t read his original trilogy, but from what I saw of him in Rebels he was a fantastic villain. He doesn’t get defeated due to anything he does wrong, it’s other characters in the Empire who screw up his well-laid plans.

Thrawn in the novels is essentially unstoppable despite working with fairly limited resources, and is only defeated because he is forced to extrapolate from incomplete and inaccurate information.

Thrawn in Rebels has all the resources of the Empire and he and his underlings still manage to lose regularly to a far weaker rebel group. So it’s not really the same character to me.

Maybe I’d have to read the Zahn trilogy to really get this, but I disagree with this. He’s not at all incompetent in Rebels and he doesn’t lose regularly. Pretty much every time he shows up he either lets them escape on purpose, which isn’t him losing, and every time he does fails it’s never because he makes a mistake. I’ll grant you that his underlings manage to lose regularly, but most of them aren’t really his underlings, they’re all technically Governor Pryce’s underlings. I’d say rather than Thrawn being the one to fail, it’s that Thrawn is the only one who ever succeeds even remotely, and when he does fail it’s never really his fault. He only fails to destroy the rebels at their base because of Bendu a being he had absolutely no knowledge of showed up and the only reason why the Rebels are able to free Lothal is because Thrawn is pulled away by the Empire and Governor Pryce is the one who screws up, and she’s not one of his subordinates. Again maybe I haven’t read the Heir to the Empire trilogy so I’ll just take everyone’s word for it that he was so much better there, but just because he was done better in the books doesn’t mean he was done badly in Rebels. I think he was probably one of the best parts of Rebels.

Back to Ahsoka, I do agree that the acting can sometimes be weirdly wooden, but I disagree that that’s actually really been a huge problem since episode 1. I agree that Rosario Dawson seems somewhat stilted, especially when compared to Ashley Eckstein’s vocal performance. Everyone else however doesn’t feel stilted to me. Hera and Sabine, I don’t really have many problems with their performances, sure they’re not as animated as they were in Rebels but they do a decent job at capturing their essence in live action. I also think/hope that the reason why Rosario Dawson’s acting is the way it is is because tonight’s episode is going to be the turning point for her character and they’ll let her express more of a range, because her performance at the end of Episode 4 was really the first time this season that I truly felt like she was Ahsoka

I’ve read the original Thrawn Trilogy multiple times ,and I thought his character as portrayed in Rebels was pretty accurate . Let’s not forget , at the end of Heir To The Empire ,book one of the OG Thrawn Trilogy , Thrawn was defeated in his first major offensive against the Rebels at Sluis Van shipyards and in the final book , The Last Command , Thrawn is slain by his own underling and bodyguard , the Nogrhi Rukh . …as for episode 5 of Ahsoka …I thought it was fantastic from beginning to end and the best episode so far of the show . I also suspect we will see Luke again and that we won’t see much of Thrawn in Ahsoka ,and that they are holding back those characters for the big event movie by Filloni .Plus ,we got the added benifit this episode of seeing the de aging tech further refined and looking its best yet …

Yeah, I’d love to see this project realized. Starchaser is one of my favorite animated films. The movie that ripped off star wars and then star wars ripped it off years later . I suspect George Lucas got the idea for Darth Maul’s getting chopped in half from this movie and thought it was so obscure and forgotten that no one would notice. I have the dvd 2d release of Starchaser and watch it often. Guilty pleasure.

I think it’s great that all of this material is available on YouTube and other places linked to in this thread , but find it sad that the blu ray bonus disc was so sparse in comparison. I bought the Best Buy steel book the day it was released and I felt like the bonus disk contained mostly fluff pieces and sizzle reel like content. The movie deserved a more serious documentary on the disc as well as deleted scenes, storyboards etc

Well , that was an interesting episode of Star Wars The wheel of Game Of Time Of Thrones …

Ah . Oh well, maybe those two troopers killed each other ,fighting for a spot on one of the escape pods while the 2nd Death Star was exploding. Lol . …or maybe one of them survived and knows the truth about Luke and Vader . That would make for an interesting story.

Not sure if this has been brought up before , but I noticed something watching my 1992 letterbox vhs of ROTJ this weekend …in the scene on the landing platform ,right after Luke says , " Then my father is truly dead ." , there are two stormtroopers within earshot of him . When they escort Luke back into the hold of the AT-AT , you can see one of the troopers turn his head and look at Luke ,probably thinking , " Holy Shit , Vader’s son !" I can only think of 2 plausible consequences of this …A. Vader has those troopers killed or B. Luke Jedi mind tricks them to forget the conversation ever took place .

yeah , Outland and Alien would be perfect . Be kind of neat also to weave a bunch of other movies together to create a new star wars story …

JadedSkywalker said:

I really need to get into the older EU. Star Wars in its purest form. The original Marvel comics, Newspaper Strips from Manning, and Williamson. Radio plays by Brian Daley. Novels by Daley and Foster.

the pre west end games, pre Zahn, Pre prequels stuff.

Reading some old magazines with the comic strips and McQuarrie art, love how pulpy it is. I can imagine the SW universe as this vast place. With lots of adventure. Free of the Saga and, free of 40 years of baggage.

^ That old original EU stuff is great ! When I first read through all of the of the original Marvel comics ,especially the ones set between Star Wars and Empire ,it gave more resonance to things implied in the films . An example being the final exchange between Han and Luke in Empire ,just before the battle of Hoth . I really did get the sense that these two had been through a lot together between films . Same with the comics taking place between Empire and Jedi ,which also made the final film of the OT much stronger for me . Same thing when I read the newspaper strips collected by Dark Horse in the 90s

to each their own .