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generalfrevious said:
That's right. And it is more evident in the PT; hence the PT may (sadly) be GL's true vision, more than the original SW.
I was referring to the OT, you smart alec. The PT is not a modern day Iliad because it's a piece of excrement.
generalfrevious said:
That's why SW cannot be the modern day Iliad.
Or maybe because it's a simplistic action/adventure trilogy with relatively unsophisticated dialogue nothing like the kind found in Homer, Shakespeare or Goethe
But some things do. Some do.
Hey, aren't you guys supposed to look for that kind of stuff? :D
I'm actually surprised he didn't take the bait and insult back...
heh :)
I also tossed a personal attack at the guy a few days ago, in another thread, but the awesome moderation here managed to miss that... congrats
Hey, a question to those more versed in technical metal and the like - what do you think, if someone arranged the following piece for, say, guitar(s) and drumset:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uUwxRayWI4
... what that kind off pass off as metal? Just something I thought to myself.
It has the "harsh" percussive character, very little of what you could call "melody", the phrases (which often consist of mere chord progressions) kinda revolve around the root all the time, then there are the "breaks" and crazy time signature changes - I can literally some sort of crazy DB/toms build-up and then the guitar suddenly goes BEEP accompanied by a muted cymbal, at some specific passages ;)
(0:43 or 0:56)
Then at the end when he alludes to Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, it's almost like suddenly the keyboard tuned in with cheesy synth choirs and the song is heading for an "epic" finale... some of the "kinda more sophisticated" metal bands I've seen like to feature some sort of popular melody (like Hall of the Mountain King... which is classical, but has been a popcultural cliché for an eternity) or "classical sounding" chord progression like a quint fall sequence in the middle of their song... or at the end ;)
And then, the unexpected, abrupt ending! So metal :DD
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
twooffour said:
A question about jazz drums, doesn't the whole practising thing they've got going on with all the rudiments and technique, include being able to actually play evenly?That's an interesting question. Yeah, I certainly spent many years drilling those rudiments and how to apply them. Somewhere along the line, you learn to make them flow with the ups and downs of an improviser. The biggest problem I had playing rock was getting my bass drum to sound even. In a jazz group, the bass drum ranges from tiny nudges to explosive bombs, even in the same measure. In rock, the bass drum is so steady it can often just as well be synthesized and played on a pad. I just couldn't make my bass drum sound solid like that - if I didn't concentrate really hard, my bass drum would waver in volume. But a rock bass drum sound would be the fastest way to get yourself run out of a jazz group.
I know Buddy Rich's single strokes sound damn even and controlled ;)Yeah, Buddy was a freak of nature. Saw him several times and still wonder how on earth anyone could achieve that much facility. It's interesting to compare him with someone like Billy Higgins. Buddy could play circles around someone like that, but ask a jazz musician who they'd rather listen to.
Heh, yea, I get what you mean - you notice this kind of thing at the piano, where, at some point you've learned how to play a melody, or a scale "cantabile" and intuitively do crescendos and decrescendos and accents at the "fitting" notes and segments, and you realize you can't actually play the "even sewing machine".
Then again, same happens with tempo - if you get too used to applying rubato everywhere, you might realize one day you can't actually play in time.
But as far as I've heard, classical pianists often need to apply the "sewing machine" both in dynamics and tempo, let alone jazzers - so training that is kinda of necessary anyway ;)
Not sure if I can say I "prefer" Billy Higgins, especially since Buddy did his "quiet, tasty" solos as well.
As far as tasty, catchy, mind-blowing jazz drum solos, I probably prefer the kind of Joe Morello the most.
Quackula said:
Murry Sparkles said:
Quackula said:
Also, what makes a good growl is really hard to pin down, it varies a lot from band to band and listener to listener. It's one of those things that's hard to define, but you know it when you hear a good one (assuming you're into that sort of thing, of course).
Some of my favourite growlers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIXJFRVUdWo&feature=related
No John Tardy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQgCZasm6mU
Also, @none, Hatebeak was hilarious. As far as pure novelty bands go it's great. I remember discovering them a long time ago. There was a similar band that did it with dogs if I remember right.
I've noticed something about these links, though: All of them growl on pitch in relation to the root. Sometimes it's on the 3rd, sometimes on the 5th, sometimes the root itself - the last link slides down from 5th to somewhere around the root; in another example, he begins at the 3rd and then slides down to the lower 5th. The only one I couldn't determine with certainty was the second link - although I kinda have the impression that he growled at the root pitch there... although sometimes I thought it was the major 3rd. Not sure. These examples do suggest, however, that good growling results from a "pleasant" timbre and fitting pitch.
haljordan28 said:
Murry Sparkles said:
haljordan28 said:
As a musican I respect all music. Even those styles I can not stand listening to. With the exception of death metal. That is pure garbage that takes no skill what so ever to play. Always makes me laugh when I start discussing music with some kid who thinks death metal i so difficult to play
Death metal sucks...its easy..punk is decent to listen to but it is always childs play...most rock n roll in general is fairly easy to play. that is why when you go to a bar most bands play the same tired easy songs . stuff like ac/dc stone temple pilots, nirvana..etc..etc and why you never find bands that play styx,yes,ELO,genesis,REO,RUSH,etc,,etc. I am not a big fan of those guys either but their music is complex and not easy by any stretch of the imagination to play.
Does it not take some form of skill to play a guitar nevermind playing at speed?. Speed metal guitarists like Dave Mustaine could teach most pop/ rock bands how to play a guitar at any pace. You also dont have to be a kid to listen to death metal, im 36 and enjoy a good old Napalm Death or a Brutal Truth cd some days. I would also say that bands of yours such as Motley Crue and Whitesnake dont have the most challenging guitar riffs either.
I never claimed motley crue or whitesnake did and as a matter off act they are quite easy. Difficult would be country lead or rockabilly or jazz and flamengo.
It is easy to hide behind a ton of distortion and miss notes and pull off bends that do not even hit the exact note you are looking for. you can get CLOSE with rock and the blues but with country lead you have to be prescice because you are mimicking a pedal steal which is done by mechanics...also the spped at which they play leads going through clean channels and HYBRID picking on top of that..not flat picking wanking like rock guitar..is just a sheer testament to their skills.
Zack Wylde said it best "country lead players are from another planet" truth is they are not. they just put in the time to play like masters and they dont hide behind distortion. they are truly the best of the best
Two fun facts about distortion:
-It is used EVERYWHERE in metal, and in most rock.
-If someone bends to the wrong pitch, or makes a mistake, you can still hear that perfectly well. Unless one's ears aren't trained enough, in which case, too bad.
Apart from maybe the vocals (I don't know much about pitch and timbre control in growling and screaming), everything in metal is as organized as your everyday rock, and is AT LEAST as "complex and difficult".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOQuX7pCiPo
The guitar and drums work is stylized to produce an energetic, dark and aggressive sound - that by no means equates to NOISE. Heck, most of those riffs are either tonal or remotely.
If the harsh and aggressive sound of metal is enough for you to call it "garbage", chances are you aren't gonna like something like this, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNsn7NjDPkM You know, it's easier to hide mistakes in stuff like that, too - at least for the more average listener.
Ah, haven't heard him speak condescendingly about jazz, but yea, saw his "Mack the Knife", and it wasn't much.
A question about jazz drums, doesn't the whole practising thing they've got going on with all the rudiments and technique, include being able to actually play evenly? I know Buddy Rich's single strokes sound damn even and controlled ;)
Then again, HE did play rock charts at times...
WhatsMyName said:
My take on it, is that Anakin wasn't one his mind till after the end of TPM.
He was trying to find ways to overwhelm the Jedi, Invasion of Naboo making it legal. Which this is what i think how he originally intended to be the beginning of the end for the Jedi.
Once Anakin showed up and saw his potential, whether he's heard of the "Prophecy" or not, he knew he'd be a powerful tool for him. I don't think he had a specific plan to turn him. I do think it was his goal.
Well, Palpatine sure was impressed with a kid accidentally blowing up... oh wait, of course... Anakin was guided by the force.
Yea, you know, it could work... I mean, he kinda does imply in ROTS that he was behind the inoculate conception, but only very subtly.
Maybe he did an "Indy Ploy" with Anakin? Like, "hey, Padmé needs excuse protectors, how about I bring Anakin into the scene"? But then he's like "ahhh, hehehehehe". After that, lots of convenient things started happening - I guess Palpatine got pretty lucky.
I don't see anything to back up your Naboo theory. He wanted to invade or control the planet. Next? Nothing in the movies tells anything about it. Apparently, it SOMEHOW contirbutes to the Separatist movement (TF got pissed off and so on), and it gets Palpatine into chancellor position (could've waited a few years for reelection if he could manipulate votes, eh?). What you said is pretty much pulled out of the thin air rip.
@hailjorge
"I am sorry but your entire post just oozes with 'Im a PT fan and OT fans cant see past the surface to understand what they are viewing'"
Wait, you actually took my post as a PT defense? Do you expect me to believe that you were sitting there guiding your thumb through the text like a drooling retard while muttering "hey what that? i dun uderstand what he says... guess he#s defending prequels? duih"???
"and you don't even understand the prequels enough to criticize these huge clusterfucks"
"Lucas took that risk with the PT by making the Emperor's scheme this chessmaster gambit - and fell flat on his face."
Yea, just OOZES with PT apologetics...
"you dont have to look past the surface with these pos films."
Who ever said anything about "looking past the surface"? If anything, you're the one making up shit so suit your points - somehow Anakin is supposed to know that Palpatine once approved of Padme's assassination, and let's not forget your INANE over-interpretation of the cave scene in ESB. Yea... SHAKESPEREAN.
Doesn't take a genius not to wonder why Anakin stay with Palps after helping to kill off Windu - nothing to look past the surface, it is ON The surface.
Basically, it's like this: these films are incredibly stupid, but you're too stupid to criticize them for that.
:: Warned for personal attack - M
"Yeah..to hell with a little thing like COMMON SENSE. Just cause it's a sci-fi movie I guess we need to leave our expectations of good film making at the door."
Common sense? Palpatine knows that Mace will use his "lightsaber block" and what the beams will do to his face. Or he can actually change appearence like any other archetypal double-faced villain, so he lets himself be transformed into monster mash under the guise of the lightning beams causing that.
That's your "common sense" right there. The film doesn't explain it, although in this case, the expression "leaving it ambiguous" probably doesn't fit anywhere as well as "throwing a contrived, unnecessary plot device at the audience and not bothering to elaborate".
I never said that "ambiguity" was any good in the film. But your assertion that "no way could that've been intended by Palpatine" is downright asinine.
Awesome... listen, they're already producing a TV show, okay? The gears are spinning, the wheels are turning, and there's no stopping it, no going back, just as the sun will surely rise again at night.
And Palps melted his own face.
TV's Frink said:
twooffour said:
Mithrandir said:
When did I ever mention the PT in my post?? ;)
Quit being stupid. You just wrote a paragraph or 2 about what "GL loves doing in his stories" and how this will influence the life action series / theoretical 3.5 movie or whatever, and you're wondering where you "brought up the PT"?
More proof you don't understand how ;) is used.
Oh shit... I think I just kinda overlooked it :O
Saw it with the corner of my eye, and thought it was an "angry exclamation mark" or something...
WhatsMyName said:
Who u talking to? Me or him?
And yes, all good points.
And, i don't think we can actually criticize the writing of Sidious do to the fact that he is set up to be a mysterious figure in star wars. We don't know where he came from, what he plans, how he does what he does and how he became a Sith in the first place.
I was debunking his points, so to him obviously ;)
They could've easily made a plot where Sidious plans out the political intrigue in ways that aren't directly shown but are fairly understandable, and then Anakin does something to impress him and he seduces him or whatever... the way they did it, with him POSSIBLY planning EVERYTHING ahead incl. Anakin's birth, him falling in love with Padme on the Naboo trip, the pregnancy threat, and so on, I don't see how that can't be criticized.
When writing a story, choosing certain kinds of narrative forms, or tropes, will always result in heightened difficulty and risk of cheapening the quality.
Including a mysteriously working "higher power" that "guides" the heroes and may step in at critical or trivial moments? Risk - you can use that to excuse any plot hole or questionabl action. Any situation of tension can be questioned by bringing up the lack of the power's intervention.
Over-powered main character, or villain? Self-explanatory. Success = whatever, he's stronger than everyone. Failure or tension = um that feels contrived.
Omniscient chessmaster "behind it all"? It happened because see where it led the story. He knew it all along. Failure? Well, can't calculate EVERYTHING ahead, canya? Stuff happens.
Unreliable narrator? Again, just add a lot of confusion and you can excuse anything that doesn't fit in as lies, or hallucinations. Easy. But the stuff that fits in, that's justified, because see, it was part of the narrator's story!
Lucas took that risk with the PT by making the Emperor's scheme this chessmaster gambit - and fell flat on his face.
Mithrandir said:
When did I ever mention the PT in my post?? ;)
Quit being stupid. You just wrote a paragraph or 2 about what "GL loves doing in his stories" and how this will influence the life action series / theoretical 3.5 movie or whatever, and you're wondering where you "brought up the PT"?
TV's Frink said:
Leonardo said:
also, I don't see a resemblance.
I think we've established twooffour's issues with resemblances.
Don't be too insensitive to Leonardo, okay? I've just retracted my earlier statement, I don't think he looks any similar to the Youtube guy.
Mithrandir said:
haljordan28 said:
WhatsMyName said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
Any ST Lucas would make would suck just as much as - if not more than - the PT, especially since characters from the OT would undoubtedly feature in it and suffer character derailment in the process.
Too late for that. Unless u exclude Harrison Ford.
And as much as i would like to see a VII VIII IX, i don't see how it can be done. if any SW movies should be made, it should be a novel from the Old Republic or something before or during the Clone Wars.
I have always thought an episode between 3 and 4 would be a good idea as there is much that can be shown and their is a back story to take to it.
At the end of episode 3 the death star is under construction. In a new hope no one knows what the death star is as they approach it in the falcon but all the sudden obi-wan knows its a space station. I have always thought the force told him that and I still do but there is a chance he knew because he has seen it and been on it before. Hence vader telling ben on the death star "you should not have COME BACK" as if he had been there before. Vader tells luke that obi-wan once thought as he did when luke tried to turn him back to the good side of the force. That can be bens reason for being on the death star at that time. Going to try and make one last attempt to save his old friend. Not to mention such a film would give us a chance to see costumed vader in saber duels.Which Im all for if it is not the ninja kung fu sword styles we got with the PT. We could get to see vader hunting down what is left of the jedi. they numbered in the thousands. no way order 66 killed them all. Plus qui gon could be in it mentoring obi-wan and training him.
There is much an episode 3.5 could touch on.
Yes, there's enough material to make an episode 3.5 even if it was a fan film, a fan animated film or whatever. The live action series... I think GL won't be doing it about Vader persuing the Jedi; IMO he will do as usual, about "the trooper's pov, and the smugglers pov". Why? Because he loves it. He loves those pov, he not only did it in the clone wars, but he put a greaser as a pseudo-HanSoloish character in Indiana Jones IV, and is making a movie about the pilots in WWII.
He loves this characters that have "fonzie's style", and loves to show the quotidian side of things in his galaxy far far away.
That's not QUITE what he did in the PT, though ;)
I mean, parts of it, maybe... but mostly, nah.
Wait, that's your actual photo??
hey man, sorry about what i said before, ok?
I've watched more than a half of his videos, and find them gut-bustingly hilarious almost with no exception.
And he does look like you :P
Leonardo said:
dude, I have that exact same shirt! and a double chin... I'm also trying to grow a beard... I've deleted many things from my past....
..
AAAAAAAAGHHH!!!!!!
You actually look like Raul from MonkeyAndApple :DD
Just in that one random photo, though...
