twooffour

TV's Frink said:

And here's proof that the auto-tuning was necessary...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7mDdrHS5g0&feature=player_embedded

Just awful.

I've listened to the first half of it, and while I HATE this music and the personality, and the whole performance felt very "lame", in the most literary sense of the word (althogh the recording quality didn't help), she sang pretty much on tune most of the time. Occasional "gliding" and out-of-tune singing at the right time can add character and edge (mostly in terms of "defiant" feel) in better songs and by better artists.

Wanna hear a TRULY shitty singer wannabe? Try Florence Forster Jenkins:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzfQwXEqYaI (not 100% sure if it's the real one - but not bothering with research)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBOuRlgoU2A

:D

PS: The Walken spoof was INGENIOUS :D

German wannabe rapper "Money Boy"... has become somewhat of a cult classic and inside joke, too ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCfm-vWuQRk

What you're saying doesn't really make much sense - quite hard to be alIVE when you're DED, right?

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The Friedberg & Seltzer parodies, e.g. Epic Movie, or what I've seen of them, certainly apply. The gags are so bland and over-the-top, the parodies so random and poor in substance, you just GOT to love these movies :D

The crowning moment must be Wolverine's "middle claw" in Epic Movie - a GAG taken from the original X-Men movie, and made LESS FUNNY than it was there!

If this thread also includes comedy in form of intentional badness, most skits by RedLetterMedia (the Monkey Man Trilogy; the Care Boars; the Grabowskis!) capitalize and DEVOUR this trope. Takes some talent to make every gag as bland as possible, and the sequence of images and "events" so nonsensical and random, while making the viewer jump out from his seat all 5 seconds. Heh :D

The music by "medieval metal" band Manowar goes, too - the music and lyrics are incredibly cheesy, and from what I know, no one really knows whether they're serious or not. But I don't know much about those...

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TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCcZqcPOlNM ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meh#Popularization

meh...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DbwrU3QZsA#t=75

Thanks.

Well, just kinda fits into the general image of Lucas not putting particularly much thought into any of this ;)

That, and his own apprentice, Darth Bro, was responsible!!!

timdiggerm said:

ANH? Luke's father and Darth Vader weren't even the same person.

I was talking about the Emperor. Smart alec.

Hey, doesn't Jorge or someone else "admit" directly in the ANH commentary that, for instance, the Emperor was conceived as a weak marionette of sorts back then? And all that was "pre-planned" was basically just the general story about Anakin falling into the lava or whatever?

I can't find the source in the link, so just a question to throw out there... is the source reliable? Because from the sounds of it, it sounds way too much like some duck a jokester or GL hater could've written.. you know... it's just way too convenient. Might aswell have added "oh and yea, I intentionally created Jar Jar Binks as shitty, and added all the changes in the DVD to annoy the fans, those annoying buggers! But, hey, psss, don't tell anyone, heh? [it's IRONIC, you know, cus now it's OUT THERE, and I didn't want anyone to know! Now I'm pwnd, you got it, GL is PWNNNED!!!]".

... you know... although writing this to the Lost authors, known for constantly making fun of themselves and their show (at least towards the end), isn't beyond reason and logic. But that means... CLEVER DUCK, IS CLEVER!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQHtLDwShmY !!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCcZqcPOlNM ?

Ivan Sauerbäcker.

You say "now" and "then", referring to the 70s - but if we go a bit further, would you say that there is any difference between, say, "Commando" and "Shoot 'Em Up"?

Both are silly and over-the-top, and have psychologically flat characters - but could anyone in their sane mind say that Clive Owen and Paul Giamatti weren't "memorable" in those roles? Boy, they WERE.

Then you got stuff like "Welcome to the Jungle" from a few years ago - basically a "modern" "shoot the bad guys" action schlock movie with hammy villains and badass heroes with sidekicks - old concept. Would you say The Rock was boring, or Seann William Scott were "forgettable"?

The whole film thrived on the witty dialog, ideas and performances. Now I'd bring up Chris Walken, but that guy makes gold out of every piece of shit movie he's in, so he's not that much of an argument, LOL. Generally, lots of bad movies have cool villains so that kidna doesn't count - take Robert Carlyle from Eragon... awful movie, UNFORGETTABLE evil wizard.

Again, we're talking about entertaining action films, so it's not about deep psychological characterization (of which there's hardly any in ANH, and not terribly much in the sequels either), it's about entertaining and memorable main characters.

Is there REALLY that much of a difference between "then" and "now"?

generalfrevious said:

ESB/TORJ made SW the masterpiece it was. It created an even richer world than the first movie (and that's saying a lot). IT might not be Homer, but it still is an irreplaceable fixture in our collective psyche.

Again, not saying those weren't great entertainment movies, it's just this wannabe snobbery that's getting on my nerves.

For some, Metallica is an irreplaceable piece in the puzzle of popular / rock music, or their musical and emotional experience - does anyone even NEED to say something like "it might not be Bach, but"?

Can't really say I consider the first SW movie a "rich world" - to me, it's basically a Flash Gordon movie that's grown up, but not quite. I don't see any psychological or philosophical depth anywhere in that movie - it's a pretty superficial, straightforward and wide-eyed adventure movie.

"Rich" in entertainment factor, basically.

Darth Bizarro said:

There is a simple way past this whole problem.  Just ignore all the continuations and look at Star Wars as a stand alone movie.  Sure, Empire is good, but without the proper finale to live up to it, it all fell kinda flat.  Star Wars has a complete story from beginning to end and the only loose ends that get taken care of in the later movies are loose ends created by the later movies.  The only major loose end left unturned was the fact that Vader was still running around, but Vader was more or less just a big hit man guy in the first film.  Luke hasn't been trained to be a Jedi yet sure, but the full concept of what it even means to be a Jedi isn't really established until Empire.  And as far as the rebellion goes, in theory, the whole conflict could have been over right there at the end since the Death Star was really the only trump card the Empire had up it's sleeve to dismantle the Senate.  Remember that the guy said that is was impossible for the Emperor to maintain control without them, to which Tarken responds that it will be the fear of the Death Star that keeps them in line.  So no Death Star, no fear, no Tarken, no control. 

That's really awesome and all, but if you look at the title of this thread, the one thing that can be derived from your post is that if you take away Episodes V and VI, SW becomes even LESS of an "Iliad".

Those movies had all the "deep", "mature" stuff in Star Wars. The 1977 movie as itself is basically just a space pulp adventure film. A piece of tasteful entertainment both in content and delivery.

TV's Frink said:

As far as I know he just disappeared.

Well, then I'm retroactively baffled. But let's not get into that...

Hm, yea, sounds about in accordance with my impression when reading some of his posts.

Some very well spoken, interesting opinions. Some really stupid stuff inbetween, as well.

I guess what I found pretty annoying to read were the parts where, after the conversation had descended into the bickering territory, he started doing the "communication history analysis" (you know, the "I posted that, and then you said that, and then I responded without insulting, then you insulted me, and now I remember you insulting me and have included a few jabs towards you, but that's only because, and I only intended to... etc." kind), all in that obnoxiously inoffensive and pedantic tone - can't say it was somehow wrong, but it was annoying to read ;)

Maybe despite, or because I like doing something like that myself at times ;)

On a somewhat (well, not really) related note, could anyone give me a crash course on VaderisnotHayden?

Was he banned? Or did he just leave? From reading some of his posts, looks to me like it was just a guy with an opinion (and a correct one at that!), yet from what some people have dropped, I got the impression that he turned out to be a troll of some kind. Or maybe not.

Just curious, what happened there? Did anything happen at all?

So is Janskeet a complete fraud (along with all his mails), or is he a really stupid misfit?

generalfrevious said:

I know that. I just said that the PT reinforced the flaws in the OT, rather than being just odd flukes of awfulness.

Yea, but point is, I don't get why choosing pretentious expressions like "modern day Iliad" could or should be valid at all when applied to SW.

No doubt the newer SW stuff along with the cartoons etc. somewhat sullied the popcultural reputation of "Star Wars", but it was never on par with "high literature" in the first place, esp. the hammy lyric kind.

The first film was a pulp space adventure film on par with Indiana Jones... can't it just stay in that category?