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#887494
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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generalfrevious said:

I saw TFA last night, and I thought it was pretty good. Definitely far better than the prequels, although not as great as the original trilogy. But I like how Abrams took elements from the OT and made them into something new, which to be fair, what what the first Star Wars movie did back in '77.
Bottom line, can’t wait for Episode VIII to come out

The fact that this is your opinion of the film is by far the biggest plot twist of the film. 😛 I’m glad you enjoyed it.

And I agree that Carrie wasn’t really used for much in the film. But I think the need to use her (let’s be honest, JJ didn’t have a choice), was probably a burden on the production. She doesn’t act anymore. She was never given more than a line at a time. There was one line that basically had a jump cut in the middle of it to stitch together the parts she did a bit better. I’m not judging her for this, it’s Star Wars mania and nostalgia that had her back. And I was happy to see her. But there’s no way around the fact that she was a weak link, acting wise. The way that they utilized her was simply damage control.

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#887489
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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Alderaan said:

Yeah I thought he was terrible and I hated all of those scenes. The first part of the film I started liking was when we meet Rey.

Arguably worse though was the First Order general. That was by far the worst acted part in the whole movie. What an awful casting decision.

I thought Domhall Gleeson was fantastic. Underused, a bit. But his excessively fascist speech was dark and great.

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#887487
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Help: looking for... info - Which version?
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Stryker412 said:

I’m looking for the following HD versions if they exist:

  1. Star Wars - The original movie with the exception of starfighter CGI (from the SE) remaining during the Death Star attack.

You’ll have to make this yourself. People who have made semi-specialized versions always seem to include the Tatooine dinosaurs. So much is changed in that film, there would never be a semi consensus, and would just require DIY.

  1. Empire - Original with Bespin CGI and Ian McDiarmid

KK650 says he has a version coming out very soon with Ian’s emperor. I think he also has some of the full Wompa shots in it, though.

  1. Jedi - Original

Harmy’s 2.0 will soon be out.

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#887481
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Harmy's RETURN OF THE JEDI Despecialized Edition HD - V3.1
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n00b said:

Harmy said:

Please report any quality issues you find here.
I would also like to request that if you already reported an issue, that you re-post in that thread. Thanks!

I also suggest that everybody should delete their reports here when they are reposted in the new thread, so you can check if some reports are missing.

What? No. We shouldn’t break the conversations that are recorded here. Editing the post to say that it was added to the QC thread would be a good idea, though.

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#887475
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DESPECIALIZED EDITION <em>QUALITY CONTROL</em> THREAD - REPORT ISSUES HERE
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REPORT-SW-v2.5

0:15:14 The sky around the rotoscoped dewback is a different color than the surrounding sky. Probably varies depending on TV set calibration, but on a decently (not perfectly) calibrated set, it does look like a pink halo around the dewback.

0:16:30 Same as above around the Jawas. Lighter halo of sand around them. Was less noticable on previous DeSp revisions, likely due to different color timing of the 35mm portion.

0:42:31 Speeder 35mm shot. This is the only time I’m going to bring up color in and of itself. But something is very wrong with all the yellow in this shot.

0:43:23 As they exit the speeder: The 35mm on the left looks incredibly different from the BD footage on the right. Especially the sky. Needs to be either better matched or take the entire background from 35mm source and foreground/characters from BD.

REPORT-ESB-v2.0

The only major issues are the blurry unzoomed shots previously mentioned.

1:47:24 There’s a missing piece of junk on the ground. It doesn’t matter.

[Also various credit issues that are no longer relevant]

REPORT-Jedi-v2.0WP

[Luke hologram] SE recomp

[Various Rancor shots] Too dark. Too blue.

0:29:28 35mm sail barge shot. Stationary lens dirt. May not be an easy fix. Not a big deal.

0:30:38 Tramline scratch on Sarlacc close up.

0:36:16 Final Tatooine shot. Much damage. Color. Flicker.

[Obiwan ghost] SE Recomp

1:35:54 (For example) Emperor’s slug covers seem very low res. But whether or not they appear depends on TV contrast. However, they seem like they might bleed over into his face as it moves, and I don’t know enough about these shots to know if that is accurate.

Frame 173821 - Scratch on Anakin’s face.

2:04:45, 2:04:50, 2:04:55 Much gate weave in the fireworks shots.

2:06:28 Final shot, some gate weave.

Credit glitches have been mentioned.

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#887199
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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Great points all around, hydrospanner.

I am not sure that Kylo is that inconsistent, though. What he has in sheer power and connection to the force is not the same as discipline. This is, of course, the Dark Side. What we’re led to believe is an easier and faster path to raw power. And Finn only probably only lasted as long as he did in the saber battle due to Ren being severely injured by a blaster in a moment when he was surely distracted.

I’m also looking forward to VIII. Rian was apparently on set for a good deal of TFA filming and in direct contact with JJ, and even made some suggestions to make his life easier later. I hope he goes nuts with it in his own way, while keeping these characters as human and enjoyable as JJ/Kasden left them off.

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#887166
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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hydrospanner said:

Was anyone else disappointed by the film’s score? None of the music really grabbed me like it did in the previous films.

I thought it was solid enough and better than the average movie score, certainly. The use of old themes was noticeable and appropriate. But nothing struck me as a new classic as was developed for SW77 (and, hell, even TPM and Clones had some incredible new pieces). On the other hand, I’m admittedly not someone who pays much attention to soundtracks. I only bothered to learn (many of) whose theme is whose in the SW films earlier this year.

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#887155
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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You’re right. Someone who was present for all of the Freighter/Falcon stuff was a major leak.

The shot of Maz handing someone (previously presumed Leia) the lightsaber wasn’t in the film, was it? They used a different shot, and it was Rey. Makes sense as I’m sure they were no where near finished with Maz and needed something that obscured her. Still, why show it during ‘my sister has it’?

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#887153
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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DominicCobb said:

If you go in expecting an ANH rehash, as I did, you’ll be pleasantly surprised at how original a lot of the film is, and how fresh and new everything seems.

It’s a lot less of a remake than some are saying. Some of the beats are the same sure, but with so many new characters and environments, having similar beats helped to establish that this is still Star Wars, that while the galaxy turns, the mythos stay the same.

Well said. I respect Lizard’s right to be critical of these issues, but I think he should save some of the judgement until he actually sees how the film comes off in non bullet point form.

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#887152
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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Wazzles said:

Sounds awesome Harmy! Honestly you don’t need to fix a whole lot, SW 2.5 is incredibly faithful to the unaltered. Hell, I wouldn’t mind if the Death Star Battle remained the same, the GOUT upscaling there is wonderful.

I’ll agree with that. Color aside, 2.5 is near flawless once they take off from the Death Star. Tatooine is more in need of fixes. I think Harmy’s rotoscoping has come a long way, and things are now aligned and stabilized extremely well. The color of the 35mm elements is sometimes different, mostly on Tatooine. But whole 35mm shots will rectify that if they are available.

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#887105
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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RU.08 said:

towne32 said:

Are you talking about Kylo Ren? Having him throw a tantrum would have been extremely risky in light of Episode III, were it not for the fact that it was executed fucking fantastically. And his hair isn’t allowed to be long, either? He didn’t have a PT mullet.

Well he’s Han and Leia’s son, so he should remind me of them - not of Anakin!

I think the main thing this film has convinced me is that people on this site love to hate films. Especially Star Wars. That’s not to say there aren’t plenty of valid criticisms. But, I think we do get pretty neurotic about ridiculous things around here at times. Myself included.

Well I remember saying not too long time ago in a thread not too far away, that I like quite a lot of the prequel trilogy content. Not as much as the average TFN member, but certainly more than a lot of other members here. They have their flaws, and they have their good points.

TFA is a good movie in its own right, but, it is at the end of the day just a direct remake of Episode IV - with a few things from V and VI thrown in. I can watch Star Wars and get the same story that I saw watching Episode VII. To me that makes VII pretty redundant and unnecessary. I mean, Death Star III - really? They even compare “Starkiller Base” directly to the Death Star in the movie itself. I thought the “New Order” was going to be more different to the “Galactic Empire”.

Yeah, I didn’t mean to pick on you specifically. Just a general statement about us cranks. No one else gets as upset about silly things like color timing, etc. 😛

As for Driver’s looks. When he was face to face with Han, I actually found myself noticing a surprising, though slight, resemblance. Not to young Han, but to the man on screen.

I was fine with most of the ‘throw backs’. Despite the many parallels, I never felt like I was watching ANH/SW. I liked that a 1000 year old creature had a bar. And I liked the idea of Maz in general. But I think that was slotted into the Cantina part of the story too easily. I would have rather had it be something fresh (the promo pics of Maz’s castle were more promising). And I wish we learned more about her history with Han, while he was alive, to add some weight to her character. Wonder what spinoff media we’ll learn about her cloud city adventure?

I completely agree about Starkiller, though. I think that’s one near-consensus between nearly all the reviewers. As I said in my review ramble, the threat in this story was Kylo against Rey and against potentially Luke. The Starkiller stuff was just background nonsense to get some X-wing shots in. I did like the base’s imperial-esque interior a lot, though.

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#887079
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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RU.08 said:

Actually I do apologise, there is in fact ONE throwback to the prequels in TFA. Is it one of those moments we loved from the prequels? HA! Nope! It’s Anakin’s archaic hairstyle from Episode III and his child-like demeanour from Episode II. It’s exactly what we hated in the prequels!

Are you talking about Kylo Ren? Having him throw a tantrum would have been extremely risky in light of Episode III, were it not for the fact that it was executed fucking fantastically. And his hair isn’t allowed to be long, either? He didn’t have a PT mullet.

I think the main thing this film has convinced me is that people on this site love to hate films. Especially Star Wars. That’s not to say there aren’t plenty of valid criticisms. But, I think we do get pretty neurotic about ridiculous things around here at times. Myself included.

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#886985
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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As far as spoilers go, I’m pretty shocked that the bad Luke shot slipped out. It was probably the single day he was in costume aside from Skellig Michael (sp), with only absolutely required crew present. They likely figured out the culprit, especially as Mark is staring right at them.

He looked great on screen. Wish I had not seen the frumpy picture.

Edit: And thank GOODNESS the opening shot wasn’t the lightsaber. I’m not sure how much I feel about the shot that we got (I didn’t hate it), but the lightsaber rumor came back around these last two weeks after I thought it was done with.

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#886982
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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RU.08 said:
I already read both those points months ago in a “leaked” script overview, that turned out to be surprisingly accurate.

I did read those things (aside from Ben). But I’m glad I avoided leaks that tried to storyboard the whole film and such.

I’m happy to have been somewhat familiar with the sets and scenery, to have it be familiar as I see it all actually executed so well. Perhaps leaks also tapered expectations a bit. I would have been disappointed in Snoke’s look if I hadn’t seen it a few days prior. Same with Luke’s absence.

Still, next time I’m going to go much lighter on the spoilers.

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#886965
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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Not sure if you’re familiar with that user, but he has aspbergers or something. I used to think he was, as you say, but as far as I can tell he’s serious as far as he can tell.

Anyway, my immediate thoughts after arriving home from the theater:

Really enjoyable film, overall. JJ’s work as a director was really phenomenal. He captured a great blend of old and new style film. Of course I never felt like I was watching a film from the 70s, but it had the same kind of earnest vibe through many sections of it, including just about every time Han opened his mouth. On that note, I wasn’t expecting Han on screen, just Harrison Ford, despite how many people said he brought the character back. He really did, and I was impressed. He nailed the humor, the sentiment, the action. All of it.

Carrie? Not so much. But I know she doesn’t act anymore. It turned out better than I expected, and not including her wasn’t an option. But you can just tell that, despite JJ probably loving the fact that he’s working with her, the need to use her is somewhat a burden. Most of her lines are short. I may be wrong, but they seem to have DVNR’ed her face. Wrinkles come and go. That was… kind of a bummer (unless I was looking for something that didn’t happen in reality). There was one shot where only a slight shift in camera happened, making it almost a jump shot, probably to piece together parts of her lines that worked best. I think I’m being overly harsh because she was the only weak link among an incredible crew of actors. It was good to have her back. Her non-verbal acting was pretty good, and her one actual scene with a conversation was functional enough.

Luke. His lacking and Han’s fate were the two things that I definitely had spoiled for me. His appearance itself was pulled off very well. Very nice last shot. I suppose we won’t know what we were possibly missing until the next Episode or two are out. If Harrison had no chance of coming on for VIII, I’m glad he got all the ‘old folks screentime’ on this go.

I was impressed by the new cast. Driver, as everyone has said, completely nailed it. They cast another great unknown with Daisy. Finn pulled off the humor pretty well. I was pleasantly surprised with him, having seen only nonsense shouting bits in the trailers. Unlike Harmy, I think the Maz CGI worked pretty well. I’ll agree for Snoke, though. No, that face couldn’t have been produced easily with conventional effects. But a fractured face could have been pulled off. Even heavily modified video of a real actor. The Snoke effect really didn’t work for me. It could get better or worse when he’s not a hologram.

Harmy also pointed out that the CGI ships were really unpleasant to his eye. I think almost every one of the gratuitous shots was in the trailers. I thought many of the other ones worked well, and that the problems that the fighter battles did have were due to the ‘camera’ work rather than the action itself. Yeah, could have been better for us cranks who are critical of CGI-fests, but I liked 80-90% of the ship battles, and the rest were surely created with the trailers in mind.

The script, as far as the dialogue goes, was stellar. The plot was enjoyable. I agree of course that it’s on the simple side. It did hit a lot of the points of SW/ANH, but it never felt like I was watching a reboot of that film. It was a major concern of mine, as on paper the parallels were starting to feel huge. But it’s the characters and the actors that brought this script to life, not the plot points. Still, could have used something besides Starkiller. I liked the idea of it being able to wipe out the Rebels even without a strong empire. It didn’t need to be floating orb subject to X-wing attack, though. The real threat in the film was new, and it was about Kylo determining Luke’s location. We worried for Luke and Rey, but the Starkiller was just an excuse to get the X-wings airborne. 😦

I’m still processing how I feel about the plot in general. The pacing, the flow, etc. I thoroughly enjoyed many of the points, and I wouldn’t say the overall plot disappointed at all. But I think the missed opportunities to do more will become louder with rewatches. If JJ really wanted that ANH feel, it could certainly have been more self-contained.

I am curious to see what we grumps thought of the color timing. I thought the color looked nice, overall. Most of the exterior shots had natural timing to them. But there was a lot of variety, and I thought it worked. A lot of blue. A few orange shots, but little of the dreaded orange n’ teal. If anything, blue and red was more common. Also: Lens flare was never something that bothered me, but I think zero lens flare would have been the correct amount for JJ on this one.

My ranking as of right now places it above RoTJ. Subject to change.

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#886720
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Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams **NON SPOILER THREAD**
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SilverWook said:

There seems to be no safe place on the internet I can go where some dumbass doesn’t show up and throw out TFA spoilers. @$#@!@$##@#$@$$#%$#$#@##@#@#@##$%^&&^%%$#@#%^&(I(&^%$#@@W$%^&((())()!!!

I installed a chrome plugin called ‘unspoiler’ that is like adblock but for the keywords I chose (basically every SW character name and other key words). And I’ve added OT to the whitelist assuming that no one screws up here.

I still have the reflex of clicking the spoiler thread here, though, sometimes. Have been staying away from it since late last week.

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#886717
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<strong>Despecialized Editions</strong> by Harmy : Index of 'How-To's &amp; Help' Threads | Index of 'General Despecialized Threads' | ‘Where are they? And how do I get them?’ mega-merge thread...
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Right. You can burn RoTJ to a dual layer dvd, and it will play as avchd in a blu-ray player. But I find those discs to be extremely unreliable compared to BD-R.

Tsmuxer will make your blu-ray iso without re-encoding anything. No quality loss.

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#886715
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Info Wanted: If you had to pick the definitive PT fan-edits... which is best?
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Hal 9000 said:

Start playing the edit in your DVD or BR player. Once the certain scenes begin, eject the disc and put in the original. When the sequence is over, put the edit back in.

I mean, it wouldn’t actually be that ridiculous if he was playing via VLC or something. Keep two windows open, cue everything properly before starting, pause and change tabs. I’m sure the yoda fight scene is on youtube or something (I would probably double check any midichlorian scenes on youtube. they’re probably dubbed over for the sake of ridicule).

This really is the only choice for someone who has made it very clear to us a dozen times that he will never edit anything, despite being the #1 requester of things that only he would ever want to watch. I think he actually probably has a good amount of people on his side for the Yoda fight, and I think some edits include that. But he will never, ever find midichlorians in a decent edit. They’re surely one of the driving forces for the creation of this hobby itself. You will generally only find die-hard George apologists that are in favor of the parasites.