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Pheidias78 said:

Hi,

why are the special editions being de-specialised rather than using the original theatrical versions and re-mastering the film for better quality?

The answer will depend on what version you’re suggesting to use.

Surely you’re aware that they’re not officially available in anything resembling ‘quality’.

So the official options are laserdisc and the 2006 bonus DVD. If you look around here, you’ll see attempts to make those things look as good as possible. But there are severe limitations.

The other option is 35mm. There are projects here for that as well. But it’s an enormous amount of work, and the picture quality will still be less than the blu-ray SE. So these projects complement each other rather than replacing.

Daltonkbarrett said:

I’m trying to make a fan edit of “Man Of Steel” where i use the John Williams Score and the Original soundtrack for that movie…the only issue I’ve run into is removing the existing score…does anyone know how to do that? and depending on how difficult it is, willing to do it for me? thanks in advance for any responses.

Not sure if you’re aware of this, but an edit exists with this change: http://fanedit.org/ifdb/79-fanedit-listings/fanfix/1201-man-of-steel-remastered

There are other changes, so you may or may not want to do it yourself anyway. Just wanted to make sure you’re aware of the option.

Hey KK. Any update on your ESB tweak? Quick question: Are you cutting it the way Adywan did? “Young Skywalker”, or using the full 2004+ scene?

I thought the score was competent. Complemented the action well, etc. But no, it certainly wasn’t iconic in the way that IV, V, I, and even II were. Rey’s theme was a good, new, piece, but in general I think it will be as forgettable as III.

I’ve seen the film twice, and still think it works well with the score. But listening to the score alone is mostly a chore, aside from a few great parts. That’s just not the case for SW77 or things like Dual of Fates.

bromeo said:

I am just hoping for some extra scenes. At least “deleted scenes” in bonus materials. To be honest… I could’ve stayed in my seat for 30min longer watching TFA.

My reaction while watching was, “Okay, we’re probably 15% through and they haven’t screwed it up, that’s great… Okay, we’re 30%, 60% and it’s still great, this is going to be a solid SW film… oh shit oh shit this has to end at some point.”

Edit: Also, JJ said there will be 10-20 minutes of deleted scenes on the Blu-ray.

TK428 said:

MJR80 said:

Finn is a Solo (read the new comics-Han was married before the '77 movie to a woman of color), thus making Finn and Ren half-brothers.

I’ve heard the now canon comic-book piece about Solo’s other lady. It’s an interesting angle but I don’t think they would do that. It would shrink the universe further than it already has been. I think Finn is a Han Solo type character but in no way related. There was always kind of a rumor (maybe it’s canon, I dunno…I don’t know what is and is not) that Han Solo had been a Stormtrooper at some point and defected himself.

Spoiler [for a rather crappy arc in the comic]: She was just part of a scam he was pulling.

Harmy said:

Did anyone else notice that 3P0 seems to have put on some weight? New plating I guess 😄

I think Anthony Daniels said part of his terms of coming back was getting a costume with adjustments so that it actually fits comfortably. Perhaps the arm is just as much a distraction from that as it is a toy selling thing.

Harmy said:

Also, I came up with a plan for the future of Despecialized should they release the originals officially - I would probably take down all the links to Despecialized I put up myself and then I would do any corrections to the new release that would be necessary in DaVinci Resolve, which is now free for non-commercial use, and I would just release the clips that would need other sources to be fixed and a Resolve project file, so everyone can take their BDs and render the fixed versions themselves.

Given Disney’s track-record, I’m pretty sure there would be things that would need fixing to make it a true purist theatrical version but most people wouldn’t care, so this would be the solution for us purists to get the version we want without resorting to piracy.

What do you guys think?

That’s a great idea.

Isn’t resolve generally used for color correction? Wasn’t aware that it had other good editing functions. But I like the idea. Similar to people releasing translation patches and such instead of the copyrighted files.

How well it works will depend on what (if anything) Disney does. Folks will need high quality or lossless Fox logos, probably. It’s possible that people here will want original compositing rotoscoped in. And that would require people having identical sources, or maybe even having it rendered for them. Not really an issue for me, as I don’t mind that stuff. And I’ll even admit the treasonous fact that I’d secretly prefer the recomped battle of Hoth. 😉 I wouldn’t nitpick anything like that in an official release, assuming they gave it a best effort. The color and sound may be botched, though. So I expect that I might want those things fixed.

In any event, it sends the right message to visitors here. And hopefully we wouldn’t get too much begging for rendered files here, if the masses are content with whatever Disney may come up with.

CrazyH said:

SmegPod said:

Why did it take them 7 films to realise that it makes the effects more convincing if the sabers actually cast light on their surroundings?

They do in AOTC… Anakin vs Dooku

That said, the lightsabers looked awesome and better than ever, they felt really physical and had a certain heft to them. Kylo Ren’s unstable beam and low frequency buzz was a really nice touch. I heard that they made them actually spark on set when they hit eachother. The bit when Finn is first using it more as a melee weapon than a sword is superb.

Yeah, AoTC and RoTS had saber lighting at times. The original film did to some degree, given they actually had rotating reflective sabers.

Harmy said:

From facebook:

“Star Wars DE v2.5” is gorgeous, IMHO. I don’t know what “issues” need fixing. I have projected an original 35mm technicolor print of “Star Wars” (one of five prints in existence) and I can assure all of you - and I tell everyone this - “Star Wars DE v2.5” looks 99% identical to that technicolor print.

But still, the colors are part of what I want to fix in v3.0, but like I said, more the technical side of the color correction, than the actual color choices.

That’s good to hear. Yes, even when the choices are good ones, sometimes it’s perhaps just due to the limitations of the blu-ray.

It would still be nice if you had access to stills from a second print. Or if Mike could provide you with low-res stills from his corrected version.

TV’s Frink said:

Incidentally, for those who saw it in 3D, what did you think of the 3D? It seems to me that conversions have come a long way, and that this made for a really enjoyable 3D experience.

Having said that, I’m also looking forward to watching it in 2D this coming weekend.

I saw the 2D first and must say that’s the only way I’ll be viewing it from now on, unless I happen across a 70mm theater during the holidays (I just found out that my theater does have the Tarantino film in 70mm, though).

I agree that the conversions are good these days. And mild enough that it doesn’t distract from the movie. The image gets a bit ‘choppy’ (appearing as low frame rate) during fast action, people running, etc. And I felt the darker scenes, such as the first one, were harder to focus on detail. But that might just be me. I really disliked the previews for Civil War and Warcraft, and their unnaturally layered shots. It was impressive looking, but distracting.

The sound was much better in the IMAX viewing, but that’s maybe just because I was in the higher up reserved seating area for 2D. No real complaints about the sound either way, but I’m no audiophile.

Edit: Oh, and the IMAX shots during the Falcon’s escape from Jakku looked really nice. The cockpit shots of the First Order TIE trooper actually stood out as looking really great in IMAX, which I didn’t expect.

Harmy said:

From what I know, it seems the print is a faded Eastman, that was never meant to serve for archival purposes.

He speaks once of fade as ‘loss of vibrancy’. And describes Tatooine as a sort of yellow dusty color that he attributes, probably incorrectly, to fade. Whether or not its a transfer or presentation issue isn’t clear. But it sounds like it might actually look correct and he’s just comparing it to the SE that looks like Tatooine was a Californian summer with bright blue skies.

Either way, he wouldn’t be able to discuss things in this way if it was a bright red/pink Eastman film.

It’s pretty cool that it has the original crawl.

misternewton said:

Just posting this in case anyone hadn’t read it. The Library Of Congress has a nice 2K scan and carefully preserved 35MM prints.

http://mashable.com/2015/12/17/star-wars-original-cut/#61CxHJ2VbiqL

I wonder how they determined their color correction.

Well this is certainly news to me. I thought George refused to give them anything but the SE. Here it says that they’ve had “negatives” since the theatrical releases. The author doesn’t seem to have any technical knowledge about film. But this certainly seems interesting.

I’ve just checked the novelization, and the city shown in the destroyed Hosnian system is referred to as “Republic City”. The woman shown, I think, is called Korr Sella, Leia’s envoy.

Admiral Motti said:

I really did not like Finn. First, I still find it improbable that there would be a black stormtrooper. In the original trilogy, all of the Imperials were white human males.

This is not the forum you are looking for. waves hand

rotan21 said:

CatBus - or ANYONE on this thread - How does one implement the subtitle file patch for the missing Boushh and Jabba subtitles into the final (rar combined) mkv file of ROTJWP 2.0? Do I just drag and drop them into Project Threepio’s SRT and SUP folders, respectively? If so, it’s not working for me. What am I doing wrong?

“This is why I’d like to ask everyone to stay strictly on topic - we can discuss the reported problems but not anything else!!! Thank you!!!”

It has been discussed in the RoTJ thread and there are various answers depending on how you want to play it.

TheWanderingNomad said:

ZkinandBonez said:

TheWanderingNomad said:

SilverWook said:

TheWanderingNomad said:

The Resistance base looked far too much like a set than a real world location, especially compared to Hoth or Yavin.

You do know they used a real RAF military base for that, right?

Yes. & it doesn’t alter the fact it looked like a set. When I say ‘real world’ I mean within the context of the Star Wars universe. It was one step up from Dr Who using English quarries for alien planets in the 70s. The rather pedestrian way those scenes were shot didn’t help either.

Well, a lot of studio lots used to be aircraft hangars, so that does kind of makes sense. And a lot of studio lots are built on the same principle. But I think it would be more correct to say that sets look like hangars, rather than saying that the hangars look like sets.

I didn’t say that: those are your words. Compare Hoth and Yavin, they had a much different sense of scale and other-worldliness. I think the Resistance base could have done with some matt paintings or enhancement of the landscape.

Visually, it wasn’t very interesting. &, as I said, I think that’s partly how it’s shot. It had a very TV movie/series aesthetic.

I thought the base looked like it would be pretty great in the drone/helicopter shots people took during filming. I feel like we didn’t get enough wide or overhead shots (enhanced, as needed) to really show it off in the film.

Hey, I don’t think you need to worry about insulting us. It’s always interesting to hear topics like this.

It’s indeed great that you got to see the film in 1977 and that it produced such strong memories, whether or not they’re perfectly accurate. I think the idea of false memories in film has been discussed here a few times, leading to some interesting (and yes, sometimes heated) threads. As you’ve probably noticed, there is no working search function. So your attempts to find the threads would likely be as good as mine.

The major recurring one is the idea that Luke swung his grappling hook a few times and missed. Another, I think, has to do with Luke hanging on to the structure underneath Cloud CIty. I think this is the first one I’ve heard of this memory, specifically.

Some people around here did indeed see the film in its theatrical run. But, whether or not Catbus has, he is incredibly familiar with the film in its many versions (as are many folks here). While something like this can never be completely ruled out, there is no existing evidence for it. The point that Catbus was making (successfully, in my opinion), is that a number of users here have direct access to the very 35mm prints that would have been shown to folks like you in 1977 or in 1981 (as ANH). And indeed, every frame and every known mix has been analyzed to death, here. There are prints which no one here is known to have, such as the ESB 70mm. But even then, we have a great deal of information on it. And, to date, there is no print known that is as you describe.

The intent isn’t to be dismissive of your memories, but just to say that with the information available to us it does not sound likely. And that our input shouldn’t be entirely dismissed simply because we weren’t all at those 35mm screenings, since those prints do still exist. However, if your memory is real and is due to a single copy having some abhorrent splice or something. Again, the grappling hook thread would perhaps be of interest to you, if we can find it. And who knows, maybe (as with the grappling hook), someone else will recall the ‘standby’ scene the way that you have.

SilverWook said:

Wasn’t Kenny Baker going to be in the movie too? Not that Artoo had much to do.

I wonder where Warwick Davis appears?

Kenny got the credit of R2D2 consultant.

Animeman1000 said:

That_OT_Ruler said:

Hey Harmy, how would you recommend burning the movies on a blu-ray disc? Do I burn the MKV to a BD disc or what? I have a BD burner and the 18 GB mkv, so what do I do? What do you recommend?

I think the easiest way would to download the AVCHD which comes with a RAR file and an ISO file. Then just burn the ISO file to a Blu-Ray disk? IDK. I don’t own a Blu-Ray burner. This is just my thought.

For a better quality video, remux the mkv with tsmuxerGUI and burn.

Personally, found the theatrical cut enjoyable. But it’s still interesting to read these ideas (and reassuring to read his relatively mild they are compared to the last three films).

However, I do have a feeling I’ll end up wanting an edit that incorporates some of the deleted scenes. JJ said there should be between 10-20 minutes on the bluray.

Are we allowed to post VIII info?

According to starwarsnewsnet…

Edit: removed. Will try to find the VIII thread later. It’s about the returning cast.

hydrospanner said:

Anyone else catch the Bespin corridor shot during Rey’s vision?

No. There was a ton of stuff from that sequence that I would like to rewatch.

Chewie was definitely not CGI. His fur around his eyes is smoother and shinier for whatever reason. This is something people have been freaking out and doomsdaying about since the teaser in April. Aside from him looking slightly different, I didn’t think he looked like a CG character. In fact, when he was running around setting explosives, I thought he looked very much like a ‘walking carpet’, and about how absurdly out of place he would look in this modern film if we didn’t know the character already.

Mavimao said:

REPORT-Jedi-v2.0WP

• The Sarlacc 35mm elements seem a little ‘hot’ and blown out. I don’t know if the highlights need to be decreased or what (I know crap about color correction…)

I think the sand itself in the 35mm sarlacc scenes is a good color, and hopefully the surrounding BD shots (which were always all over the place) will match it. Skin tones in that sequence also need some work.

So, to further support what I said about me not paying attention to soundtracks: Can anyone explain what you’re talking about regarding the title?