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#889679
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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CatBus said:

There are other projects that go to some lengths to re-create the colors of our VHS-tinted memories. This one comes to mind: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/GOUT-EC-Edition-v2-RELEASED/id/15871

That thread is hilarious.

But I think what people are requesting in this case are colors similar to the ‘before’ pictures in that thread. 😛

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#889353
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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Memorex said:

TheBardXWM said:

I hate to keep belaboring this question but where would you find such an HDTV version?

On a HD channel on tv? 😉 Recordings are all over the interwebs, google and you shall find.

To be fair, the release of 2011 BDs essentially erased the 2004 HD from the public interwebs. Pirates don’t generally care about anything but the latest, which is problematic for preservationists.

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#889286
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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Smoking Lizard said:

towne32 said:

You still haven’t seen the film, right? So I can keep ignoring you? This film was absolutely nothing like TPM. Many, MANY of us were critical walking out of TPM. The people you see gushing in the videos after the premiere were selected because of their reactions. And I’ll bet many of them (the adults at least, such as Kevin Smith) still love the prequels today.

Understand, I am not criticizing the acting, the direction, the cinematography, the special effects, the editing, the audio mix, or the score.

I’m criticizing the story. One does not need to see a movie to know and comprehend its story.

All of these things together make the film what it is. The presentation of the story was nothing like ANH. Many of us wish something besides Starkiller was done. But I had other, more important, plot points in my mind while all that was going down in the film.

Your criticism popped up very early on when you read a bullet point list of steps that are similar to ANH. Yes, when it’s stated like that it sounds awful. But, aside from Starkiller, they felt like polite nods to 1977 while a new story was being told.

I suspect you may be looking back and judging TPM with a set of “after-the-fact” eyeglasses.

Of course? This is the case for every movie I’ve ever seen, though. TPM was disappointing at the time, but there were definitely things I enjoyed about it. If I were a bit younger, perhaps it would have been a ‘classic’ to me and my opinion would degenerate much more over time. In the years to come, I would say I became more critical of everything about the PT. At this point, I can watch them and see the few things that they did really well, and shake my head that it doesn’t matter when the end result is so bad.

Whereas TPM felt like a let down that ‘oh well, at least it has a few key moments that worked’. This felt like one of the first action adventure films in recent years with actual heart to it, with some definite flaws that could be tightened up. It will probably adjust in people’s rankings (most likely, from ranking right above Jedi to right under), but I suspect that its legacy will not be that it was a major misstep, but rather a return to glory that was just a bit too safe. The long term opinion is going to depend somewhat on what the next two films do, though.

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#889275
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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Smoking Lizard said:

I suspect that “The Force Awakens” will follow the same path as “The Phantom Menace.”

When TPM opened, fans were raving, gushing, ranting about it. Fans were describing it as “awesome,” “amazing,” “sensational.” Some even saying, “Best movie EVER!” Fans everywhere were saying, “I loved it!”

Soon enough, though, the euphoria started to wear off and the fan base started to sober up. Hardened longtime fans had already taken to the Internet to point out the ridiculous nature of TPM’s plot elements: Jar Jar, 8-year-olds accidentally saving the day, midichlorians, the “convenient” coincidences, etc. These early bashers were initially met with ridicule and contempt. Supporters of the movie employed all sorts of logic fallacy to defend the movie: “Obviously you’re WRONG because the movie is making so much money!” When critics pointed out all the silliness, supporters were quick with ridiculous ad hoc reasoning to “explain” weaknesses of the film.

It was all initially fueled by hunger and nostalgia of the fans for more Star Wars movies. Fueled by the hope that Star Wars wasn’t over, that the franchise had a new future. More movies, more merchandise, more excitement, more fun.

But finally the honeymoon ended and the fan base completely came to their senses. They realized TPM is simply an awful movie that largely wrecked the franchise.

And so, rinse and repeat. Here we are today, with an equally bad movie. As critics point out the laughably ridiculous flaws, defenders rush in with contrived ad hoc reasoning to “explain it all away,” and, even better, launch all sorts of ad hominem attacks against the critics.

It’s just movie! The Force made it happen! It’s science fantasy, not science fiction! It’s Star Wars! Blah, blah, blah.

Sigh

You still haven’t seen the film, right? So I can keep ignoring you? This film was absolutely nothing like TPM. Many, MANY of us were critical walking out of TPM. The people you see gushing in the videos after the premiere were selected because of their reactions. And I’ll bet many of them (the adults at least, such as Kevin Smith) still love the prequels today.

I just love the fact that someone who has not seen the movie and therefore cannot have his own opinion on the movie is so dedicated to invalidating other people’s opinions. Critique something you haven’t seen all you want, but quit telling people they don’t know how they feel.

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#889115
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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It’s also possible that the scene just didn’t turn out well. People have been claiming that Lupita gave a bad performance, which is ridiculous. They could get her to re-record if needed. I think it’s much more likely that however Carrie performed the scene, it didn’t carry the necessary emotion for holding her brother’s lightsaber. Just speculation, of course.

But also, what would have happened with the lightsaber? Maz gives it to Finn, Finn has it in the battle, loses it, gets it back, gives it back to Maz. Maz gives it to Leia, somehow it gets back to Finn who loses it with Kylo? It’s not a baton. I’m just glad it wasn’t twirling in space after the crawl. I’m glad that rumor was nonsense.

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#889085
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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That’s a really good theory. Rey seemed quite genuine when she said she thought Luke was a myth. But that puts us, perhaps, off the trail of what should be the obvious conclusion for the rest of the film (although we keep suspecting it, time and again).

She wasn’t kidding then, when she said “classified? Me too”. Classified even from herself? It also makes her reaction to Maz’s ‘take the damn saber’ bit even better.

Well. Time to watch the thing again with this in mind. 😃

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#889080
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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DominicCobb said:

The scene where Kylo first hears about Rey had me asking questions. The officer mentions a girl and he quickly spins around and forces the officer over. Why the big reaction? Simple histrionics (he is in quite a mood in that scene)? Or does hearing about a hero girl light a spark in his mind (if Luke had a daughter, did he know)? The only thing that makes me doubt this is when he talks to Snoke about her (“she is strong in the force”) he doesn’t say anything about her possible parentage (maybe he knows something he doesn’t want Snoke to know?).

Yep. By the time he was interrogating her, I thought she would for sure recognize him once the mask comes off.

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#889058
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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hydrospanner said:

woofermazing said:

I think you guys are mistaken about Rey being hidden from Ren. I think it’s more likely that Ren is the one who dumped her on Jakku. Ren was Lukes star pupil and likely successor to lead the new Jedi order. Then baby Skywalker is born and is a force prodigy. Ren is pissy about being cast aside and hooks up with Snoke. He’s ordered to wipe out the Jedi order and bring the Skywalker child to Snoke. He decides to kill her instead because he doesn’t want to be second fiddle again but can’t follow through, so instead ditches her on a random planet. She doesn’t remember any of this yet.

Kylo Rens reaction to hearing about the Jakku escape and fear when she starts to realize her force powers make no sense unless they have history, and his inferiority complex makes no sense unless he’s been cast aside before in favor of Rey. It also would completely ruin Luke’s character for me if he abandoned Rey to the same life he had been stuck in, and then gave up fighting for good.

I really like this as a possible explanation.

There’s also the novelization. When the lightsaber whizzes by Kylo and into Rey’s hand, he thinks “It is you”.

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#888929
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Rate 'The Last Jedi' (NO SPOILERS) (was: Rate TFA (NO SPOILERS))
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Bosk said:

I think a lot of people are trying very hard to like the film after the prequels but I think on a few viewings at home and not on the big screen they will see all the faults in all their glory.

Perhaps they might be. Perhaps I am. Perhaps people are trying very, very hard to dislike the film also due to the prequels. Perhaps definitely the last one.

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#888925
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The Force Awakens : Fan Edit Ideas
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Hey, thanks for liking the idea. As I said, I think I’ll always enjoy the real cut for this film, but these things are fun anyway.

I think the execution of this idea is really going to depend on the bonus material we get. Using only the scenes we have, the best we would get from this idea is a compelling ‘draw’ where both sides sort of lose at the end. It will differentiate it from ANH, but that’s about it.

If we get anything more from Hosnian Prime, though, we will really be able to use the ending to put the Republic in a state of despair (that presumably it is indeed in), at the end of this film.

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#888866
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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Anchorhead said:

brash_stryker said:

If they really had to have Starkiller base, I think the Resistance ought to have failed to destroy it (only disabled it). This would have subverted our expectations and made it less of a rehash of ANH/ROTJ. Also it would have made it much darker (Han died for nothing, and Luke is now the Last Hope for the galaxy, just as he was once the NEW Hope).

That would have been an excellent way to handle it.

I like the idea in theory. But I don’t want to see it next time. Maybe the destruction of the Hosnian system and Senate could have happened during the battle, because they failed to destroy it in time? Or, they did enough damage that the weapon destroyed itself when it fired and destroyed that system? A bittersweet victory. Edit: huh, that might actually be faneditable.

I’m really not opposed to the existence of the weapon itself in the film. I think, visually, it had a good look and I liked the fact that the battle in the woods was actually on the weapon. The events that occurred within the base were great, too. That it was even a converted planet was a neat idea. I just think the battle itself was a huge missed opportunity and the one point for me where the ‘throwbacks’ become a rehash. But I was much too concerned about Kylo and Rey’s confrontation to care about the air battle much.

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#888812
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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When you first posted that, I didn’t know what Kylo’s theme was. So I went back and listened to it and, for me, (someone who is clueless when it comes to scores) no I did not detect similarities. I also think the music for Kylo’s battle was fantastic and suited him, but it didn’t strike me as a “theme” that could be easily reused, the way Rey’s is. It also isn’t explicitly called a theme on the soundtrack.

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#888685
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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pat man said:

hydrospanner said:

Why were they able to see the Hosnian system get destroyed from Takodana? You’d think they’d be right on top of each other for that to make sense.

Was it just me or was the main planet we see get blown up in the Hosnian system Coruscant or a planet very similar?

Similar, perhaps. It’s Republic City on Hosnian Prime.

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#888622
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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Warbler said:

spoiler warning
I think they made it too obvious what was going to happen to Han, at the time it happen. I was fairly certain what was going to happen about 30 seconds before it happened. I don’t understand how Rey could do so well against Kylo Ren in their fight when she supposedly hasn’t been trained at all. I realize you can argue that Kylo Ren hasn’t been fully trained yet, but he was at least somewhat trained. Rey should have been no match for him. In order to comply the rules, I will post more in the EP VIII thread.

Well, he was shot in the stomach by one of Chewie’s ridiculously powerful arrow bolt blaster things and was bleeding heavily from that.

Daisy Ridley’s performance I felt was a little bland, she’s charming but I didn’t feel much depth in her performance, didn’t like how she got so offended by Boyega grabbing her hand to get her away from the first order, overreaction much? Its bits like that that add fuel to the flames of those accusing JJ of pushing a femenist agenda in this film with Rey.

No need to get all anti-agenda-y, though I certainly don’t mind feminism in film. It was showing her lonerism and distrust, which is also the reason for the long hug when she realizes someone actually came back for her for once.

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#888563
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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StardustCamellia said:

Who knows. I keep hearing there was stuff cut from this film due to runtime and to keep it tight. I hear we lost a couple of Maz Kanata bits because Nyong’o “wasn’t delivering” and we may have lost a scene with Luke (though, I’m a big, big fan of how they actually left us wanting more rather than breaking the tension with anything additional).

That’s surprising, she did a great job in the scenes she had. I heard one similar rumor that they cut the character completely due to her performance, but it seemed like a reactionary rumor based on her not being in the trailers. Really, I think the CG characters didn’t fit enough with their marketing, or they feared that a short glimpse would have people dreading another prequel type character. If anything was cut, I wonder if it wasn’t the visuals they were unhappy with rather than performance. They had forever to get better performances out of her, and we know she’s capable.

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#888394
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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Wazzles said:

Harmy said:

Well, Resolve is now a full-on non-linear editor with great color correction features. And like I said, if any shots needed a different source (like re-comped effects) I would just provide those clips as separate files, which would already be added to the project. In terms of audio, if the Disney release didn’t have the original mixes, I would make sure to conform it to GOUT sync, so everyone can mux in the audio preservations, which already exist.

I’m a little confused here. Are you suggesting that if Disney were to release their own version of the OUT that you would simply provide the various clips and have us put it together on our own?

He means that if they mess it up, he would supply the ‘tools’ needed for us to fix it rather than risk distributing rendered versions of the new release, which would be risky business.

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#888392
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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TavorX said:
think Leia mentions that the Senate is too slow to enact anything so therefore Leia took action into her own hands to lead the Resistance. Leia apparently also sent a negotiator to the Republic, but you see her get blown up on that Coruscant-esque planet.

Damned slow Senate. Someone should have called for a vote of no confidence.

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#888386
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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Nepheronia said:

Solid 7.5/10 film for me, much better than the prequels but it apes ANH far too much. That pulled me out of being fully engrossed in the movie.

Also, I really disliked how they ignored the implicit promise of the end of RotJ and the whole idea of the Republic of a more civilised time. 30 years down the track we have what basically appears to be the same status quo as the beginning of ANH, big evil Empire and small underdog resistance.

Supplementary materials reveal that theFirst Order is an Imperial Remnant stationed in the Unknown Region and that the Republic haven’t investigated that area really so we’re only seeing an absolute corner of the galaxy and the whole galaxy isn’t like this.

But the movie doesn’t hint at that at all. Everything we see basically points to the Empire being dominant again. It’s lazy and bugged me as well.

I thought Hux’s speech made it sound quite like (from their perspective) the First Order were underdogs trying to right things and that the evil new Republic was lying and spreading propaganda, etc. What was not clear was the secretive nature of the ‘resistance’ and how/why they were unofficially sanctioned by the Republic. I only caught Ren mentioning that fact on my second viewing. I get now that the official Army (which is presumably quite small as the new republic did not want to be a new empire) wasn’t involved, and probably took massive losses in the Hosnian strike, thereby being unable to help attack Starkiller.

But why the secret faction in the first place? Too many major targets from the old Rebellion? Are they actually viewed as terrorists in this time of peace? A special unit to deal with Sithy folks like Snoke?

I actually like the fact that we’re being dropped back into the Galaxy without all the answers. But we’ll see once the deleted scenes are released if there would have been some things better explained now as opposed to in the next two films.