towne32

Sky_ said:

towne32 said:

Now that I’ve looked a little more carefully, I see that huge amounts of the frame were replaced (most of the sky, ground, etc). Presumably that makes it much easier to clean, when only a few objects on screen are carried over from the original (though they do generally look good). Handy for avoiding the enormous tramline scratches and such, but it has me managing my expectations for what can be done with purely the original frames!

Actually I have the version with no elements just raw footage cleaned up, no as clean as this but it’s like 90 percent cleaner than the original as that as far as 8 could with the raw footage, it only then that I decided to go with the method that you see now, the first stage of clean took a very long time

That’s very impressive!

a_o said:

Did Team Blu release 97SE versions of ESB + ROTJ in 720p? only found ANH

Nope.

Now that I’ve looked a little more carefully, I see that huge amounts of the frame were replaced (most of the sky, ground, etc). Presumably that makes it much easier to clean, when only a few objects on screen are carried over from the original (though they do generally look good). Handy for avoiding the enormous tramline scratches and such, but it has me managing my expectations for what can be done with purely the original frames!

What everyone else said: Excellent cleanup, but didn’t need the extra stuff. 😃 Looking forward to a clean, unenhanced, version!

Jackpumpkinhead said:

Honestly, why isn’t releasing LUT files for movies more of a thing? Quick, small, and easy to apply.

Movies often benefit from shot by shot or scene by scene corrections. But when there’s a lazy single setting grading on top, that turns out to be relatively unpopular around here, an LUT works very well to fix it.

darthrush said:

I honestly prefer the LUT’s so much more. You can customize them and simply apply them yourself without downloading the entire film.

Yes, but there are surely many people who might want to watch it without getting into the business of encoding video! That said, I think Dre has done more than his part in releasing the LUT. If enough people start asking for an encoding, I’m sure one of the many helpful people around here will get around to it at some point.

kk650 said:

I am personally seeing a red tinted lightsaber core and red tinted snow/salt/whatever that planet’s covered with. As JawsTDS said, the starfield also looks red tinted, though that may be just for that shot.

Dre, if you didn’t add red yourself, you most likely increased the saturation too much. The colours would look nicer and more balanced if you reduced the saturation IMHO. I prefer your V1 regrade settings.

Yes, or maybe somewhere in between. It’s nice to see the grass on the island more bright and vibrant like in tfa, but perhaps it’s a bit much in other cases. Still not bad at all, though.

darthrush said:

The first LUT makes for a gorgeous image. The second goes too far in many places from what I saw. The biggest issue is the crushed blacks throughout. But we got the first LUT which is a perfect correction in my opinion! And yeah, a new thread is probably a good idea if the discussion goes further.

Yep. Unlike the yellow, I do think the contrast needs shot by shot adjustment (or else just settling for the way it is). I’ve watched the UHD, and some parts, particularly indoor scenes, have excellent contrast.

The space shots all look like they’re being viewed from behind glass, like from a cockpit or something. The starfields are, obviously, not black and it seemed like there is a bit of a reflective haze (just lens flair?) associated with laser blasts and such. The look seems to be intentional, but indeed different from all of the previous films.

In terms of comparing it to how things looked in the theater, I think it’s probably not possible to make a good comparison about projected black levels vs. television. But the colors, whether we like them or not, seem to me absolutely what I saw on the big screen several times.

DominicCobb said:

kk650 said:

DominicCobb said:

towne32 said:

Secondly - I was wrong, KK650. The yellow tint does seem to be applied evenly across the film based on what Dre is saying. I don’t get how applying a single setting on the top of a 2.5hr film is in any way what a professional in the industry should get paid for doing. shrug

There’s a lot more that goes into professionally grading a film than that.

Of course but it doesn’t change the fact that after all the scenes have been selectively colour graded, a final blanket tint is added over the whole film for many many releases these days. Like towne32 I don’t understand why they do it. Why do all the work selectively colour grading each scene just to add a blanket yellow/green tint to the whole film at the end that dullens all the colour choices they made before, I just don’t get it.

I just mean that it’s weird to act like the only thing they did was give it a blanket tint, which is what towne23 implied. There’s nothing wrong with disliking the tint, it wasn’t my favorite either.

There is indeed more to grading a film than that.

And then they took the entire film and applied a single setting to it. It seems lazy.

Firstly - Exellent LUT, Dre!

Secondly - I was wrong, KK650. The yellow tint does seem to be applied evenly across the film based on what Dre is saying. I don’t get how applying a single setting on the top of a 2.5hr film is in any way what a professional in the industry should get paid for doing. shrug

Hope you are doing better soon, kk. Your health is the most important thing.

I think it’s unlikely that the grading simply had one blanket yellowish setting added over the top of it, even if some find it too yellow in general. It would probably need a careful shot by shot adjustment.

A couple look more natural (if that makes them better or worse is a personal choice. I don’t believe films need to be stripped of their color timing decisions to look good). But, some shots have indeed become blue enough that I’m sure the blue would fanedited away if it was released that way.

Wait, you actually have the svcd? I thought that was lost to the ages.

Soupdrinker0 said:

monks19 said:

Soupdrinker0 said:

SmoothHat said:

Colson said:

SmoothHat said:

So nobody has the Song of the South 35mm 1080p Version anymore?

There’s a great copy on the spleen.

I can’t find it there! I’m logged in but i can’t find it!

Check the PM I sent you bud 😃

Hi. I’ll be interested to get a copy of this scan myself if anyone here has it. Don’t hesitate to PM me please.

Thanks

I didn’t PM him a link to a copy, I was told the person in charge of the scan didn’t want it shared & I always respect the wishes of those in charge when it comes to film scans. I figured he was most likely bullshitting about being a member and I asked a ? to get confirmation.

Is this the scan from the person who likes to charge money for that and Pinocchio, or a different person altogether (I know there are several)? That particular person loses their vote on the share-ability of the product, in my opinion, because they sell it for profit. And they often just collect the money and don’t send it. Better to share it far and wide to prevent him from ripping more people off.

My apologies and retraction if it’s about an honest scanner/sharer.

Handman said:

I wish I had the money to spend $70 on a Blu-ray set right now.

$53, but fair enough. 😃

For anyone who was considering pre ordering the S12 set but hasn’t yet, a message from the restoration team:

This is a bit of a heads-up for US fans… There’s now a confirmed release date of 26th of June in the States. It would be incredibly helpful if you could get your pre-orders in (it’s on Amazon already, I imagine it’s also on other retail sites) sooner rather than later. America is a really big linchpin in the future of this Blu-ray range, so strong pre-order sales will help create confidence in the range and encourage early commissioning of the next set. Spread the word!

It’s actually June 19 now. https://www.amazon.com/Doctor-Who-Tom-Baker-The-Complete-First-Season-Blu-ray/dp/B079PT1N7W

I also suspect the price on Amazon will drop considerably, based on what Target has listed (still with placeholder date: https://www.target.com/p/doctor-who-tom-baker-complete-first-s-blu-ray/-/A-53487571

TM2YC said:

towne32 said:

Genesis of the Daleks – omnibus movie version

I’m in on that alone.

You’ll probably like to hear, then, that Mark Ayres is doing 5.1 mixes for Genesis and Ark in Space.

Williarob said:

Poita I’d like to take a moment to thank you, not only for all you do for the community but also for continuing to take the high road in situations like this - it’s unfortunate that a lot of forum threads ultimately flame out because somebody says something rude, and others respond in kind. It’s all too easy to write a biting retort. Your thoughtful and reasoned reply is the kind of response that stops that nonsense in its tracks, restores perspective and allows discussions to continue. This is not the first time, I’ve seen you bite your tongue, and refrain from cutting somebody down to size, and I’m sure it won’t be the last. I applaud your patience, and wish the internet was filled with more people like you.

A very nice post. I’ve partaken in my share of dickery on this forum. Never with Poita, of course, but I still regret it. Both of you, and Harmy, and plenty of others, are good examples of how to behave around here.

Tobar said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I thought the convention when it came to Doctor Who was that everything pre-1989 was “season” and everything post-2005 was “series?”

Yes.

Yep. It’s a handy way to refer to a series without spelling out which iteration. And it’s been standard since the 80s, and back to some correspondences during season 2 as well.

SilverWook said:

Handman said:

I don’t like the new logo on the Classic Series. I get that they’re trying to unify the show, but… well, imagine if they tried doing that in 2005.

It does say not final, so maybe they will fix that.

Fix it to a classic logo? No. Apparently one of the reasons it wasn’t announced prior to now is that the BBC has made it mandatory to use the new logo on all merchandise.

I wonder if Enemy SE will slip through, or if that’s the reason for its delay. I’m fine with the new logo (with improved color) for a new range, but hopefully the keep this perhaps last DVD consistent, and not just for the ugly roundels reversible cover.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Everything should be unified under this logo.

I remember reading some of the novelizations in the 90s, and had no idea why they had this hideous logo that was outdated even by then. They weren’t 7th Doctor books, and I’d never seen anything of him or the New Adventures at that point.

SilverWook said:

I have a region free player. Not sure if my tv does 50p/50i.

Might be worth testing out Shada, if that’s something you’re interested in.

On the other hand, I’ve got no idea if they would include that on the Season 17 set resulting in a re-buy.

The new logo looks better than expected once they change the color. A whole set of these would look great.

Handman said:

towne32 said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Hmm. I’d rather they keep them in standard def and cram as many episodes on each BR disc as they can rather than upscale, but okay.

Steve has said the bulk of the costs are in the content licensing rather than the discs, so fewer wouldn’t drop the price really. And apparently the blu-ray disc association doesn’t like it when main features are actually SD.

And it will be worth it where the film exists, plus titles and credits.

Not trying to be too nosy, but where are you hearing that the film stuff is going to be scanned in HD?

On Gallifreybase, Steve Roberts listed it as one of the reasons to go with blu-ray (again, this was done for the new Shada release as well). But I should emphasize that none of the film survives for season 12, at least as far as is known. The earliest 4th Doctor serial with extant film is Invasion of Time. Then there’s Pirate Planet, (Shada), and Leisure Hive. Then with Season 19, nearly all of the stories have surviving film.

No worries about nosiness. I think at this point everything I know has been stated publicly somewhere.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Do we have any idea when other seasons may release or if there will be any sort of regular schedule to releases? I wouldn’t want to sell off all my discs if some of them never even get to Blu. Also, blu-ray.com lists this as releasing in October. Is the March release UK only?

March is the announcement. June 11th release for the UK. October apparently for the US. The 60i versions are being made from the 50i masters, so no loss in resolution.

No word on overall plan, but I’d like to know too. The press release is tomorrow, but apparently they are waiting to see how sales go before committing.

SilverWook said:

Fox must know where the elements for the tv movie are stored. (If they haven’t been lost.) If the BBC wasn’t so penny pinching the tv movie could get rebuilt in HD.
Hope I can actually play these discs if we get stiffed on a U.S. release.

This has been addressed before by the restoration team. Technically, it’s an ideal candidate as it’s entirely 35mm. But the costs were determined to outscale the potential earnings by “several orders of magnitude”. Plus effects would need to be done or upscaled, etc etc.

They’ve been good about making all the UK releases region free in the last 4 years or so. But this does seem to be coming out in the US. My TV does 50p/50i content, so I think I’ll stick with region B.

SilverWook said:

Hopefully not cropped to 16:9?

No. And the restoration team is doing it, so it shouldn’t look bad like the Movie. More like Shada. 50i/60i from 576 line versions.

ChainsawAsh said:

Hmm. I’d rather they keep them in standard def and cram as many episodes on each BR disc as they can rather than upscale, but okay.

Steve has said the bulk of the costs are in the content licensing rather than the discs, so fewer wouldn’t drop the price really. And apparently the blu-ray disc association doesn’t like it when main features are actually SD.

And it will be worth it where the film exists, plus titles and credits.