Ronster said:
Could the whole film be in the wrong hue?
What makes you think that? That change perhaps bleached the walls a little more, but the characters’ face look a bit lifeless as well.
Those of you who are experiencing jerky playback in the UHD version: Try remuxing the streams into a new MKV container - somebody on another forum did this when adding/subtracting some audio streams and the problem went away. It was originally muxed with the latest version MKVToolnix, but perhaps there is a glitch in the container. Try it and let us know if that fixes the problem for you too.
I tried that when I first noticed the problem. Though I probably also had the latest mkvtoolnix, I did mux it with only a single audio track. I also tried m2ts. Jerky playback with everything. As I’ve said once or thrice, MadVR in MPC solved the problem completely.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the work flow was Harmy’s Lossless source, re-encoded to 20-ish gb MKV file (when it became v2.7) and then re-encoded to a more compatible BD format?
You did not use a lossless master?
It was already BD compliant the way I encoded it. IIRC, his discs do not have a re-encoded main feature.
Even with a GPU that can easily handle it, some people (including myself) ran into problems with the file. I don’t think there’s any way to play it back properly with VLC, for instance.
In MPC, make sure to install and enable MadVR for proper playback. I went from 16 FPS to full speed (and apparently being able to decode a few hundred fps), so it makes a difference.
Others have reported that the latest PowerDVD works fine.
Funny, I’m at work right now so I can’t post any screenshots but there is a chance that it was caused by XBMC or my TV? Weird that it was doing that only in that one scene, but since I am the only person who reported it the problem is probably on my side. So thanks again for your hard work guys, it’s much better than the SSE and this comes from a person who LOVES the SSE 😃
Your TV could be doing temporal processing if you have it playing at 120 fps, etc
Yes. Always make sure kodi switches the refresh rate of your display.
That option is right next to one that conforms the media to the refresh rate. Make sure that isn’t pressed.
And if your program is still called Xbmc instead of kodi, update it. 😃
No, thanks. There is a reason why I am still using XBMC 😃 They broke the m3u video playlists, which I unfortunately need and I haven’t found an alternative (yet).
Well, in any case, use the change refresh rate option if it’s present in those old builds.
So yes, if you were in a good cinema in 1977, and you were lucky enough to see a really good print, there still were many scenes where the inky blackness of space was a bit green, or a bit blue, or a bit grey, and the level of blackness varied considerably shot to shot.
Now, back in '77 you probably didn’t notice, because your mind was busy being blown by the visuals, but the optical shots really stand out, both in their heavier grain levels, and varying colour and sharpness. Not just the blacks either, the colours across the board vary a lot shot-to-shot on the original prints.Does this mean that Mike Verta’s color correction is revisionist, since in his restoration the blacks are really blacks, and that would not be representative of how Star Wars looked in theaters in 1977?
I don’t believe anyone has seen Mike Verta’s final color grade.
Funny, I’m at work right now so I can’t post any screenshots but there is a chance that it was caused by XBMC or my TV? Weird that it was doing that only in that one scene, but since I am the only person who reported it the problem is probably on my side. So thanks again for your hard work guys, it’s much better than the SSE and this comes from a person who LOVES the SSE 😃
Your TV could be doing temporal processing if you have it playing at 120 fps, etc
Yes. Always make sure kodi switches the refresh rate of your display.
That option is right next to one that conforms the media to the refresh rate. Make sure that isn’t pressed.
And if your program is still called Xbmc instead of kodi, update it. 😃
I’m just watching the 1080p version from myspleen right now and I absolutely love what I’ve seen so far.Great work guys!
But … is it really a non-DNVR version? I have noticed one weird shot - when the stormtroopers attack Tantive IV and are rushing through the whole in the door - it really looks like every trooper leaves a trail of himself while he moves, like that shot went through an extensive temporal denoising.
screenshot?
LD Mitsubishi
Not trying to take anything away from the achievement of your release but wow! Never seen anything of the Mitsubishi version…
I think that one looks the best color in my opinion on that shot.Obviously far less detail, but Curious What the rest of it is like.
Fancy doing another shot for fun?
Did anyone else vouch for going with the Mitsubishi color grading on this part? Although you went for an average I guess did anyone call this one the best reference?
This definitely seems like a topic for a new thread. I can’t say with certainty, but I’m pretty sure no one floated the idea of going with the “Mitsubishi grading” for this project, or possibly any other.
I want! I want!
How does it look compared to the most recent Harmy?
Now I just have to figure out how to get it!
It’s not easy to compare them directly. The color is pretty different at times. But it’s graded in a per-reel way instead of per-shot, so there is much less user-introduced bias for shots and scenes in 4K77.
The video quality is very high compared to the SSE. Lower than the blu-ray, but more consistent than Despecialized, and in a small number of shots, higher quality. There is a lot of grain, and you’ll see the natural excess of grain on effect/composited shots in 4K77.
There are still stray scratches, dirt, etc, here and there. But it’s minimal, and the cleanup is pretty great. Still, some people can’t stand seeing even a small amount of that.
The color grading still needs some work IMO, but this is still incredibly impressive.
It’s a whole reel grade, which is a good method to not introduce bias as to how you think it should look. I don’t think it could look too much better than it already does with that approach (and it looks great).
There will surely be a few shot by shot regarded to choose from eventually.
Like any “future SE” shots, these ones always tend to catch my eye. I’m not sure if I’m imagining things, but these shots of R2 tend to look really soft compared to their surrounding shots and the rest of the scene as a whole.
I first thought this with the 2004 HDTV preservation, lining it up against the blu-ray. Easy to shrug off because it’s a bit lower quality than the disc, of course. But other shots don’t really seem that soft when compared directly.
But it seems, to me at least, this way on film as well. Is it possible that there’s something weird with these shots? Blown up from a larger frame, or shot separately from the rest of the scene? There have been numerous other cases (some pointed out by Mr. Verta, for example) where we had previously just assumed changes were made because “why the hell not?”, and there turned out to be a plausible technical snag that they may well have been trying to cover.
Or maybe I’m just imagining things. 😃
It looks really fantastic. Extremely impressive work by all involved.
The film damage doesn’t appear on the GOUT, so I doubt that it is on the Negative.
Isn’t the GOUT supposedly DVNR’ed to hell?
It couldn’t be from another film source unless that damage was on the negative, right? I don’t have Silver Screen to compare with.
Right. With a shot like this, it’s certainly not impossible that the damage is in the negative, though.
I think that AMC’s show “James Cameron’s Story of Science Fiction” used DE as a source for their theatrical shots.
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1207024/action/topic#1207024
Discussing it over in that thread, but I think it’s possibly not from 2.7. Either from another TN1 release (one that’s better quality than the original release I used), or another high quality scan?
As the person that further cleaned/degrained/color corrected that shot for 2.7, I certainly do need to point out that it’s originally derived from TN1’s Silver Screen Edition.
Edit: Wait, the bottom one is from the documentary? It looks cleaner and less compressed.
There were later, higher bitrate releases of the SSE after I did 2.7. It could be from that. Or those specs of dust could be in the negative, and it’s another film source? In any case, it doesn’t look like it’s from 2.7 directly if I’m looking at this right.
That’s a quite mild green compared to some of the very over the top versions we’ve sometimes seen.
I agree that it looks great when balanced and in moderation. It doesn’t need to be colorless and certainly not blueish.
The file itself should work fine with tsmuxer from what I recall. I don’t think it needs to be repaired by rerunning it through Mkvmerge.
Maybe there is something wrong with one of your files? Should probably verify the checksum.
Hey guys, I had the old 2.0 version so I just grabbed the 2.7 but I’m having an issue with tsmuxer crashing around 37.7% and getting this error message “Matroska parse error: invalid H264 NAL unit size. NAL unit truncated.”
I tried remuxing it with mkvmerge but I get the same issue at the same spot.
do you know how I could fix this?
What format did you get it in, and what container are you trying to mux it to in the end?
Ryan-SWI said:
The home video release of AOTC is across the board (on DVD/VHS/VCD), identical to the digital theatrical release on a visual level, as aforementioned. However, the initial home video release changes a few audio cues, the most notable being Padme’s “Yes” being changed to a more natural “Uh-huh” after falling out of the Republic Gunship.
Hmm. You’re suggesting that the “to be angry is to be human” segment was present in the digital theatrical release? Is there any evidence of this?
Hm. You might be onto something there.
I’m going to do some research and see if it’s possible, that’s something I’d definitely love to do.
The biggest challenge I imagine would be cleaning the audio to insert into the mix without sounding off. Centropy’s SVCD is currently the best source for the theatrical AOTC, but the exported 2.0 audio initially captured using a camcorder isn’t exactly Dolby 5.1 quality.
I have about a dozen bootlegs of the theatrical AOTC on VCD and DVD but none of them match the quality of the official home release DVD/HDTV broadcast, obviously.
We have the theatrical audio DTS CDs, though. The SVCD would not be required.
The problem comes back to things like the “to be angry” scene. I think it’s quite a stretch to assume it is identical between the DVD and digital theatrical. I can see the logic of thinking perhaps the two versions of the film were visually the same, with the audio changed changed - based on the fact that we know the robohand shot is the same in both. And that it’s very unlikely that the widely mocked “Yes” line went by unnoticed as “uh huh” in some theaters. But the “to be angry” portion is an audio and visual change, of course.
Undoing that change will require some frames from before and after the newly inserted scene, that were removed from the original theatrical version.
I would also say that there’s a decent chance that the deleted speeder was the same between DVD/digital theatrical. Seems like it could be a late stage, purely visual change as with the hand. But the bottom line is that there’s no way to recreate the digital version other than to make a number of assumptions (ones that conveniently make it actually feasible to construct. 😃 ).
It’s worth noting that the avchd versions are meant to be burned onto a DVD.
But they also serve well as properly encoded (as opposed to transcoded by some rando) version with a smaller file size. Just need to dig the m2ts out.
I just rename the m2ts extension as MKV, then this reads on all my devices.
Generally much better to just remux instead of tricking your software, but yes. 😃
Also makes the file slightly smaller.
It’s worth noting that the avchd versions are meant to be burned onto a DVD.
But they also serve well as properly encoded (as opposed to transcoded by some rando) version with a smaller file size. Just need to dig the m2ts out.
Wait, you actually have the svcd? I thought that was lost to the ages.
Would the SVCD be identical to what was pressed onto DVD bootlegs, if not better quality? I’ve got the original physical release of the Centropy VCD, but I also have about 10 or 11 copies of the CAM rip pressed onto various bootleg DVDs from back in the day too.
It’s hard to say without knowing the origin of the bootlegs. From what I recall, Centropy was putting out unique telesyncs and not ripping black market bootlegs. So presumably those DVDs (Hong Kong silvers and such) were made from the SVCD and not the other way around.
If you’re saying a 8 mbps MPEG2 stream can lose little quality as 2.5 mbps h264, that doesn’t mean that 8 mbps h264 can compress to 2.5 mbps and look the same. The same goes for the idea of 35 mbps h264 going down to 16.
If you just mean extrapolating from 2.5 to 16, the standards of downloaders/homebrew types of things are different from commercial standards. Yes, you’ll definitely see people here release things at bitrates such as 16, as downloaders don’t always want enormous files. But it’s not perfect, and customers would rightly complain if they got a disc with a bitrate like that. That said, legal streaming bitrates can certainly often be lower.
