towne32

That_OT_Ruler said:

towne32 said:

You mean the yellow color specifically in Harmy’s 2.5 that was later determined to be partially a mistake that I did in fact spend two months removing. Haha, interesting choice unless you’re referring to another yellow source. 😉

Lol, it is partially influenced by that, but in all honesty, some of the colors in TFA really bothered me. Way too many blues. So, I had to apply a yellow tint to get some of the colors back to how they would’ve looked in the original trilogy.

That might work well for a few scenes, but I strongly advise against just applying it to the whole film. Most of it looks great or at least better than it would with yellow thrown on top.

Not sure why I’m discussing it since I don’t like your other changes. I guess those ones were more expected from some of the people around here.

You mean the yellow color specifically in Harmy’s 2.5 that was later determined to be partially a mistake that I did in fact spend two months removing. Haha, interesting choice unless you’re referring to another yellow source. 😉

Yeah, no offense, but it sounds like it’s going to be a much more typical cold and bland Hollywood film. It’s interesting because the main complaints are that it was uninspired and didn’t take risks. And this seems to take it further in that direction.

On the other hand, it’s a similar technique that some PT editors use. Cut the heart out of the film (on account of disliking the heart of the film) in order to leave a barebones version that simply updates the viewer on what is going on in the Star Wars galaxy. Only, in my opinion the difference is that this film needs no such thing done to it.

But yes, the interrogation cut goes well beyond the ones that simply seek to remove characterization and humor.

But I don’t expect to relate to people who disliked this film. If I ever watch an edit, it will have extremely minor changes. So I don’t expect to convince anyone of anything. But the color? I must say I didn’t expect anyone to say they wanted it yellow.

Can you explain the yellow finalized tint and, if it means what sounds like, explain why?

After a couple slightly iffy shots in the previews, I ended up being quite happy with the color pallette overall. Some parts did get a bit blue, but there was a decent variety in grading, including a lot that was neutral and vibrant.

Lol. Glitched.

Oh OK. I didn’t remember that one being labeled as such. Kinda misleading but yep, the mkv is glitches.

Darth Mallwalker said:

MrPib said:

Grabbed a Usenet post called “ESB_Grindhouse_1080p_BD25”, and it looks great

except for the glitches at the last scene.

The BD25 is the fixed version.

cbaxter006 said:

Is it likely the deleted scenes on the blue ray will have a time stamp,as the teasers show a time stamp

Not only likely, but seemingly confirmed.

ziggyonice said:

Son of a biiiiiitch.

The only fix I can see is cropping the video to hide the timecode. It would look ridiculous, but that is the only thing I could even think of to resolve it.

Yep. We will see how some of the scenes that could be important, plot wise, look and work when cropped. Their inclusion would be more about dialogue and material rather than the visual. But as far as including scenes just for being cool (snowspeeder, etc), I think they might be passed over until better material shows up.

Not sure they did it to screw with us. Lots of studios include crap like this for some reason. But it could indeed be to prevent bootleg discs with ‘extended versions’ from showing up in countries where that kind of thing is prevalent and can compete with real releases.

Jackpumpkinhead said:

i believe that this is actually how the deleted scenes will look on the blu ray. based on this:
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i just want to say that this is not my contribution, i found it on reddit. if this is breaking a rule i will remove it.

but it looks like it is just gonna be a time code in the top left, which i don’t believe will be that hard to remove. it is a box. all you have to do is screen-shot some frames before and after, put them together in photoshop/gimp and keyframe them into the video via after effects. that is a lot easier to do with the burned in time code than it is with the box watermarks.

No…

What you’re talking about is essentially rotoscoping it out (and there are much more professional tools for doing that), and it’s by no means easy. There is no ‘before and after’. It’s there for these entire scenes. Even if the camera moves and reveals that portion, it’s a huge box and the angle will be off.

If the box watermark you’re referring to is the safety area display, it would have theoretically been outside the area we’re looking at, though I haven’t confirmed that. It would mean a reduced resolution, but no big deal in comparison.

Still, thanks for sharing. The rules might be a bit unforgiving until the BD comes out, I’m not sure. But generally speaking, an off screen capture like that is pretty non-threatening as far as copyright concerns go.

sergejames said:

PLEASE do the 81 crawl and flyover! I’ve been wanting a good quality source of this forever!

There’s no great source yet of the 81 crawl that I’m aware of. As with last time, I’ll probably do a version the 97 crawl with flyover. But it will be a limited release and maybe just for people here (it was unpopular on spleen last time anyway). It’ll probably be a little after the 77 version, because Harmy is going to advertise 2.7 and make a change gallery and stuff, so I don’t want there to be any confusion about what people are getting and what the actual main release is.

The idea behind doing the ANH version was just a nice little bonus for those doing marathons who would prefer it. It doesn’t 100% accurately represent any real version, making it technically a minor fanedit in that it goes from 1997 to 1977. For the intended purpose, I think it works fine. When I watch that scene, the very last thing on my mind is the specific locations of the stars and timing of the planet/moon/etc. However, I fully support the idea that an actual release claiming to be ‘1981’ would need to be frame accurate just as any other shot in the film should be. Which is again why the version is more of a quick hack fanedit than that.

SnooPac said:

FYI, the NFO of that wmv starts:

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The Empire Strikes Back - Grindhouse (version 2-DCP sourced)

Welcome to our second official release, the 35mm version
of The Empire Strikes Back.

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January 2015,

As a thank you to the OT community, and our fans, we are releasing another early version of the movie. We hope…

So I’m not sure exactly what this is, but it says version 2 (whereas the previous grindhouse was called “v1” within the filename I think).

It was released after the better release as an alternative option. It’s not ‘version 2’ of the same work, just a second grindhouse version.

CapableMetal said:

MrPib said:

But wait – there’s a DCP-sourced V2 of the Empire grindhouse. It’s a WMV, unfortunately, but isn’t it an upgrade to V1?

The way I understand it, the WMV pre-dates Grindhouse. Its not DCP-sourced, but rather created as a DCP for a private screening that was held a few years ago.

I could be wrong, as I’m going from vague memories of things I read a while ago. There seemed to be a couple of different ‘older’ versions released after Grindhouse and I wasn’t paying too much attention. I am sure that Grindhouse has only had one version thus far, though.

Correct. It’s a different scan and lower quality.

thorr said:

Thanks for the list! Which are considered the best versions to watch and enjoy as is? I am so behind the times with these.

The BD25 version of the Grindhouse has some glitches fixed at the end of the film. So, that one. They released some reel previews with improved color and cleanup. But they were lower bitrate and watermarked.

Neglify said:

Looks like bad news for anybody wanting to use the deleted scenes in a “Force Awakens” fanedit or Extended Edition. If this teaser is to be believed (and why wouldn’t it) then it appears that they have added a runtime counting clock to the upper left corner. You’d have to either crop it out (bad) or digitally erase it (hard to do on amateur software).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJzPCHU92v0

Hard to do on any software for most shots. It seems there might be a variety of different clip formats given what we saw with the safety area overlay samples before?

joefavs said:

I’d like to see an MKV with some version of the ANH crawl. I’d have been all over the seamless branching if the DTS-HD hadn’t been the trade off.

The other option is to do a BD50 including the full encodes of both crawl versions, which can then have DTS-HD audio (or to find some way to ‘fix’ the current DTS-HD - they fight with almost every program I throw them at). It would be terribly inefficient, but technically the best presentation. I don’t think it would be worth it, because you would still be limited to 8 audio tracks. I think the best way to go is separate MKVs which can be made into blu-ray via tsmuxer as usual. Very few people are interested in the ANH crawl in general, especially the 1997+ version.

Erikstormtrooper said:

Hey Towne, are you going to release a Blu Ray version of 2.7?

The release will be blu-ray compatible like all of Harmy’s.

But do you mean a dual crawl branching option like last time? Between the complaints about the non-1981 crawl, general lack of enthusiasm for seamless branching (which was actually novel for a homebrew disc [thanks to Williarob], and pretty cool IMO), and complaints about the non-DTS HD audio, it seemed like it wasn’t exactly a big hit.

If there’s demand for it, I might do it again, though, since the project would just need the new video dropped in. Definitely only starting with MKV/AVCHD 1977 releases, though.

joefavs said:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that a despecialized ROTJ would be pretty easy to throw together. Ghost Hayden and Naboo in the celebration montage are the only differences between the 97 and 04 versions that I can come up with.

I believe there are also differences in the Coruscant background during that montage. But yes, I think the main work for putting together the 1997 version would be rotoscoping that shot.

SleepyBear said:

How can I be able to get that without downloading such a torrent with a result of a dead computer? Same for Adywan’s theatrical reconstruction for The Phantom Menace? 😕

It’s on usenet.

SleepyBear said:

Long story. When I tried to download the Star Wars Despecialized Edition at one of the popular torrent sites, it gave my computer a virus.

Did you download the torrent software you used for downloading from that torrent site (through what would actually have been a malicious advertisement rather than a real download)? That’s the only way I could see that happening if it was a popular torrent site. If it was some fly-by-night one that just copies the torrent titles from real sites and makes it so every download is a virus, that’s another story.

Yeah, there’s really no point in continuing on with 720p 1997 versions when almost all the material is relatively conveniently in full HD now.

I use that one as well. Has worked great so far.

It looks like there will be some deleted scenes available in digital format only (included with purchase of the disc) http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/03/first-look-force-awakens-deleted-scenes.html

Yes, it’s possible that you saw a bootleg VHS, which we know have been around since 1978 at least. What years would you have seen this? I imagine most copies didn’t stick around much once they proper (ANH) VHS was released, as it was much higher quality.

I grew up watching the 80s VHS and television versions. I don’t really have memories of the ANH crawl, since it was just not a popular title. We simply called the film Star Wars and ANH simply felt like a chapter title rather than the proper movie title as it was for the sequels. But I’m sure if I found that tape somewhere, if it still exists, it’s ANH. But I was aware of the renaming, as my parents told me about how the crawl appeared originally.

CatBus said:

towne32 said:

We can also use the gallery to show off the subtitles that Catbus made. 😃

Of course, I’ve already made some minor corrections to those files 😉 But what you’ve got is great.

shush! 😃 they’re perfect and cannot be improved and I’m convincing myself of that.