Also, and based on the QC thread many people don’t seem to know this, Harmy is not responsible for producing the audio mixes.
It’s probably the sample itself. A lot of people were complaining about the compression when it was first released.
Blackmagic should purchase your algorithms for use in their software.
They should. But then our luck around here has run out. 😃
You know something? You may be right. Perhaps I can draw out a loan at the bank and get the SW print, then get someone to scan it on my behalf. How much is that one, by the way?
Been on this forum too long. When I see “SW” I immediately think “Star Wars”. I started looking through the list to see if I missed a Star Wars print posted. Took me entirely too long to realize you meant Snow White.
I did exactly the same thing.
I would agree. I liked the film overall, to the point where I personally wouldn’t find doing an edit for myself worth it, but that “In the hands of your father… Han Solo.” felt weird to me even upon my first viewing in the theater. I think cutting the line after “your father” would be wise.
I agree that the line is a bit wonky. And I also don’t tend to want (or want to make) fanedited films for things that I consider nitpicking. It’s going to be weird having a Star Wars film that I watch by taking the pressed disc out of its official packaging and navigate its menu to play. But I’ll still be curious to see what people come up with for more substantial edits.
But as for the Kylo Ren “clunky exposition”, I don’t think it should be cut at all. While it’s not award winning dialogue (most of the Star Wars franchise is not), it’s the first suggestion that he comes from the other side and is not exactly a peer with those he is shown aligned with. Could be smoother but shouldn’t be cut, IMO. It’s easy to think it’s unnecessary when you go into the theater knowing that Ren is probably or definitely Han and Leia’s kid. But for everyone else, it teases his background.
So is an entire reel the ideal sample size?
Looks better IMO! There are some weird pink highlights in a couple place though such as the horizon in the “look sir droids” shot and tantive walls in the third image.
I thought ESB had minor color correction but I might be wrong.
Welcome back. 😃
I’ve got my fingers crossed for Alderaan being in VIII.
With that out of the way, is there some kind of general rule or consensus as when we’re allowed to start discussing actual preservation and/or fan edit attempts on the boards for TFA?
For example I’m interested in making a P&S edit of TFA, would this be clear to discuss after the official release of the film or are we waiting a bit for these topics?
No, there’s not really a consensus or rule as far as I know.
Fan edits: I think, early on, it will probably depend on the details. If you’re making a couple small tweaks to the film in order to have it be your ideal version (deleting the trash compactor joke, for example), you’ll be welcome to discuss your changes here. People are already doing that. But distributing very minor edits like that has always been iffy. Myspleen won’t take it, and fanedit.org won’t recognize it as a fanedit. Including the 6 <1min deleted “scenes” (I suspect they are simply previews of scenes) won’t be recognized as a fanedit or proper extended version, either.
More complete re-workings and re-structurings will take time to master. And by then, a substantially different version of the film will probably be seen as acceptable. But again, there’s nothing to stop you from discussing and planning. And as of next week, I assume people will be sharing preview shots and such. I think it will be quite some time before super minor edits are seen as acceptable for distribution.
Preservations: Less clear, but again it will depend on the details. People will inevitably be working on the analysis and comparison of versions in private. None seems to have already geared up to do that, and he has done a thorough analysis on the other SW films, including the prequels. It will depend on what shows up, I guess. Myspleen is okay with preservations of the HDTV RoTS, which differs from the blu-ray only in three very minor ways, and a nearly undetectable difference in color timing. So, at some point in time even slight changes will be reversed and preserved by someone. But it’s a sensitive issue.
Sounds reasonable to me.
Nope, Frink is 100% right on this matter. The rule is quite clearly about situations exactly like this.
My posts are more of a food for thought type thing. The answer as to when the cams will be acceptable is: definitely not now, but obviously not never. We can probably look to RoTS to see at what point things started to be more acceptable around here. But I suspect that the stigma around the cam will drop fairly rapidly as it’s no threat at all compared to a proper HD blu-ray. But there’s no reason not to play it safe for now.
The most important thing to be vigilant about right now are the constantly appearing ‘I just torrented the blu-ray rip’ posts from various 2016 registrants, though. To be clear: In those cases, no one cares if you’ve preordered anything. If you’re morally okay with it, good for you, but it’s absolutely against the rules and etiquette of this forum to post about crap like that.
I don’t give a shit about that. Piracy threatens the very existance of this place and there ahould be zero tolerance of it.
Geeze get a grip and chill out.
Anyone here who does ‘pirate’ the bootlegs of this film I can guarantee you saw the film at least once in the cinema and plans to buy it on home video, not to mention the fact that ‘piracy’ is an extremely valuable tool for preservations; without piracy we would not have the theatrical copy of Attack of the Clones.Oh no!
Whether you like the film or not, it’s a valid point. When there’s only one source as a record for the theatrical version of a film, it is important source of information. A better example would have been 35mm scans, which are present in Harmy’s versions (and I believe you watch those).
I don’t give a shit about that. Piracy threatens the very existance of this place and there ahould be zero tolerance of it.
I agree and no one should be talking g about blu-ray rips.
But what do you think of the more morally grey area? At what point does a cam become okay to discuss? Surely time is the only difference between that and the other telecines, HDTV recordings, and laserdisc rips that we already use. It’s all unambiguously piracy, technically.
I am not saying we should be utilizing the cam at this point, even for information. We shouldn’t. Just asking the same question I keep asking in this thread, that no one has an answer for.
Your first post in this thread defended someone who attempted to delete his team’s important releases from their major source of distribution as well as stifle any further conversation about them here in their official threads. So please don’t tell me I’m supporting people who are detrimental to the community.
Towne32 you are a long time member and contributor and yet you engage with users that post garbage all the time. Why?
You’re right. I’ll stop engaging with you. 😛
I don’t disagree with you that it should be moved. You just picked a really shitty example to compare it to, with Negative1, in my opinion. I assume you reported the thread two days ago to have it moved?
FFS! The admins ban a team account that produce wonderful restorations yet they allow BS threads like this?
This forum’s great discussions and threads are being totally diluted by off topic Spleen invitations and people asking tech questions out of their correct sections.
If admins are going to be strict on “rules” can you at least be consistent and be strict on all rules!! So tired of this BS…
The ‘team account’ didn’t produce anything. The talented people on the team did. And the entire team is welcome to post here under their real accounts. And some of them do. That also wasn’t a team account, it was an alternate account belonging only to negative1. He has several other accounts here: negative1 and rogue1. No one is being silenced at all.
Maybe this thread should be moved to the technical section since that seems to be what it’s now about. But it definitely has nothing to do with negative1.
Bleep bloops aside, hasn’t it already been determined that the end credits have been extended by a couple minutes for the home release?
Several minutes? How and why would that have happened?
Plus, if we find that there’s literally no difference between the theatrical and BD, as JJ said, no one will ever have an excuse here to utilize or reference anything other than a 100% legal copy. Which simplifies things for us and shows the studios that we’re more than happy to behave if they’re behaving. 😃
The first step of a preservation is to determine what the original contained. Before we can discuss any specific preservation, we have to have the discussion about what, if anything is different.
The alleged change in question is a “bleep bloop”, which I believe is the correct scientific nomenclature.
Hah.
Really, though, I do agree that a thread like this will be useful if changes are actually found out. I’m not sure how it’s different from other ‘method development’ threads in this section such as super resolution or color matching in that sense.
But it’s probably jumping the gun a bit as the blu-ray isn’t out yet. And it’s unclear at what point in time discussion of the cam will be considered fair game. It’s clearly acceptable around here for episodes II and III (as are 1978 bootlegs of the first film), but it’s understandable if we’re a ways off from that still.
I didn’t phrase it all too well, but I was referring to the fact that, not only was he against an extended, revised cut, but additionally the powers that be added time codes to the deleted scenes to prevent anyone else from attempting the same.
Well in that case I think it’s consistent. If indeed they are refusing to do an extended version, it would make sense that they do not want pirated blu-rays competing by offering something they are not willing to do. But I don’t necessarily think that the time codes are strictly for that reason. I’ve seen similar in plenty of DVDs and Blu-rays, just not the previous Star Wars releases. And we’re talking about six or seven 20-50 second clips anyway.
I think one point about not having an extended release on the BD was to avoid doing anything “SE-like” this early on, even if there are of course less problematic ways of doing it (including both versions in the release). It would still bring in a bunch of “George was right! Even JJ is a revisionist!” type nonsense.
Maybe once (if) they’ve released the OOT, they will be more likely to do such things. But personally, I think they are more interested in spacing out all the deleted materials over the next decade in re-releases than they are in creating an extended cut.
Damn. JJ “I won’t change the movie from theater to home release” Abrams better have a good excuse for those deleted scene time codes.
I don’t see how those two things are related.
I read that they didn’t do screener DVDs for TFA to avoid piracy.
Well, as I don’t have that and have absolutely no memory about that specific bleep or bloops, I’m of no use here.
Food for thought, is it possible some cam versions have different audio mixes? Obviously we all know that not every single cam is the same and they’re usually all recorded by different people in different countries, so it may be a possibility that different theatres had differing audio mixes.
I think it’s a spanish cam with audio added in from who knows where.