We honestly don’t need another media / streaming debate in a project thread. Every single one of them has probably been derailed this way, and the pros and cons are probably obvious enough to make it unneccesary. But you can always start another thread to discuss this.
The orange and teal thing was a joke. 😉
May I ask which version is going to tehP?
2.7 after all the comparison galleries and whatnot are made or a later version? I saw mention of it a few pages back.
2.7. Not sure what mention that was of a later version. But it was either misread or miswritten. 😃
What are you using? Premiere? Just demux the mkv using something like tsmuxer. It’ll give you a .264 file that can be imported into premiere.
That’s what he means by res, yes. If you take an 8gb or 22 gb and convert it to a lossless format, of the same resolution and duration, it’ll end up being roughly the same size. Though lagarith is compressed (but lossless) so difference in artifacts and grain from the two sources might have minor effects.
Too far, man! 😄
I wanted to be extra cruel and do the binary sunset, but I’m doing this remotely and just grabbed some 2011 BD shots via Google. 😉
I watch most things via USB HDDs, but I burn those I plan on hanging on to for a long while or watching at someone else’s place. And it serves as another backup copy.
I really hope everyone loves my last minute change in tastes as far as color timing goes. I think it’s really the way the film was meant to look.
I think it’s about 20gb.
Snoke, I have to say, is where the movie proverbially ‘shit the bed’. It’s just not good enough fx to pass as authentic, and really shows up as a CG construct.
I think best would be to first reduce the shots of Snoke to a minimum – making him more of a mystery, as the Emperor in ESB.
Second, if possible, lower the fidelity of the hologram – which I think would mask the low quality of the CGI and make the hologram look more like a hologram in Star Wars should look. Mask off Snoke from the background, lower the resolution of the holo by dividing into artificial scanlines, add noise and possibly interference, give it a blue tint and add that onto a new background that does not have a light shining directly into the camera.
I think the latter is one of the better TFA edit ideas I’ve heard. In his first appearance, I was unsure as to whether or not he was a hologram. But the way they had him fade out at the end of the scene did seem like they were trying to make it a surprise. But it was a bit of a dumb gimmick similar to trying to trick the audience into thinking Padme is a handmaiden.
If they tighten up the CG in the sequels, this idea would definitely help by obscuring the version in TFA. If it’s the same, though, it really doesn’t matter.
Can’t say I have any interest in removing Snoke’s lines at all. Cutting away from him a little more (quicker shots of him) but keeping his dialogue would be okay if it can be done without reusing shots.
I saw a youtube video of that, and I’m almost sure that Frink will do it
“I’ll try spinning that’s a good trick” is almost way too obvious as Vader get’s knocked out of the trench. But it’s also way too glorious to not use. (I haven’t followed that thread of Frink’s, but I’m sure it’s been brought up multiple times).
Edit: Yep, it was done in that youtube video (which is hilarious) https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/37y4ys/darth_vader_with_child_anakins_voice/ but with Anakin’s spin being intentional.
Lol I knew that would fire some people up.
Not really. Too much of a lower effort comment with obvious intention to upset. 😃
I’ll do that at some point once I’ve gotten all the feedback for the main (77) version and get it on myspleen and everything. So probably another week or two at the earliest.
Slight delay. Seems my system doesn’t like when .bat files contain quotes around filenames, so the second VBR pass didn’t run during the day as I hoped. It’s running now, but hopefully it will be able to be uploaded overnight.
Edit: Nope. Pass 2 is much slower in x264. Maybe it’ll get uploaded tomorrow.
Interesting. So this cut could be yet another version we’ve not yet seen.
Edit: also GOUT is not what I would consider a best offering. 😉
Just because it’s crap doesn’t mean it’s not still the best version of Star Wars you can buy!
True. And the only version of “Star Wars”, too.
Yeah. But only a few shots are further despecialized and they’re literally the SSE which would also be in the comparison. It looks more cleaned up in motion, but a still comparison wouldn’t be incredibly useful
Aside from your subs, which I’m now realizing might be what you have in mind. 😃 harmy could switch it up for those like he did for Jedi with puggo. Could swap out the gout and show SSE for those ones.
Edit: also aside from the saber in Ben’s hut. But that’s a prime candidate for comparing to 2.5 IMO.
The other most prevelant and probably noticeable changes throughout are the color, though. And the comparison between 2.5 and 2.6 helped a lot of people understand the point of it. But perhaps we can vary the sources depending on the shot.
Edit: also GOUT is not what I would consider a best offering. 😉
I dunno. GOUT/SSE/2.7/BD might be the most interesting IMO.
Well, I think 2.5 is probably the most essential to include. No need for both gout and SSE IMO. Though a gout vs SSE gallery totally independent of this would be interesting.
The color timing isn’t based on SSE timing, and SSE isn’t a reference color source anyway. I think my suggestion would be in line with harmy’s prior ones, just with 2.5 instead of 1.0.
The saber shot is uncropped compared to 2.5, using the blu-ray as the background. So, it looks like that with adjusted color and the blade from SSE.
Ok, cool! Be sure to post a comparison later on 😉
Harmy said he wants to do the gallery type that he always makes. Not sure what versions will be represented. Maybe GOUT/2.5/2.7/BD?
Castilian Spanish?
Yes, as with 2.6 this has that fixed as well as Ukranian, Russian, Thai, and Navajo. This one also has the new Hindi track. So thanks Catbus, for all of that.
The saber shot is uncropped compared to 2.5, using the blu-ray as the background. So, it looks like that with adjusted color and the blade from SSE.
Oh, in addition to all that stuff I just said, 2.7 is encoded from Harmy’s lossless masters, while 2.6 was encoded from his x264 mkv release.
There were several scenes where I went back to the BD and regarded from scratch to remove yellow tones. These include the cockpit scenes leaving Tatooine and approaching the Death Star.
But you did keep the shots where I removed the extra shake, right?
Everything facing out towards space had great color and was kept, including the shake and Death Star shots (though the latter was slightly desaturated).
I’ve checked every shot based on your gallery and think every despecialization is intact. But hopefully eagle-eyed folks catch anything that isn’t, as was the case with that Chewie shot last time. Had to spot the two laser blasts myself, though!
Well, hopefully it will be online by the end of the night. So some of you guys might actually be watching it tomorrow, depending on time zone. 😛
First of all, there are 3 fairly large updates. I replaced Harmy’s “A Long Time Ago” card with TN1’s after cleaning and stabilizing it, and then adjusting the color and positioning based on Mike Verta’s sample. Darth Lucas rotoscoped the lightsaber in Ben’s hut with the one from the SSE, using the color adjust BD shot as background. It looks great! Catbus produced new Greedo subtitles based on the SSE that look very nice as well. Following Harmy’s advice, I put a bit less gate weave on the subs compared to his release.
I fixed a few goof-ups from 2.6. I had a few 1997 shots that were technically specialized: the matte painting when Chewie is in cuffs and two blaster shots in the “look out he’s loose” battle.
I messed up the wipe to Ben’s hut in 2.6, if you look closely. That’s fixed.
During the Mos Eisley entrance scene, I screwed up and accidentally had several shots from Harmy’s 2.0, meaning they contained GOUT elements instead of 35mm. Fixed and graded the correct shots.
Also regraded the beginning of that scene including the initial speeder shot and 35mm TN1 sequence, as they were sepia/saturated before. Some other slight tweaks during the rest of the scene.
There have been color changes throughout the film. Mostly small changes for a bit of consistency here and there, but some larger changes. Mostly, to remove overly green tints from certain Death Star shots, as well as a few Tatooine shots.
Off the top of my head, some of the de-greened shots are: C3PO looking up before the Tantive is taken up (it was mismatched to the previous shot of him). R2’s canyon sequence has been given a more uniform brownish red compared to the varying levels of green from before. The yellow has been toned down in the shots where Luke and 3PO catch up with R2 before the raider attack. The closeups of R2 in his rockless cave have been slightly degreened, as have the two long shots of Ben approaching. The following scene with the force choke had some green removed from the walls, as did various other scenes in this room with Tarkin.
Color adjusted the ‘check every part of the ship’ sequence to remove some green, I think. Reduced green in the control room walls/door as Luke/han leave (hope they don’t have blasters shot). The shot of Vader in the halls that Harmy darkened has reduced green in the shadows. Reduced green when the stormtroopers explode through a wall (“get behind me”). There were a few shots of Tarkin during the battle of Yavin where his skin was overly yellow, those were fixed. There are probably several more instances.
There were several scenes where I went back to the BD and regarded from scratch to remove yellow tones. These include the cockpit scenes leaving Tatooine and approaching the Death Star. As well as the scene where Han loads up his reward and argues with Luke (and the shot of Tarkin immediately before that).
Other small color things, again off the top of my head:
De-blued scene before the droids enter the pod. I kind of messed this up last time.
Desaturated a few shots of R2 before and during the droid sale.
Tweaked one shot during dinner with uncle and aunt for consistency with the only other shot from the same angle.
Tweaked a few shots inside Ben’s hut for slightly more consistency.
Slightly brightened the shot of the droids standing around the Sandcrawler as ben and luke talk about blaster accuracy.
Slight desaturation as ben leaves the tractor beam room and as the gang runs in the following shot.
Changed the color of the following scene as Han runs into the storm troopers (and before and after) to remove some strong and varying tints. Reduced the very strong saturation in one early shot in the bridge scene.
Reduced black levels in the 35mm ‘falcon peeling off’ shot at the end, as they were quite bright.
Added a post-credits thanks sequence, as Harmy does.
Edit: and upgraded to project threepio 9.1 subtitles, and included a Hindi dub.
I’ve gotten the final shot from Darth Lucas and rendered the lossless master. The final 264 is rendering during the day today and then I’ll mux the final mkv tonight. So, if anyone wants to look at it early to make sure everything is okay, post here and I’ll get you the mkv before it goes onto the spleen.
Right. If you’re going to be using these as a source for anything, use the 22gb versions and not the highly compressed 8gb one, because the lagarith encode will be roughly the same size.
If you’re only making a few small edits and have a decent machine, you can import the 264 streams from KK650’s release directly into editing software like Adobe’s. If you’re going to do something that has hundreds of cuts, different sources, and lots of effects applied, things will get bogged down and you’ll probably want to go the lossless route.
It sounds like he wants to clean the scratches and dirt from the trailer.