Thanks for sharing the HDTV II on myspleen. Would definitely be interested in the other SkyHD caps of the other films, though I realize they might need to be shared via a non-spleen method.
There’s like 150 seeders, so that’s on your end. Too bad about the accidental deletion. Was it that slow last time?
They probably just wanted to make sure greedo was visible to people who didn’t have their monitors/phones set excessively bright. Otherwise you might not be able to see the train wreck that is the blu-ray still.
Not technically true.
That was what I thought. Sounds like a ‘grappling hook’ esque imagined change. I thought I remembered trying to listen up to what she might be saying, only to realize that we’re not supposed to hear anything.
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Ugh.
There is another change reported on the German Cinefacts forum:
0:58:11 - 0:58:14
In the theatrical version, the woman (First Order spy) is talking audibly to the large alien. In the BluRay version, she is shown talking, but you can’t hear what she is saying.
Is this supposed to be a change that’s specific to the German dub?
I don’t recall hearing her in either version of the English dub, but I could be wrong.
edit: another?
I suppose I could try again if an ISO file of version 2.7 becomes available. For the most part, I just use Power2Go. For Despecialized 2.7, I had to use ImgBrn.
Hmm. Are you glossing over the tsmuxer (or other remuxing) step or have you actually been talking about the AVCHD? If the latter, it is still coming directly from 2.5. However, I assume of course that you are comparing 2.5 AVCHD to 2.7 AVCHD and not doing something silly like comparing the mkv of one to the AVCHD of the other. 😃
I am comparing the AVCHDs
I see. Well it is indeed lossy audio, then. But it should still of course be the same between 2.5 and 2.7 unless something in your process re-encoded.
Actually, the mono track is almost or entirely from a single source–an OTA TV broadcast. I think h_h modified the Fox fanfare at some point, but that’s it. The mono track hasn’t been changed at all in a very long time–I’d be very surprised if the 2.7 track wasn’t bit-identical to the 2.5 track. I tried an ill-advised attempt to merge with non-Dolby 35mm captures at some point, but it thankfully never made it into this project. My only guess is that maybe you’re hearing the lossy core of the lossless track this time, due to a DTS-MA decoder issue in the playback software.
Interesting. When I first listened to the mono track, I assumed what I was interpreting as seams in the audio was due to how they actually dubbed Beru’s lines. But later, a comment I read on the forum made me think it was just the reconstruction of the track. Guess I was wrong!
I suppose I could try again if an ISO file of version 2.7 becomes available. For the most part, I just use Power2Go. For Despecialized 2.7, I had to use ImgBrn.
Hmm. Are you glossing over the tsmuxer (or other remuxing) step or have you actually been talking about the AVCHD? If the latter, it is still coming directly from 2.5. However, I assume of course that you are comparing 2.5 AVCHD to 2.7 AVCHD and not doing something silly like comparing the mkv of one to the AVCHD of the other. 😃
Not sure what to tell you then. It’s the exact same tracks without re-encoding anything, muxed directly from the 2.5 mkv. If there’s a difference, I’m not sure what would account for it.
I’m not an expert on the audio at all. But, I think the mono track is even more of a reconstruction than the others. For the parts that are unique to the mono, you can hear a difference in quality, though I’m not sure if the scene you bring up has anything affected. In general, people are very happy with the 5.1 and stereo tracks, I think.
Just finished burning and watching Star Wars Despecialized v2.7, and…well, I’m not trying to sound mean or nitpicky, but I had a few issues where some sound effects were drowned out. The static sound when Princess Leia’s message repeats as well as some laser fire and explosions were mute for example, and on the mono audio track I could barely hear Luke’s lightsaber during the training scene on the Falcon.
It may have been my fault when burning the BDMV copy to a disc. Is anyone else having this issue?
Well, this is the Return of the Jedi thread. But, aside from that, Harmy does not do the audio side of things (nor do I). The audio tracks actually haven’t been changed in years. So general audio questions might be better suited for hairy_hen’s thread, since these are his tracks. But the other thing is that you didn’t mention which of the many audio tracks you’re trying (aside from the note about the mono track, which I think hairy_hen has yet another thread for). Is it the first track? That’s 5.1 audio, are you using a 5.1 system? How does the second track, which is stereo, sound?
Subtitle the sandpeople to make the whole scuffle with Luke a big misunderstanding.
Um…
Sorry didn’t mean to rip anyone off lol. I don’t read through the ridiculous threads unless I have an idea and even then I usually just read the last couple posts before mine.
But hey great minds think alike. Frink should definitely do it now since two people separately thought it was a funny notion :p
Well, it’s funny that in a 25 page thread it was just a few posts before yours. 😛
towne32 said:
I realize how hypocritical it is to say that I think we all obsess a little too much about the color. That’s not to say that all of the projects relating to it aren’t great and worthwhile. But there will always be room for improvement, and it’s worth asking ourselves whether we’ll always be too critical to enjoy the films.Personally I look at it a little differently. I don’t mind that much, if an official release has a somewhat different grading than the theatrical release. To a certain extend it’s inevitable given the limitations of the color space used. What’s more important to me is, that it’s a good color grading, that is “faithful” to the era, with natural skin tones, and a nice color dynamic. If that’s the case, I will enjoy the release just fine.
Of course I’m still curious, what the original film looked like. It’s interesting to discuss, and to try to come up with ways to estimate what the colors should be.
Yes, well said.
Yeah, that’s the other reason I’m not doing those two. They’re still watchable to me, whereas the first currently is not.
Towne32 has said before that he likes the colors of empire and Jedi and thinks their damn near perfect so I doubt he’d be jumping to cc them.
That’s the tldr of my last post, yep. 😃 Empire is fantastic, Jedi looks good enough that it’s better than SW 2.7 and my mucking about would have more negative effects than positive. 😃
Just had a chance to check out the new v2.7 and it is a BIG improvement on v2.5 colourwise. Some of the fleshtones in certain scenes are still too red for my liking but the overall improvement is pretty staggering. Great job towne32!
Do you have any plans to work on The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi Despecialized Editions?
Thanks KK.
Regarding the other two films: I think the color on ESB 2.0 is my favorite color grading of any version of a Star Wars film available to the public. Could use a few tweaks, like in the 97SE footage, but I really hope 2.5 and 3.0 stay extremely close to 2.0. Part of the motivation to do what became 2.7 was to get a version that’s a little more natural looking, and less experimental, to round out the Trilogy next to the very impressive ESB 2.0. I’m relatively indifferent to the “controversy” of whether the earlier Hoth shots should be bluer or whiter, and I’ll settle for anything that’s not crazy. I’m also fairly open minded about the interior Cloud City shots, where no one seems to know if they should be warm or cool. If an answer ever comes about, then so be it.
In Jedi, there are a couple things I toyed around with changing, as I had done some grading of the BD previously. But in looking at 2.5, I found that I preferred the vast majority of scenes to any other versions available. Sometimes the 35mm needs to compromise with the surrounding BD footage, making them compatible with neither being perfect. I think the early Sarlacc scene desert shots are a little bit green, but other sources are way too blue there. I think the only way I would consider working on Jedi for would be if another Rancor 35mm source became available that could replace the deep dark blue shots with ones that match the rest of the scene. That’s the main thing the film could use.
I realize how hypocritical it is to say that I think we all obsess a little too much about the color. That’s not to say that all of the projects relating to it aren’t great and worthwhile. But there will always be room for improvement, and it’s worth asking ourselves whether we’ll always be too critical to enjoy the films.
Aren’t all the contributors listed in the first post still? I think he can just check there to see who all gave a little bit.
Not all of them. But as others have said, this isn’t a reward posting, it’s for assistance. 😃
This was a project that was altering Harmy’s alteration of You_too’s alteration of Lucas’s butchering. So, there were limitations aside from my own low skill level. But thanks for watching and I’m glad you enjoyed it!
Jedi Rocks, by far. I could forgive the Hayden ghost because at the time I thought my memory was playing tricks on me, but Jedi Rocks - no, that’s just - that’s too much.
Wait… What? How could you think that an adult Hayden Christensen was originally in a movie made when he was 2 years old? Unless I’m missing something here…
I’ve heard a couple people say this now. Someone else assumed that it was not actually the same actor, but that they made Hayden look the part in III.
Man, that would’ve been confusing in 1983. I mean, people would probably eventually figure it out (some people [children?] didn’t even make sense of Shaw right away), but still.
Well, none of that is really relevant here, since there’s not even a menu. Let alone BD-J. It’s possible that some players could glitch up if they don’t see the folder, but I haven’t seen it happen (for BD-Rs at least). With the constant updating of BD firmware, I’d be surprised if it’s an issue, but yeah, in theory it could only help compatibility by including an empty folder.
@Sluggo
That’s what I did, I just copied the folder named: “CERTIFICATE” from my v2.5
I was just thinking maybe there’s a reason this folder is in every version
I’ve seen, even though it appears empty.
It worked fine, and was still working last night! LOL
I think the reason for it is that if it was an official, encrypted disc, there would be something important there.
Do I need a certificate file to burn the bdmv folder in imgburn?
I had that question awhile back, I just added the Certificate Folder from 2.5
as it was empty anyhow, I think I was told it didn’t matter, but I wanted to be sure.
Either way it worked fine for the 2.6 AVCHD.Edit: Gratzs Towne! You made alot of folks Happy! 😃
So if the folder was empty, I could just add an empty folder as long as it had the proper name?
Yeah, I think so. Sometimes winrar doesn’t bother including empty folders, I guess. I think you might not even need the folder burned.
Here is a sample from Empire, raw scan, then a pass with just a quick colour balance done in Nucoda to see if the print is worth using, then a dustbust and ny deflicker/denoise routine as a test.
Obviously he colour still needs a ton of work, I am mainly just checking that the print was worth pursuing. Also no damage repair, hair removal, emulsion scratch removal etc. has been done, this is just a rough pass, so keep that in mind.
Another extremely impressive example. An intense action scene in what I believe you said is the most beat up print of the three OT films. Looks like the dustbusting takes it a long way. If getting to this stage in the cleanup is mostly automated, do you think you can get the OT looking this nice before your licenses expire? There would still be plenty of remaining work, of course, but it’s still an impressive stage to be at.