towne32

Indeed.

I’m not sure why you’re seeing these duplicated frames at all, especially in the 24p sourced material. There should not be any of this a and b or b and c duplication business. What software are you using, and what are your project settings (primarily, your frame rate?).

Using h264 and other compressed sources, I have sometimes had Adobe start to do what you describe, where it fails to render properly synchronized previews of compressed files that are actually synced correctly. It’s rare, but closing and reopening the software took care of it. I saw it more when dealing with that ET special edition thing I was doing, using someone’s TS file.

But between the duplicated frame talk, and that this seems wide spread for all 3 despecialized films makes me think something is wrong in your project file. There are surely some shots that aren’t perfect GOUT sync that slip through here and there. Harder to catch when they end up being balanced out by another nearby shot being one frame longer or shorter. But this sounds… worse.

Blackout said:
Many of the issues I’ve come across with the DeEd seem to be that in places where the Blu-ray and the GOUT would duplicate a frame, the DeEd often duplicates that same frame a frame later than the Blu-ray and the GOUT.

Not to doubt your general comments on the issue. But what you’re describing sounds characteristic of issues that can occur with video editing software, especially reading compressed video sources. Are you seeing frames duplicated that should not be, in all of the sources? (can’t look at all of your new comparisons at the moment).

Last we heard, Mike is still trying to schedule such a meeting. As for interaction between him and NTN1, I think it’s safe to say that they’re not the closest of pals.

Swazzy said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4caGtkt0fQ

I’m assuming this will have a dedicated thread in a short while, but boy is it exciting.

Looks great. Very nice color as well. And who better to depict that than our go-to rosy cheeked favorite soldier?

Cedric T Sealion said:

towne32 said:

Officially endorsed by Harmy as 2.7, and distributed him. Rendered by me.

Thank you for clarifying. Why is v2.5 the one which is still widely available?

2.7 is pretty widely available. It’s available on myspleen, tehparadox, following the directions on Harmy’s facebook page, etc. I don’t know if it’s on public trackers, since such postings are never the work of the people around here and typically happen pretty long after initial release.

fmalover said:

Hope Neverar reads this.

I’m sure it will be quite a very long time before he gets to RoTJ, assuming he doesn’t get burnt out by then. But I’ve seen about half of ANH with his grading, and I can say it’s very impressive that he got the color looking like he did. It looks like something that would be created with look up tables from one of the fancy Dre type apps using print scans to match it to, but as far as I know he just used manual color adjustment. I’m sure he can work wonders for Jedi as well, if he did so well with the bigger abomination of the 2011 ANH.

Officially endorsed by Harmy as 2.7, and distributed him. Rendered by me.

Blackout said:

I’ve managed to upload the full movie to YouTube: https://youtu.be/_H5hfAzE-iI

There’s no telling how long it will be up, maybe weeks from now, days from now, or even only minutes from now, or maybe we’ll get lucky for it to be left up indefinitely, though I doubt that. Enjoy while you still can!

Somehow, they had the SSE up there for months. I think it might finally be down, though.

Blackout said:

Here’s a comparison video of the Battle of Yavin between the DeEd, SSE, GOUT, and Blu-ray: https://youtu.be/hXVVwcMJCk8

I’ll try to have an ESB comparison up very soon and an ROTJ one either later today or tomorrow.

Looks like your footage stops too early for 3/4 of it.

This is one chunk of the film that I definitely like the SSE color for most shots, and for which I didn’t touch Harmy’s Technicolor look much at all. Though I personally prefer the more grey look of the Death Star (whether that’s the eastman look or the home video look or whatever it is, it’s what I’m used to), this seems to have been what Harmy was going for and to try to reverse it in all of the hundreds of quick individual shots would have been a disaster. (In fact, it was, I tried it! And I was terribly inconsistent).

Moth3r said:

towne32 said:

FrankT said:

Well if it’s an upscale, what’s the point?

Less compression and no MPEG2 artifacts. Lossless audio. Night of the Doctor (the only other televised 8th Doctor appearance). That’s about it. Probably not worth a rebuy for most, but a better product than the DVD.

Is the Blu-ray video encoded as clean progressive frames, no interlacing or field-blending?

I believe it’s the same as the PAL DVD master.

Because 25 fps is not a blu-ray standard (and they for some reason wanted to present it at 25), it’s 50i, which of course is a blu-ray standard. They most likely did what they did for Spearhead, “‘Spearhead’ was originally shot and edited at 25fps, as befits a UK television production, so was remastered at 25 progressive frames per second, or 25P as it is known colloquially. However, the Blu-ray standard doesn’t include 25P, so it is presented on Blu-ray at 50i (50 interlaced fields per second), which is the norm for this sort of material. As both fields originate from the same point in time (ie the same film frame), there is no real difference between 50i and 25P in this case.”

I haven’t read this whole thread. But I’m aware that some have claimed that there’s frame blending on every version released so far. Do we actually know this to be the case for the PAL SE DVD? Given that it’s simply a sped up version of the 24 fps film, it doesn’t need any frame blending (which is not to say they haven’t screwed with it anyway). The NTSC DVD of course is afflicted.

I’d be happy to check against an example frame from the PAL DVD if you have a time stamp and screenshot as example.

For what it’s worth, the SEI VUI fix doesn’t do it for every player. I believe it still has an issue on my PS4, but not my PS3 or other player.

Presumably when you say the disc has an issue, you don’t mean the disc in VLC (vs. the mounted ISO in VLC being fine)?

FrankT said:

Well if it’s an upscale, what’s the point?

Less compression and no MPEG2 artifacts. Lossless audio. Night of the Doctor (the only other televised 8th Doctor appearance). That’s about it. Probably not worth a rebuy for most, but a better product than the DVD.

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In fact, it is usually against the rules to keep creating new accounts on trackers, and can often get you banned. Not sure why you thought creating 3+ accounts was a good idea.

A Layer Break is the point at which you switch from the first layer of the disc (the first ~24GB) to the second. It isn’t usually a huge issue with blu-rays, since the players buffer so much video ahead of where you’re currently viewing. It’s a much bigger issue for dual layer DVDs. But to answer your question, it would be related to the burning procedure (software, settings) and to some degree the player. Not sure if the media itself can affect this, unless the player is struggling to read it and not buffering properly?

It’s worth getting decent discs at some point anyway. Blu-rays, unlike DVDs and CDs, have an extremely thin plastic surface to read through before hitting the data layer ( http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/blu-ray-6.gif ), meaning that a tiny, shallow scratch can hit the data. Official discs have very good protective, anti-scratch coating on the surface for this reason. Verbatim discs have a different, but still very good, anti scratch protection. I don’t know if other brands copy the technique or use their own, but I’d be wary to trust a cheap brand.

ray_afraid said:

I think we’ve seen enough of it and know enough about his sources and his methods to say that this is the best restoration of Star Wars anywhere.
After watching his videos, I don’t see how anybody could even argue that.

I think the main reason is that it doesn’t have any competition. Reliance and TN1 (as great as it is, it’s not really in the same tier from what we’ve seen).

It was a telecine, right?

I’ve only used Verbatim and had no issues. Have you tried the discs in more than one player? Could be a combination of bad discs and less than ideal player.

Shalashaska said:

Honestly though, it’s pretty damn easy and inexpensive to get them off Usenet. If I could get all nine films, you certainly can.

I agree, though I’m not discouraging anyone from sharing them another way, of course! It’s not clear that myspleen will permit it, but they might. Once we get to the point where these are no longer on usenet I’ll probably get more involved in making sure they’re preserved.

As for the question of which software I used, SAB is the answer. Haven’t had any issues with it killing my computer or anything.

FrankT said:

I can’t be doing with this usenet thing, it drains my computer processing power massively.

It certainly shouldn’t. It’s basically a protocol from the 1980s. If those computers could handle it, yours can. 😛

Is it just extremely fast downloading that is draining your resources? It certainly maxes out the internet connections I’ve tried it on more than other download sources. Try setting a download cap or just using a different program. Are you using SABnzbd?

TV’s Frink said:

clutchins said:

Also, are the skin tones correct?

ALLOL

A lovely laugh out loud?

Now there are two of us

continuing this conversation for some reason.

That was my first guess!

TV’s Frink said:

I also read the OP.

It’s hard to tell how many layers there are to your sarcasm at times. Didn’t know if you were refusing to acknowledge the issues with the skin tones, or actually addressing the lack of discussion about them. I still don’t know.

Anyway, it was presumably referring to the sunburnt skin tones of the TPM blu-ray. The tones look fine in the DVD, as far as I know.

yotsuya said:

TV’s Frink said:

I see a bunch of answers, but none address the skin tones…

Because seriously that’s long been my main complaint about the PT.

What about the skin tones? My goal is to make all 7 movies match, so what would I need to specifically address to fix it in the PT?

I assume he’s being sarcastic. Frink doesn’t care much for discussion of color timing, nor the more subtle PT issues rather than the glaring ones.