towne32

CatBus said:

towne32 said:

Somewhere early. It’s only off by a frame, so it makes sense that you would have not noticed it. It can be remuxed with a sync offset to fix.

Actually the frame difference between PAL and NTSC GOUT is at around 1:44:24, so the reason nobody notices it is that it’s a one-frame difference, it affects only a small section of the film, and that section has very little dialogue (which is the easiest way to spot small sync problems). Muxing the audio one frame off would actually make sync worse for most of the film, and you’d be more likely to notice it.

Are you discussing SW or ESB? I was referring to ESB, and the time stamp you’ve stated sounds more like the SW imperfection as of 2.5 (fixed in 2.7), but I don’t recall the exact point off the top of my head.

My understanding (and seemingly everyone else’s at the time) was that ESB was off by a frame very early on.

Density said:

towne32 said:

Somewhere early. It’s only off by a frame, so it makes sense that you would have not noticed it. It can be remuxed with a sync offset to fix.

Any instructions on how to do so? I mean obviously it’s so small that I never noticed it before and probably never could, but simply knowing it’s there now is going to bother my mildly OCD brain regardless.

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/725222

Feallan said:

For ESB, just add 42ms delay in Mkvmerge for all audio tracks.

dahmage said:

TV’s Frink said:

That’s it, I’m throwing my entire set in the trash.

what about your dad’s set?

Now there are two of them.

Somewhere early. It’s only off by a frame, so it makes sense that you would have not noticed it. It can be remuxed with a sync offset to fix.

jedimasterobiwan said:

So who seems to have nail the right color for a new hope that doesn’t conflicted other colors in the film like in tantave scene the inside of the ship getting the right colors without messing with the storm troopers color vader’s color and c3po’s and r2 d2’s color etc. this or Neverar?

As far as I know, it is the goal of no one to produce some sort of color continuity saga. The goal is to get them looking like they’re supposed to, not to make them match. There is no reason to do that. Films are graded and not necessarily in life-like or consistent ways. Colors across different films do not “conflict” with one another. R2 is a different color in different films because R2 is literally a different color.

Honestly, if you want consistent grading the best bet is probably to just grab the 2011 blu-rays which have a very similar terrible blue cast on 4 of the 6 films. No one here has ever expressed interest in such a thing, as far as I know. And if they did, they would never dream of trying to get them to match the prequels.

jedimasterobiwan said:

UnitéD2 said:

Oh, I understand, you confused me with “jedimasterobiwan” ! 😄

Wow am i really that bad of a person excuse me for living

You came into this thread and acted like people were attacking you when they were leaving you alone. No matter what people do, you accuse them of being jerks. Please just try to calm down and be reasonable when you use the forum.

Density said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

Dek Rollins said:

Dreamaster said:

NO Dr. Dre… please for the love of God go back to this one!

DrDre said:

Here’s the complete set of warmer regrades:

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THIS!

DrDre, the video sample you posted is not nearly as good looking as those previous screenshots. The “final grading” feels way too orange/pink overall, and removes the slight mint-green feel that I think is almost essential.

Ha ha you all think your really cute. You must think your really Superior huh. Here i am just asking a simple question and all you do is criticize me. your horrible star wars fans treating other fans like that what did i ever do to you guys sorry for living sheesh jerks.

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No one criticized you at all. Go take your pills.

They hadn’t even responded to him, let alone criticized him.

I can respond to it, though. It’s not a very good idea and Star Wars should not be made to match the prequels.

That’s approximately the size of Harmy’s original file. Does the checksum match? I know people have remuxed his ESB 2.0 to fix the fact that it was a frame or so off sync, so that’s another reason the checksum might not match…

It’s there as an ISO. Negative1 threw a tantrum at one point and had the MKV deleted.

TV’s Frink said:

I want Harmy to come to my house and tell me what he did as it plays on the screen.

I want Harmy to come to my Dad’s birthday party.

corellian77 said:

What an awesome first post.

It’s edited. Was probably Markdown syndrome/syntax.

Ronster said:

I am trying to be helpful not hinder I am not asking for anything from anyone of you just showing you something.

So make a thread in the fanedits section about what you personally want to fix. These types of edits tend to go by names such as “semi specialized” around here.

It’s not the goal of this, or any other, preservation, as it goes against the definition (see my last post) of preservation. Arguing for the sake of making “fixes” to a preservation in this particular thread goes against the goal of the project as well as the reason this site came into existence in the first place. As such, you shouldn’t be surprised at the response you’re getting. Though you can argue all you want in your own thread for your project, once you have started that thread.

Ronster said:

I’d like to re-define what preservation is but they won’t have it.

As in literally redefine the word preserve?

pre·serve
prəˈzərv/
verb

maintain (something) in its original or existing state.

What is the new definition? I’m not saying there is anything wrong with fixing things in movies. There are communities dedicated to that, and our community has tight connections with all of that. But what Harmy said is correct, it has no place in a preservation.

The Revisited type project is definitely where this kind of thing belongs, and probably embraces it with open arms. Apples and oranges, really!

Molly said:

You ain’t whistling Dixie. When I started out, even the idea of an amateur scan of a 35 in 272i would have been laughable.

It was just a few years ago that people here relentlessly ridiculed the very idea of a 35mm scan.

Usenet or myspleen. 265 and 10 bit are probably quite the exception rather than rule for these very old LD and SDTV rips.

I think a script or at least notes is a good idea. Normal commentaries don’t cover every detail, you just need to prioritize things. It’s okay to talk about things ahead of when they happen on screen, sometimes, or continue on after the fact.

Having a second person who is knowledgeable kind of moderate and move things along often works well, but not sure if it would help in this case.

Blackout said:

Here’s a comparison video of the non-DNR clip Williarob posted with the both the SSE and DeEd: https://youtu.be/NN59EkcGtQk
There is one instance where it goes out of sync(presumably due to missing frame(s)), but it’s quickly corrected soon after.

If anyone is interested, I can upload and link the raw video file here for download for viewing without YouTube compression degrading the quality.

Presumably you’ve fixed your synchronization issues now if you’re discussing sync again?

Yes, I’d definitely be interested in that someday. He’s become quite adept at recording material compared to earlier on. Always interesting and entertaining.

I think it reads that way because there aren’t any supporting arguments for it. Unless you count the weirded out thing. But I could be weirded out by fewer commentary tracks compared to SW and suggest we record a commentary track.

Wait, that’s actually a way better idea.

Swift S. Lawliet said:

Just checked, I just knew by now that Return of the Pug hasn’t been released yet.

When Return of the Pug is released, I think we should add the mono sound from that version.

Just so the Original Trilogy is finally complete in mono.

One of the main reasons I want a mono mix for ROTJ is because I was weirded out by the fact that SW and TESB both have mono mixes while ROTJ doesn’t.

I think this mono mix should be included for 3.0 but maybe we can also add an optional MKA pack if we get Return of the Pug before 3.0.

It just seems like you’re not reading the responses you get. Want mono? Downmix it to mono. Bam, mono. SW and ESB have unique mixes in mono, that’s the reason they’re preserved. If you’re “weirded out”, I’m not sure you’re understanding properly.

When the mono audio comes out, you can certainly take the time to compare each line to the stereo mix. If you find anything that’s different, I’m sure the community would be thrilled to hear from you about it. As far as I know, that might be a waste of time as they’re expected to be identical in content.

Videos encoded by different methods can glitch out in different ways. For instance, I’ve tried doing comparisons using DeEd 1.0, and there are certain segments that will just show looped sets of frames, strangely.

Probably best to hold off on sync comparisons until things are working properly in a given timeline if the correct speed, though. Not sure how your software is handling the conversion to 30p…

If you want to eliminate the problem completely, render the files you’re comparing into a lossless format. Adobe will play nicely then.

Indeed.

I’m not sure why you’re seeing these duplicated frames at all, especially in the 24p sourced material. There should not be any of this a and b or b and c duplication business. What software are you using, and what are your project settings (primarily, your frame rate?).

Using h264 and other compressed sources, I have sometimes had Adobe start to do what you describe, where it fails to render properly synchronized previews of compressed files that are actually synced correctly. It’s rare, but closing and reopening the software took care of it. I saw it more when dealing with that ET special edition thing I was doing, using someone’s TS file.

But between the duplicated frame talk, and that this seems wide spread for all 3 despecialized films makes me think something is wrong in your project file. There are surely some shots that aren’t perfect GOUT sync that slip through here and there. Harder to catch when they end up being balanced out by another nearby shot being one frame longer or shorter. But this sounds… worse.

Blackout said:
Many of the issues I’ve come across with the DeEd seem to be that in places where the Blu-ray and the GOUT would duplicate a frame, the DeEd often duplicates that same frame a frame later than the Blu-ray and the GOUT.

Not to doubt your general comments on the issue. But what you’re describing sounds characteristic of issues that can occur with video editing software, especially reading compressed video sources. Are you seeing frames duplicated that should not be, in all of the sources? (can’t look at all of your new comparisons at the moment).

Last we heard, Mike is still trying to schedule such a meeting. As for interaction between him and NTN1, I think it’s safe to say that they’re not the closest of pals.